WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama dedicated his weekly radio address Saturday to the shooting that occurred at the Fort Hood military base this week.
Mr. Obama said he will be tracking the investigation into how suspect Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, allegedly shot and killed 13 people and wounded dozens of others on Thursday.
The president met Friday with the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to discuss the incident. While Mr. Obama deplored the violence at the military medical center, he also extolled the bravery of the soldiers who quickly came to the aid of victims.
“Thursday’s shooting was one of the most devastating ever committed on an American military base,” Mr. Obama said in prepared remarks. “And yet, even as we saw the worst of human nature on full display, we also saw the best of America.”
Mr. Obama was also quick to note the diversity of U.S. military personnel. “They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers,” he said. Mr. Hasan, a Muslim, was scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan.
It is our responsibility to push the press into reporting the truth; we need to know is how much of this relates to Islam. Is this some guy who ‘happens to be Muslim” going crazy, is it a Muslim-based terror attack, or is it somewhere in-between, where a Muslim who might have been taught that Jihads aren’t terrible might have been pushed over the edge when going to Afghanistan to possibly kill other Muslims?
We need to know if we can trust Muslims in the military to kill bad guys, not good guys. I will be the first to admit I have my doubts.
Obama stayed in washington to talk on the radio,former president g.w.bush visited the ft.Hood wounded.
Obama says nice words but as far as religion goes nothing is different than under bush.
The ft.Hood shooter is reported to have shouted god is great,there are reports he wrote on the internet in praise of suicide bombers.A muslim leader in texas is quoted as saying he was concerned by things the shooter had said when talking to him in the past.Yet the press is pussyfooting around this even going so far as to suggest that he was bullied because of his faith,wtf he was a 39 yr old man a DR. and officer in Army.Our media like our business and political leaders are totally useless to the people.
Regarding the ? can we trust muslims in the military.The fact is most muslims have and are serving with honor in our forces and in allied forces.This guy is reported to have made clear sometime ago he felt the wars were aganist islam and not terrorists.Sadly it appears there was a red flag flying and no one saw it or worse we are so short and stressed for trained people it was seen and ignored.
Appearently the US Military has gotten more stupider since WWII. During WWII we had some American-Japenese units. These units were deployed to Europe because it was known that having American-Japenese killing Japenese could cause mental and emotional problems in the soldiers. The only American-Japenese who operated in the Pacific volenteered for it.
This Major Joined the Army after 9/11 because like tens of thousands of other Americans he believed that America was wrongly attacked by an enemy and that as an American it was his duty to help in the war. He joined not to fight and kill Moslems, He joined because Al Queda attacked us and Al Queda needed to be defeated.
I have heard nothing that indicates Major Hasan had any problems with the US hitting the Talaban or Al Queda in Afganistan. From what I understand his stance on the war changed as it did for many Americans when Bush the Son changed his focus to Iraq.
I consider Major Hasan to be just another casualty in the Christian Crusade of Bush the Sons wars to make the middle east safe for christianity. He is no different then the many other soldiers who reached their breaking points and exploded in unpleasent ways.
Major Hasan when he saw the direction the war was taking and could no longer support it attempted to give up his commission, said he would repay the government for his education. But the military refused to let him give up his commission and then decided to deploy him to the middle east, any idiot should have seen the shooting coming from a mile away.
Granted Major Hasan went off the deep in a dramatic way and needs to pay the price for it, but Bush the Father and Bush the Son are just as guilty as he is.
I agree.
US citizens would never have supported the Invasion of Iraq had the Iraqis been xians. From the start this ghastly invasion (terrorism on a massive scale really) of Iraq has been fueled by the religious motivations of US xians.
Can you imagine how you would feel and what you would do if you were asked, no FORCED, to participate in the invasion of Sweden (highest nonbeliever density) based on the lame justification for invading Iraq?
Isn’t it interesting how Dave is quick to entertain the religious terrorist angle in this tragedy? Yet when Israel invades Gaza and commits war crimes does he even say one damn thing about the role of religion in that tragedy? Answer: not one word. Why Dave?
