Here’s a news flash that apparently comes as a surprise to some people:
Even when Ouija boards come in hot pink, they are still make believe.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584998,00.html?test=latestnews
Kathleen
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That’s Christians for ya. Anything they remotely misunderstand is something sinful, harmful, or otherwise not Christian enough.
Wow, kudos to Ms. Johnson. This makes TWO references to FoxNews.com that she’s unapologetically made here. If she keeps this unrelenting search for truth up, she’ll be a Conservative by year’s end and ready to shed the mantle of atheism within two…
JCC, you’d be surprised at how many of the atheists, liberals, and moderates you love so much would be republicans if it weren’t for the theocratic corporatism that passes for conservative values these days.
Uh, not really. With the possible exception of atheists, the Republican Party is full of liberals and moderates like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul.
Can you give me a definition of “theocratic corporatism,” please?
Cpt,
did you know that Bushs brain, Karl Rove, is an atheist?
If they were honest I bet that the Republican party is absolutely full of atheists who are drawn by the fiscal conservatism but hate the theocratic policies (like me).
@godless: Didn’t know that. Maybe there are some in there just lead by the corporate greed and exploit the religiosity of innocent ignorami. Sure hope not.
@jcc: From Dictionary.com
In other words, a “Corporatocracy” in which big business is government. It’s an idea that’s been used in many sci-fi media. If you need an immediate example, look up the game Anarchy Online and read about Omni-Tek.
Put the two together and I think it’d be self explanatory.
Thanks. Now, without resorting further to cliché, can you provide irrefutable proof that the conflation of those two terms are indistinguishable from mainstream Conservative values—and specifically, that the Republicans are attempting to implement a “system of government by priests claiming a divine commission”?
Why bother? Anything we say, proof or no, rational or no, reasoned or no, offensive or no, you immediately throw back at us and claim we’re being arrogant, selfish, uncaring, clinging to an agenda, or being disrespectful, but above all are are, according to you, wrong just because we’re atheists/leftists/liberals/non-Christian conservatives.
What guarantee can you give me that it’s worth my time providing you everything necessary to support my opinion without you nitpicking it apart like an obsessive compulsive while failing to make a distinct and succinct counter argument beyond automatically gain saying what I say after lacing a non-rebuttal of everything you don’t like about my ideas and claims in your self-prided sarcasm? If you can promise me a debate and not 50 blockquotes of everything you don’t like about what I say while ignoring every valid point and not providing a counter argument, I’ll consider humoring you.
None. That’s not how it works here, Junior. I’m under no obligation to guarantee you anything. However, what seems to work best is when one party asks honest, respectful questions of another (as I did above) and the other responds in kind. If you really want to keep a mature and enlightened conversation going with me, I suggest you try it and lose the whining, laced-with-your-own-backhanded-barbs, hurt puppy act.
Then, you need to drop the sarcasm and address the full, entire post and argument made, not blockquote every single snippet you can make a negative comment against. Debating involves making your argument, providing opinion and objective evidence, and answering rebuttals of your opponent’s opinion and objective evidence by proving them wrong or reassessing your position to strengthen it or accept its fallibility. It also requires mutual respect. I’ve yet to witness you in any way, shape, or form offer mutual respect or honest debate because time and time again you treat everyone here that has a different view with contempt, disdain, distrust, and immediate dismissal. Then you get defensive when we call you out on it.
Just admit it. You hate non-christians.
Yep, I read Fox News because it’s not all biased garbage. However, I also read CNN, MSNBC, Newsweek, and several other news sources. I don’t discriminate against Fox as a news source but I sure don’t view it, or any other news source, as completely reliable.
FYI, what makes you think that Atheists can’t also be politically conservative? I’m patriotic, fiscally conservative, somewhat pro-life (when the issue is examined from a scientific and social perspective rather than a religious one), own guns, and have served in the military. I’d be a Republican if the Republican party didn’t also advance a religious agenda that’s incompatible with people like me.
Kathleen
Could you repeat that a little louder please?—I don’t think some people here you the first time.
Like I said, give it a year…especially if you continue to compare it to CNN & MSNBC.
