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18
Mar
2012
Have You Ever Pretended To Be A Christian
(The events described herein occured in 1992. I was 21 back then... it's amazing how much my life has changed in the past 20 years.)
Have You Ever Pretended To Be A Christian?
Yes, I have.
I was a Christian when I was really young. Well, at least my parents said I was. After leaving a small and quaint farmer’s Presbyterian Church outside of Omaha, Nebraska, I began to explore Christianity on my own away from my parents. Between the sixth and seventh grade I attended several different Sunday schools in Bellevue, Nebraska. I finally settled on one and caught a Sunday school bus every Sunday and took it to the school gym at Logan Fontanelle Junior High School. I participated in the programs and songs and I did all the silly activities.
It was later in my life that I realized that I was not really a Christian that summer. I was pretending and “searching.” I was attending Sunday school and playing along in order to fit in with a theistic society in order to avoid retaliation. I was doing it because everyone else was.
I played along and searched on my own not just because of religious peer pressure, but also because I honestly thought something was wrong with me. All my family and friends and neighbors were Christians. Christian churches were everywhere and religious events and programs were all over television. So why did I have a hard time getting it? Why was I so skeptical? There had to be something wrong with me that was preventing me from getting it.
In my late teens and early twenties, I began to understand my atheism better and I learned not to be afraid of retaliation and more importantly, I began to understand why I was different. I learned that there was nothing wrong with me – that I was actually the rational one. In hindsight it is clear as to why I had such a hard time accepting Christianity and religion in general: my love of science.
When I was stationed in Italy, I met my ex-wife through a mutual friend. My friend thought I needed to go to church, but he knew I was an atheist. He convinced me to go by saying that he and a bunch of friends were meeting at his house and wanted to know if I would like to meet his friends. He never told me it was a church. After I realized what was going on, I told my friend that I would never go back. I was disappointed in him for deceiving me. However, there was this woman there and I wanted to see her again. So I kept going back just to see her. I knew that her parents were fundamentalists and that they had gone beyond religious to being radical (borderline occult). This was going to be a challenge.
In order to see her again and gain the trust of her parents, I had to pretend to be a Christian – and not just a regular Christian – a fundamentalist Christian. It was actually easy to play the role, and I even considered it a little fun sometimes. I allowed her parents to baptize me in their bathtub and later in the Mediterranean for their benefit. I was convincing enough as a fundamentalist Christian that they allowed me to move in with them and become part of their family. Ultimately they allowed me to marry that woman I met at the in-house church at my friend’s.
We had to get married in Italy first so that we would be married “in the eyes of God” before we flew to the states to get legally married. The idea of being married “in the eyes of God” was to avoid pre-marital sex (too late). We got married in La Maddalena, Sardinia, Italy: it was a very religious ceremony and the military chaplain was a bumbling idiot (he had protested our marriage, but ultimately gave in). My ex-wife and I ignored everything around us and just stared at each other’s eyes. I was doing such a good job of ignoring the chaplain that he had to ask me twice to “repeat after me.” I had toned him out completely.
After we were married “in the eyes of God” for her parent’s benefit it was time to take the mask off. It felt so good to take it off! We got on the ferry to Palau and I lit up a cigarette, bought a drink at the bar with my Navy friends, and started cussing up a storm (like a sailor should)! Her parents were in shock. Admittedly felt good to see their reaction. I often think back and realize that because of their sincere beliefs, the event was likely very traumatic for them. I felt a tiny bit guilty for doing it, but it was something that needed to be done for my own sanity and my ex-wife’s.
Like my friend had deceived me, I had deceived everyone in the in-home church. I felt guilty about it, but I felt that the deceit was necessary in order to get my ex-wife out of the religiously abusive environment she was living in. I had to pretend to be a fundamentalist in order to save her from her parent’s physical and mental abuse.
The funny part is that my ex-wife did not know I was pretending. She knew that I was not as religious as I was pretending to be, but she did not know that I was an atheist. She thought she was going into another religious house: just not as strict and a lot more loving. When she learned I was an atheist, she was so relieved and confided in me that she no longer believed. The look of relief on her face made every bit of the acting and pretending worth it – to know that she no longer feared physical and mental abuse at the hands of religious zealots.
I knew my ex-wife was questioning and doubting, and that is one of the reasons that I continued to go out with her. If she had been as religiously nutty as her parents I would have lost interest quickly. My ex-wife was questioning her parent’s Christian fundamentalism and the way they were raising her. I was so relieved to learn that she was an atheist as well. She was an emotional atheist (no knowledge of any of the arguments for/against the gods – just a basic lack of belief in gods) for a long time. She ultimately crossed the bridge into logical atheism (knowledge of the arguments and ability to refute religionists) as she walked around the world without religious blindfolds and began to understand how things really worked. She was free of her religious bondage and able to truly explore and appreciate the world for what it was.