Reason says:
Dear Reason, Under the Bush the Son administration the military started becoming evangelized. The Air Force Academy was proven to have been evangelizing it’s cadet’s. Jewish, Moslems and Athiests were harrassed, and persecuted by other cadets. Were forced to attened christian services and listen to christian propaganda. If this was happening in an elite training facility like the air force academy what do you think was happening in the Marine Core, or Army.
These wars have long ago mutated into a christian crusade and are no longer wars of defence.
Perhaps when compared to a civilian university the Air Force Academy can be viewed as an elite training facility. However, when compared to the U.S. Marine Corps it is more like a cub scout troop.
The irony is… the same people who discriminate against Muslims in the military are now filling the blogosphere with the claim that this proves the military should be Christian-only.
This is Columbine with a twist: the difference being that the bullies and bullied are of different religions and the bullying motivated by religious intolerance rather than social jockeying.
MarkHolland is right about the US’s wars being crusades, not self-defense. There’s also a 2nd crusade going on though: to rid the US military of non-Christians. Do you suppose we will have a secular democracy if we allow that to happen?
Will nonbelievers someday sink to the level of individual retribution in response to intolerance? As black folks in America learned in the 50′s and 60′s, the keys to standing up against intolerance and cruelty is to stand together rather than alone and to stand peacefully.
Will said.
Chris B
I like your comparison to Columbine. The (stand together rather than alone)I can agree with but (standing peacefully) While it was the killing of the white civil rights workers that pushed the government into passing the civil rights laws. MLK and those of his ilk had little to do with it, Malcom X and the black panthers making their stands against being victimized. The possibility of a race war, and the Christian racists willingness to murder white people were the primary reasons for the passing of the civil rights laws.
I would like nothing better then for the Atheists and non Christian theists to start gathering and holding public bible burning parties. The christian religion is not impressed by passive or peacefull protests. They need to be challenged. They need to have their authority challenged, they need to have their beleifs challenged.
My greatest disapointment in Atheist groups is that non of them have even attempted to challenge Perceived christian authority or the validity of their religion.
I think that as long as the media, our government, and Christians all over continue to want everyone to automatically forgive religion for killings like this, they’re going to happen again and again. There’s a long list of innocent people alive today who will have to give their lives to madmen like this, so that religion may roll on in its quest to exhaust the resource of innocent people, in order to survive as a popular idea.
We can’t find that list before the fact, so we ought to at least be able to honestly criticize the real reason for incidents like this, religion. The very idea that we should avoid being so critical of something so ingrained and traditional is exactly what will spell the doom of those victims.
For their sake and for the sake of humanity in general, I speak out against religion now. Now and later.
Mmm….Now and Later…:o)
Atheism has killed more people then all religions combined. Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Mao Sung Il, Pao Put, just to name a few. In 50 years these Atheists killed over 100 million people. If you dont’ believe they killed in the name of Atheism then read the Communist Manifesto. So lets look at the much much much longer list of innocent people killed by Atheist Regimes, as well. And by the way, Atheists can’t say that killing people is bad because there are no objective moral values in Atheism. Morals are like food in an Atheistic worldview, everyone has different tastes. I’m not saying Atheists can’t be morally good, i’m saying Atheists have no foundation for Objective moral values. So you saying “killing is wrong” is like saying “speghetti is delicious.” It’s just a matter of preference in an Atheistic worldview.
Very insightful post MarkHolland; however, my question is this, should we allow our troops to refuse service because of religious belief? Wouldn’t that be a can of worms? What about the American xians who fought against Germanic xians in WWII? Should thay have been allowed to object? I don’t have answers, just curious what others think.
Actually we all ready do it is called Conscientious objector status. most of the field medics during WWI were Conscientious objectors. They refused to take up arms and kill but they were willing to walk into blood baths in order to help and retrieve the wounded. As for Christians killing Christians most of their history shows that they have little trouble with that. The early Catholic Church exterminated hundreds of Christian sects murdering tens or hundreds of thousand fellow Christians that were deemed heretics.
Sargent York of WWI fame was drafted and filed for Conscientious objector status as he finished boot camp he was granted that status but by that time his comanding officer (Christian) convinced him that it was Gods will that he should fight the evil Germans and he did. If you have never read or seen his story it is actually pretty interesting.