I didn’t say they couldn’t, but given the nearly monolithic population of far-left bloggers here, it’s no exaggeration to claim they’re a rare as “hen’s teeth.”
What makes you think the “religious” don’t examine the issue from a “scientific and social perspective” as well? But where do you stand from a moral perspective?
What, specifically, about that agenda is “religious” and how, exactly is that incompatible with you?
Well, I don’t really want to get into an abortion debate, but I’ll throw something short out there. I abhor abortions on ethical grounds. IMO, killing proto-humans is wrong unless there’s an overriding medical or ethical reason for doing it (an example of a right ethical reason might be that the emotional and physical health of a rape or incest victim could trump the rights of a proto-human to exist).
Here’s my fundamental disagreement with the religious right – I think the best way to prevent abortions is to prevent unintended pregnancies, and you do that with thorough sex education, including birth control methods, starting at a very young age, and you make that birth control widely and freely available to all who want it. I object to abstinence only education on ethical grounds – it is unethical to assume it’s possible to override our evolutionary-driven drive to have sex and that attempting to do so prevents unwanted pregnancies. I wonder how many of those kids who make those virginity pledges end up getting secret abortions because they’re ashamed to admit to their families and friends that they violated their pledge?
As to the Republican party’s religious affiliations, the religious-right’s association and dominance of the party seems pretty obvious. They are incompatible with me because they think it’s okay to restrict access to proper sex education, medically necessary abortion procedures, and birth control, as well as distribute government money and resources, which belong to all of us, to religious groups. That’s just a short list of my fundamental issues with the folks who run the Republican party these days.
Kathleen
I’d trust Faux Noise about as far as I could sling a piano.
Then why do you create threads like this that cannot avoid it?
May I ask, what is the source of that ethos? Is it mutable or objective?
First, I thought “proto-humans” were the supposed precursors to homo sapiens, second, can you provide a scientifically demonstrated distinction between said “proto-humans” and a human being?
So, not to diminish the magnitude, trauma and indignation of such an event, but never the less, if it results in a pregnancy then that means the life of the woman was spared and she presumably can take steps to eventually heal emotionally from it—and you’re asserting that that emotional trauma “trumps” the value of the life of an innocent third party involved?
Agreed.
How young is “very young?” Do you have children of your own?
So, the taxpayer is responsible for funding contraception for anyone who wants it and as much as they want?—and does this include those in the “very young” category?—and what happens when that contraception fails?—is the taxpayer responsible for the ensuing abortion as well?
Again may I ask, what is the source of that ethos?—and is it immutable or objective as well?
Really? So, you’re saying we, as a species, are incapable of controlling ourselves when it comes to sexual impulses? If that’s true, then why isn’t rape an excusable act?
My guess is not nearly as many as you think.
As is the “religious-left’s” (i.e. atheist’s) is over the Democrat party.
So, you’re OK with letting an essentially complete stranger indoctrinate your children in what he/she regards as “healthy” sexual practices and impulses? You’re OK with letting your tax dollars go to government funded abortions with essentially no questions asked?
Thank you. I appreciate your input and I eagerly await your replies to my questions—particularly the sources of your ethos.
Ms. Johnson, are you there?
Kathleen
We need people like you in the party in order to select more secular candidates in the party.
Jcc
Ron Paul-libertarian conservative
Chuck Hagel-moderate conservative
Sarah Palin-good looking conservative
What is truly a mystery is why Christians do not promote it if it works. What a testimony to spirits it would be. Despite the risks to prove that supernatural spirits exist would be a rockhard promotion of their faith.
No, they would rather no one used it and found out it is the toy advertised.
Fear has been a successful draw for their faith. Fear of god, fear of punishment, fear, fear, fear.
It would be a shame if the pink ouija board were removed from the shelves. . . how else are atheists supposed to teach their children about the ideomotor effect and how to debunk it?
I don’t know what they are made of now, but our Ouija board was made of a masonite-like material and my brother broke his big toe with it when he lifted it out of the closet. It was stored on its end and it slipped out and landed edge-on onto his toe. Must have been angry spirits. It amazes me how people can imagine magic powers somehow instilled in cardboard/masonite and plastic. There must be an “inject magic” step in the manufacturing process.