I have to admit that I had fun pretending to be a Christian fundamentalist. It was a lot of work, though. There were several times that her parents almost busted me. I remember coming back smelling of cigarettes and being asked if I was smoking. I told them that I had stopped at a bar (nothing like American bars) to get a coffee and was around people who were smoking. My ex-wife’s father worked on the same ship as I did and he almost busted a few times while the ship was in “exotic ports of call.”
The hardest part about pretending and playing the role of a fundamentalist Christian was putting aside reality and using illogical arguments and irrational statements. Having to say things like, “God created the Earth in six days” with a straight face was really hard. Doing the “happy Jesus dance” on Sundays with everyone that attended the in-home church was especially difficult. Do Christians realize how silly they look doing the “happy Jesus dance?” It was so hard not to laugh hysterically when they started “dancing” to Christian music.
The level of commitment I had to put into pretending to be Christian went beyond the home and around her parents. I had to pretend to be a Christian on the ship as well (to the amusement and befuddlement of my friends). I had to pray before meals on the ship because her father was on the ship with me and he could walk into the galley at any moment and catch me not saying grace. I had to go to Bible study on the ship because he was there. I had to convince him that his daughter would “continue in a good Christian home.” I even had to continue the charade in letters that I wrote to her while underway. Her parents did not think she deserved any privacy and would read her letters, diaries, etc. I knew there was a chance of them reading the letters, so I had to smatter them with Christian references and godly talk.
Ultimately the differences between my atheism and my ex-in-laws hyper-religiosity culminated into several nasty episodes relating to my children. But that is for another time…
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Yes, Back in 1995 or maybe a
Yes, Back in 1995 or maybe a bit later, I was selling my 84' Honda Civic, and these two bible pushers came to look at the car, and they told me that in order for them to buy the car, I had to welcome jesus into my life....well, we joined hands and welcomed him...they signed the paperwork, gave me my money, they took off, as soon as they left....I pointed their imaginary little friend right to the door. Ha Ha yeah I know...I lied to them, but isn't that what relgion is, A LIE!
Interesting
Nothing like a good lie to prove how great the philosophical position of atheism is. You see right off the bat you show why atheism is foolishness.
Atheists have to lie to
Atheists have to lie to ignorant, prejudice people like you to keep from being ridiculed. And don't get all high and mighty because you're religous, we all know you lie too. For example, if you ever claimed to be intelligent thats a lie, becuase you live life based on a 2000 year old harry potter book.
To answer your rhetorical
To answer your rhetorical question. Yes religion is a lie. haha
My friend thought I needed to
My friend thought I needed to go to church, but he knew I was an atheist. He convinced me to go by saying that he and a bunch of friends were meeting at his house and wanted to know if I would like to meet his friends. He never told me it was a church. After I realized what was going on, I told my friend that I would never go back. I was disappointed in him for deceiving me.
Did you meet his friends per
Did you meet his friends per his reasoning for having you come over?
My friend thought I needed to
My friend thought I needed to go to church, but he knew I was an atheist. He convinced me to go by saying that he and a bunch of friends were meeting at his house and wanted to know if I would like to meet his friends. He never told me it was a church. After I realized what was going on, I told my friend that I would never go back. I was disappointed in him for deceiving me.
Have You Ever Pretended To Be A Christian
No, I haven't. I've been an atheist since about the age of eight, - in fact, I learned the word from my grandmother (who was religious, and when I told her I didn't think there was anything real about religion, spat "Oh, you're an atheist!), and I've never been shy about my arguments in favor of reason over mere belief.
Then again, I've never had to. Atheists where I live are fairly common, and it is the religious nuts - the fundys and born-agains, not the everyday churchers- that suffer the most derision around here.
Dunbar, West Virginia
I live in Dunbar, WV. Pretending to be a Christian is the only way to keep my job, have friends and live without fear of reprisal from my neighbors. My family went to the same doctor for years...and her father before her as well. When I told her I was an atheist her response was: "You can't be." I have a new doctor now. My wife and I have been thrown off a city bus when another passenger complained to the driver about the conversation we were having concerning atheism. I contributed a book of my poetry to the county library system. It never made it to the shelves. if you search on atheism in the library system you come up with 56 hits nearly half of which are Christian literature attacking ahteism or mention atheism only in passing. In comparison, if you search Christianity you get 1,629 hits. I've complained to the library about the use of public funds to promote religion and was told: "We're just giving the public what it wants." By that reasoning they should have a pornography section.