As for allowing soldiers to opt out of service, from my point of view forcing a soldier to serve when he has strongly indicated that he/she does not wish to serve is insane. If that soldier breaks which is almost guarenteed and if that break occurs at the wrong time and place, that breaking could be very costly.
I have seen nothing to indicate that Major Hasan was anything other then a dedicated and loyal military officer up to the invasion of Iraq. It was only when the war went from defensive retalitory to Crusade that he started becoming disatisfied and disalusioned with the wars. You said it would be a can of worms if we allowed soldiers to leave service, the fact is that by not allowing Major Hasan to leave the service we did not open a can of worms, we opened a new Morg.
Our wars in mideast are not Christian Crusades they are to secure control of oil and gas reserves.We even tried before 911 to get a pipeline deal with taliban so we wouldn’t have to go thru IRAN or RUSSIA.Without cheap/plentiful energy it is curtains for US economy.
Hasan was a fanatic who choose to overlook the fact that muslims are killing fellow muslims of their own freewill.
We need to ask every enlistee if they are willing to bear arms against their race,religion and every nation.
wow…thanks reason…and all this time I thought 2000 year old dumb ideas were to blame…
heres a link to us oil imports:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
and dont forget that it is a 2 way street….Saudi and Iran’s GDP comes mostly from selling oil….
Hasan killed because of his stupid religion….
I actually agree with you Mark. Perhaps there should be some kind of exit strategy in the service if such issues arrive, but at this point, I don’t think there is. If there were such a strategy, who’s to say that as soon as most soldiers got a taste of war (which has been described as hell), wouldn’t a good portion of them want to quit and come home? Should the service allow that? I’m afriad we would suffer a serious lack of troops in combat zones, while the airforce would be busy shipping discontented soldiers home.
The American forces are voluntary. If you object to the mission, or possible future missions (armies do tend to fight wars occasionally), don’t join, and obtain your education through civilian outlets.
Quote from cry4turtles: “The American forces are voluntary. If you object to the mission, or possible future missions (armies do tend to fight wars occasionally), don’t join, and obtain your education through civilian outlets.”
I’m curious if your ideas on not volunteering also extend to funding such “missions” (e.g., refusing to pay taxes). I agree with your premise (if you don’t wish to serve, then don’t volunteer), but where is the line drawn?
I don’t think we need be too concerned about one or a few isolated incidents by religious nuts like the Major may have been and like Tim MC Veigh was. Rather, we should be more concerned when religious delusions of the Commander-in-Chief lead us into unnecessary wars :
“In 2003, just before the Iraq War, former President George W. Bush tried once more to get the support of France. His approach to French President Jacques Chirac was straightforward, drawing on thousands of years of history and on higher authority: “This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.” This, he added, was the “holy” war in the Middle East, predicted in the Bible, against Gog and Magog.”
” ONWARD XTIAN SOLDIERS MARCHING(OFF) TO WAR.”
And you believe a bum like Chirac.He is angry because Bush screwed French oil firm TOTAL out of a big oil deal in iraq.
Reason says, “And you believe a bum like Chirac.He is angry because Bush screwed French oil firm TOTAL out of a big oil deal in iraq.”
And you believe Bush? Bush said similar things to Bob Woodward. It was reported by Woodward that in response to His question of Bush, “did you consult your father(George Herbert Walker Bush), prior to dciding to invade Iraq”, George W said, “I consulted a higher father.”
Maybe you want a commander-in-chief who consults a “sky king daddy god”, but I want one firmly attached to REALITY!
Bob Woodward,yeah that is a reliable source Nixon should have had that son of a bitch waterboarded.
G.W.BUSH played the fundies that is all.
Gw Bush was a fundie.
Reason, since you don’t trust the multiple sources reporting about the Bush Chirac comments. Since you don’t trust BobWoodward, would you please inform us of sources or classes of sources you trust?
Hannity? Limbaugh? Cristol?The Nation/Faux news?
Nixon should have been waterbaorded along with Cheney and little George w.
BTW: History, the released tapes, other witnesses have ALL proven what Woodward had reported about Nixon were true: he was drunk, a megalomaniac, a liar, a criminal , a hater/user of jews, a desecrator and defiler of the Constitution.
Also, King George W has NOT disputed what Woorward said about him , nor has he disputed what multiple sources report he said to Chirac re “god’s holy war…Gog and Magog”
“The revelation this month in GQ Magazine that Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary embellished top-secret wartime memos with quotations from the Bible prompts a question. Why did he believe he could influence President Bush by that means?
The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush’s Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light.
In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”.
The story of the conversation emerged only because the Elyse Palace, baffled by Bush’s words, sought advice from Thomas Romer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne. Four years later, Romer gave an account in the September 2007 issue of the university’s review, Allez savoir. The article apparently went unnoticed, although it was referred to in a French newspaper.
The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush’s invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs”.
In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on “a mission from God” in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.”
Multiple sources for Bush’s god delusion and his delusionally beleiving he was on a mission from god.
Yahweh
Nixon was a good president who had the respect of the soviet union.Every one has faults btw.No i don’t get my news or views from rush or any other entertainer.I look at the writings by people like former assistant treasury secretary paul roberts for example.Another colorful writer/speaker is the Russian envoy to nato.I am not some fox news/world news daily zombie.
You are correct bush hasn’t disputed anything but he probably just doesn’t care.Ron paul,chuck baldwin and others on the right both secular an religious see bush as a phoney globalist.I regret that conservative has come to be equated with religious right,neo con aggression and borrow an spend policies.
The push by the creepy evangelical born again jesus freaks in this country makes me wanna barf….
here’s a link to add more details to what Yahweh points out….
The push by the creepy evangelical born again jesus freaks in this country makes me wanna barf….
here’s a link to add more details to what Yahweh points out….
http://www.aei.org/article/20397
I just watch Fox News…..they clearly link the Hood Shootings with Islam…..they take 10 Minutes doing it…then as a teaser before break to commercial they say…..”Abortion doctor speaks out to declare why he should be set free”…..gee I wonder what religion this killer for God is?
Fox news has faults but at least it is not a cheerleader for obama like the rest.Can you imagine Bill Clinton or Bush jr getting a pass for not going to berlin wall event when every major leader in Europe is in attendance.
Your right again reason….I much rather would have my political leaders running around exchanging pleasantries for the cameras….that way they wouldnt have to worry about things like religious wars, economic collapse, education, health care, energy policy, foreign trade policy, domestic trade policy, infrastructure and general the warfare of the US….
I would feel even better if he used the word “atheists” instead of this “nonbeliever” crap.. but I guess it will do.
I prefer nonbeliever over atheist.
nonbeliever brings less credibility to believers, because believers shows their foolishness right in the word.
Huh? I can’t make any sense out of that.
Would the media or anyone else apologizing and making excuses for that psycho have done that if he weren’t Muslim? You can bet no one would tiptoe around like that if they weren’t scared of being labeled “Islamophobe.”
Is this a tragedy that political correctness had a hand in?
I love Obama for mentioning non-believers in a positive light. I realize he may be doing so for practical reasons (re: increasing voting group), but I still find it very heartening.
Who is making apologizing or making excuses and for what?
If for whatever reason, the USA entered into military conflict with the foreign nation Israel, could we count on all the Jews in the US military to support and not sabotage the operation?
Good question. I think that there is no doubt that there are many american citizens that have greater loyality to Israel than the US.
I hope both of you realize that was the same excuse they used for the Japanese internment camps in WWII?
Yes I do realize that is the same excuse. But I am not advocating that anyone be imprisoned. I simply think that people like Dave Silverman and Joe Lieberman are being incredibly reckless and transparent when the try to whip up islamobogeyman hysteria.
Yeah, I’m betting the tons of bad press doesn’t help matters there.
Prey tell, how is reporting on an actual Muslim who went crackers & actually killed a bunch of people scaremongering exactly?
No. It doesn’t help. The media that hypes the islamobogeyman is the same media that hyped the threat of Iraq and Afghanistan. A bunch of bigots against Arabs and Persians.