I dont always tone down my
I dont always tone down my atheism, but when i do, im trying to bang a christian chick
You must be the most
You must be the most interesting atheist in the world
I grew up in the bible belt
I grew up in the bible belt and was a hardcore baptist till i was 23. A few months ago I was dating this christian girl for about 3 months, she had just assumed I was christian but never went to church. Well, she finally asked me why and I told her I was an Atheist; 2 weeks later I found out she was cheating on me with a Christian dude for about a week and said she could never be with someone who doesn't believe in god.
Yep
Hard to get girls when your atheist.
yeah, unless... haha.
depends on the girl.... if she's atheist, no problem, and before i was atheist, i had no problem wth atheist guys. so....
No I have not once pretended
No I have not once pretended to be something I am not. I did believe myself to be a Christian until the age of 5 because at the time I understood the bible to be a HISTORY book and nothing more or less. As a child your only source of information is from trusting adults, so when they read you a book and say it is true it is nearly impossible to disbelieve them.
When I was five I met someone with a different religion, and the instant I learned that religions were based on beliefs and not proven facts I asked what a person was called that didn't believe in such things. I was told atheist. I have been an Atheist for 21 years.
HELL NO .......HAHAHA ,,
HELL NO .......HAHAHA ,,,GOD CAN KISS MY ASS
no i have not...
I was about to say that I haven't .. however, I guess I do to certain people in my life. But not much longer. No one should lie about who they are. Especially if its for personal gain.. As atheists, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. We need to set the example. We cannot take part in the petty lies for personal gain and daily bull. Do not give those who hate us simply for being non-believers the satisfaction. Like I said, we need to set the example.
Yes
I keep a book that "looks like a bible" on the dashboard of my car. I keep it there because I live in the middle of the "bible belt". However, the book is some copy of Sumerian text about aliens colonizing the earth.
no, but.....
Ive never really pretended to be a Christian.... i thought myself to be a Christian until the age of 8 or 9, maybe 10.... but eventually i came to the conclusion that God can 'go to hell' for all i care (pun intended), because to me personally, its a load of crap. If my friends cant accept it, they're not my friends, and if people have a problem with that fact that im atheist then, i repeat, go to 'hell'. :D
You're awesome. Love the puns
You're awesome. Love the puns.
You have won The Game.
You have won The Game.
Embarrassing, but yes
I ran for office locally, and while campaigning, a potential voter came up in my face and demanded to know what sort of Christian I was. It was obvious tha telling the truth would not only lose me a vote, but that she would do everything possible to keep me out of office. Co I told her I as raised catholic. "then why don't I see you in Church?"
PI lost by 14 votes.
not technically
I became an atheist because of a teacher during my first day of 7th grade. (long story) I can't say that I lied about being an atheist after that, but I did go to great lengths to avoid the subject of religion completly with my friends and family.
I want to start off and say I
I want to start off and say I completly get why the poeple that lie do, and sympathize. I have never pretened to be Christian, im only 16, and go to a mainly christian high school. A lot of kids hate me, and ridicule me, but I don't regret "outing" myself, because i'm very very very proud to be an Atheist. I became an Atheist around 7 or 8, and i'm really happy that I realized religion was a lie. I see these people that devote there lives to guy in the sky, and put no value on the only life they will ever have because they believe they will go to heaven. I guess I just love that I can live life to the fullest, and truly appreciate it's value. All you that have lied about it, I'm just happy you're truly atheists, but I hope one day you'll let everyone know that you're are a member of the 7% of our country that has intelligence.
Congrats
I have to congratulate you on becoming an Atheist at such an early age and being so proud of it. I grew up Mormon and firmly believed it was true until about 4 months ago around my 18th birthday. I had always had my doubts and continued on with it but eventually I just couldn't believe the bull anymore, I went from being straight Mormon, skipped th Christian step, and became an Atheist. Best choice of my life. My only regret is not having made the decision earlier on.
HAPPY ATHEISTS DAY!!!
Its APRIL 1st . Happy Atheists Day to all of you!!!
Pretending
I don't feel I have a choice in my family or in my community but to pretend. I could have a lot of social challenges, as could my children. I am very open about my beliefs on facebook and have lost friend links because of my beliefs, but morefriends have stayed. I guess, like the author, it is easy to pretend. Christian's want you to say certain things to make them feel they still have their name on the rolls, so if I use their language in passing they tend to feel better about themselves and leave me alone.
I am a hairstylist and my job
I am a hairstylist and my job, aside from making people look and feel good about themselves, is to develop strong interpersonal bonds. These business relationships enable me to keep clientele and earn more money, not to say that I don't actually genuinely enjoy the social aspect and making new friends. I work for a strongly religious boss, and with religious people. The area is also predominately catholic iraqui. In order to keep my friends and clients, I always say, "I was raised Catholic." This way I get around the question and am not lying. I was, but am I now? Hell no.
No, but I have pretended to be an atheist, long enuff for thots
First, let me clarify: YES, separation of church and state & actual non-discriminatory bias against anyone's beliefs or lack. NO, 'Creationism' and 'Intelligent Design' are NOT and can NEVER be sciences, and have no place whatsoever in the classroom. There are a lot of ignorant, unscriptural, religious people out there misrepresenting God. So anyhow, I ask you to lay your own preconceptions resulting from stigmatism aside, and let me post some rational, logical, empirical food for thought? Just evaluate the validity of the reasoning, ok?
CHAPTER ONE
THE AXIOM
There are two possible schools of thought pertaining to the evaluation of the Universe that we live in. One school of thought is embodied in the philosophy known as Solipsism. This philosophy expounds that all external reality is relative to the perception of the individual, or, in other words, all reality is subjective and cannot be described by objective analysis. As an example, Solipsism is the belief that everything that individuals perceive is a projection of the thoughts of their mind. Taken to its fullest implications, Solipsism means that if you think strongly that an object that you perceive does not really exist, then you will cease to perceive it and it will thus disappear. On the other hand, if you think strongly enough that an object does exist, then you will perceive it and it will thus exist. Understandably, the ardent adherents of this school of thought soon lost what sanity they had.
When we lead from ignorance, we can come to no conclusions. When we say, “Anything can happen, and anything can be, because we know so little that we have no right to say ‘This is’ or ‘This isn’t,’” then all reasoning comes to a halt right there. We can eliminate nothing; we can assert nothing. All we can do is put words and thoughts together on the basis of intuition or faith or revelation and, unfortunately, no two people seem to share the same intuition or faith or revelation.
What we must do is place rules and set limits, however arbitrary these may seem to be. We then discover what we can say within these rules and limits. The scientific view of the Universe is such as to admit only those phenomena that can, in one way or another, be observed in a fashion accessible to all, and to admit those generalizations (which we call laws of nature) that can be induced from those observations.1
Most importantly, Einstein presumed that all the laws of nature must be entirely equivalent in all conceivable systems of reference, differing only by uniform velocities. Without an ether, reasoned Einstein, there is no real physical basis for absolute spatial positions or orientations; all, therefore, must be relative to the observer. At the same time, all observers must see the many laws of nature in an identical way.2
Science deals only with phenomena that can be reproduced; observations that, under certain fixed conditions, can be made by anybody of normal intelligence; observations upon which reasonable men can agree.3
In opposition to Solipsism is the school of thought that objective interpretation of the universe we live in is possible. Since the validity of Solipsism would mean that it would be impossible to make logical sense out of what we are aware of, we will assume that Solipsism is invalid. Bearing this in mind, I propose the following axiom, which we may call the Axiom of Interdependency:
If a “spiritual universe” exists, there likewise must also exist laws or principles common to both such a “spiritual universe” and to the physical universe, in order for us to be able to perceive any manifestation of such a “spiritual universe.”
Notice that this axiom in no way assumes the existence of a spiritual universe. The reason why seeking objective proof of the existence of a spiritual universe is futile will be dealt with in later chapters.
What this axiom does say is that if a spiritual universe exists that does not have laws or principles in common with our physical universe, then we cannot be aware of it and thus it would be of no concern to us. However, if a spiritual universe exists such that we are aware of some of its manifestations, then it will have laws or principles in common with our physical universe. Thus, for any postulated assertion of a spiritual reality, there should be corresponding evidence of that reality reflected in our physical universe. Conversely, it should be possible to formulate a framework of characteristics of the physical universe that will indicate the nature of the corresponding spiritual reality. Practically speaking, this axiom means that it is possible to construct a logical theory encompassing virtually every field of science that will explain the purpose behind everything known to man.
Come, let us reason together:
There are two, and only two, explanations for the means whereby life now exists on this planet.
First, there is the explanation that life on earth was divinely created. Regardless of the great variety of legends depicting such an occurrence, all such legends have in common two things: Life was originated by some supernatural means, and some divine being or beings employed this means.
Since, obviously, there is no way that the above explanation of the origin of life can be subjected to any scientific analysis, it would be profitless to discuss its merits (at this point). Therefore, let us examine the other explanation for the origin of life and see what conclusions may be derived from such an analysis.
The other means I am referring to is, of course, the theory of evolution. By evolution, I mean the process or processes whereby life as we now know it has come about from an originally inorganic universe through purely mechanistic actions in conformity with the laws of the physical universe. Keeping these parameters in mind, let us now see what relevant conclusions may be derived:
Given the vastness of the universe, eons of time, and the consequent profusion of life, what must the ultimate consummation of the process of evolution be?
It is my contention that the inevitable and ultimate result of evolution is this: that somewhere, sooner or later, an entity would be evolved through either natural or artificial means which would no longer be subject to time.
What are the implications of such a conclusion?
Such an entity would in all practicality be:
1. Omnipotent and
2. Omniscient and
3. Omnipresent.
Such an entity would, by definition, be God.
By no means am I intending to speculate about the origin of God.
Such speculation is vain at best and blasphemous at worst. My intention is to show that no matter what method that you employ to explain the existence of life; the inevitable implication is the existence and reality of God.
For a complete, logical, and concise explanation of the purpose of man, visit:
amessageforthehumanrace
Okay, that's it. Did it hurt? Was it offensive? Or, perhaps, something novel you hadn't considered before. Thank you for your tolerance.
If God is omnipotent (all
If God is omnipotent (all powerful) then why is it so hard for him to lockup the Devil and be done with evil?
If God is omniscient (all knowing) then what is the purpose of praying? He already knows.
If God is omnipresent (everywere at once) why do you have to go to church to be near him?
I'm doing it now...
I am lying about my lack of faith right now. Unfortunately, I am homeless (due to the economy - I am unemployed) and living in a faith-based shelter. I am extremely reluctant to let too many ppl know about my atheism for fear that I may be kicked out of the program or receive some type of discrimination.
No, but I am beginning to regret it
I have been very open with my atheism from the moment I realized I didn't believe. I have been open about it because my parents didn't care what religion I had. This led me to develop my opennes. I soon learned that my openness was not tolerated at my school. People often blamed me for things that went wrong because I didn't believe in god and they thought he was punishing me. I was ridiculed so much. I hate being open about my beliefs because it has caused nothing but stress. and evry single theist that ever hated against me can go burn in your own hell.
The poster has an interesting
The poster has an interesting story, but if he lied to the people who were supposed to be important to him, are we to assume that now he is a truthful person?
Unfortunately, I have seen a lot of this around atheists, including one at work who lied to me.
I know atheists like to talk about them being "good" for goodness sake, but I think that is BS.
Atheists have no credibility with me anymore.
I normaly don't lie when
I normaly don't lie when someone asks if I believe in god, but I find life is easier if they think I am a christian. For that reason alone I avoid telling people that I am an athiest.
Frankly, why would anyone want to tell the truth about such things when one knows people are bias against what one is?
As an atheist, I was saddened to read this article. Mr. Scott, this article is mean-spirited and arrogant. You deceived people (your in-laws) who probably loved you, and denigrated the chaplain that married you, calling him a “bumbling idiot” behind his back. You enjoyed it too. You said that you “had fun pretending to be a Christian fundamentalist.” You also implied that you were relieved to reveal that you were an atheist so that you could smoke, drink and cuss up a storm “like a sailor should.” You say that you felt “a little guily” about the deception, but you certainly don’t sound remorseful. You just sound cruel and you sound like a liar.
One can be an atheist and still be kind and honest. In addition, smoking, drinking and “cussing up a storm” do not strike me as good atheist or Navy values. Your statements make you sound superficial and, frankly, a bit sleazy. You set a bad example for others.
Yes currently right now. I
Yes currently right now. I was raised Catholic but I was always more of a "liberal Christian". My parents never really tried to push beliefs because we don't communicate about things that make them uncomfortable (sex, gay marriage, abortion. etc.) so I developed my own opions about social issues like these. I started making the transition when I was 15 because I did not want to be associated with other Chrisitians and became more disinterested about being one. Because I am "Catholic" I had to do confirmation classes. This is when I started identifying myself as an atheist, but just to some close friends. I am choosing to wait to tell my parents until I have moved far enough away ( I live in Texas) and I am financially dependent. I don't like confrontation and this way any retribution will be far less substantial then if I tell them now ( I am 17).
Satanism is completely
Satanism is completely unrelated to neopaganism, although they are often confused. Most Satanists do not believe that Satan actually exists. Instead, they treat the figure of Satan as a symbol for a life philosophy of self-indulgence and libertinism in opposition to Christian teachings about sin.-Dan Sciscente-Amor
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