It’s worse than “scare mongering”. This is a media that over looks the severity of the war crimes committed by an american president and can’t seem to understand when arabs and persians get really really pissed about it.
So your solution is…what? Don’t report these things? That can’t be your argument.
I agree that Dubya is & should be tried for war crimes. But the fact remains that Muslims do receive bad press, & this example isn’t isolated. It occurs constantly. In fact, hardly a week goes by when we don’t hear of someone going apeshit in the name of Allah. Or crazy in the name of kee-rist.
Claiming the race card doesn’t change the stats.
My solution is for the media to treat xian murders in the same manner they are this muslim. And if the media can’t bring themselves to do so then they should be recognized for what they are – purveyors of paranoia.
Yes but they do not prod and poke into xian’s lives to determine how religion may have influenced their bad behavior – like supporting of an Invasion that killed 100s of thousands or actually doing the killing. The media’s selective diligence is what fuels the xian bloodlust in the US.
Dave Silverman is a purveyor of paranoia as well.
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You’re kidding, right? There are plenty of people with both Israeli and US citizenship. Has anybody ever polled them to about who they would be loyal to under varying or even specific circumstances? I don’t know. But the fact remains that they are citizens of both countries with loyalties to each.
No, I’m not kidding. You make a claim, you need to present evidence. You don’t have evidence, that’s a bald assertion.
Back up your claim. It’s what I say to everyone when I disagree w/them. Regardless, atheist or no.
I did back up my claim. THEY HAVE CITIZENSHIP IN BOTH COUNTRIES and loyalties to each. Do I need bigger font?
No, you didn’t. Your original claim is:
Can you prove that?
Like I said they have loyalties to each. With out additional information one must assume that the loyalties will be evenly split (bayesian perspective on probability). QED.
A. You changed your goalposts, &
B. I was hoping for something more substantial than shooting your mouth off.
I didn’t change the goal posts one single bit and I proved my assertion is reasonable.
So, to recap: 1st you say:
AND THEN YOU SAY:
If that’s not changing goalposts, I don’t know what is.
Furthermore, w/o actually case studies, a list of 20 or more American-born Jews who’ve betrayed America for Israel (proven, not accused), or something more than your ugly bit of stereotyping, I’d suggest you drop this line of discussion, as you aren’t even close to being the victor.
Can you read the very quotes that you think are goal post changers? I said SOME not all. QED
But you can prove exactly zero. What is the sum of some?
The only thing you’ve demonstrated, is a weak grasp of logic. & a decided bias against Jews.
Half of many is usual many. Are you daft.
Did you that I could convert to Judaism and then travel to Israel thereby, whether I petition for it or not, becoming an Israeli citizen. At what point does my race change? You are a ridiculous person.
Great Jewish American patriots the rosenbergs,mr.j.pollard,richard perle,douglas feith.AIPAC they are so patriotic they put american first in their name.
Give up KA, jews are loyal to jews and israel and you know it.
So, you’re lumping in communist traitors w/republican administrators & a pro-Israel lobby? How stupid are you, precisely?
Oh, how nice of you to declare complete omniscience on the subject. I’ll be happy to concede that once you can present evidence that at least 60% of Jewish Americans would turn on their native country in a heartbeat. Can you prove that? Or is this some more of those streaking hairless assertions you so love to bandy about w/o backing them up.
Or are you convinced this country belongs solely to the white man?
how many federal dollars and the latest military technology goes to support Israel?….I understand that without this support the Stupid Islamic Religion would destroy the Stupid Jewish Religion….and the Stupid Christian Religion has a special place in their heart only because its the birth place of their dead guy on a stick….
cant we just move all the jesus dirt to Utah next to the Mormons or something….I think in the long run it would be allot cheaper….
There. I’ve illustrated just how ignorant & racist your statement is.
That’s nonsense KA. How many american blacks do you know with dual citizenship in US and some african country?
Suggesting that Jews will betray America out of allegiance to Israel is racist bullshit. Israel has an open citizenship clause, where any Jew can immigrate (or visit) Israel as a citizen w/o the process of naturalization. To infer that anyone of Jewish descent will become a traitor because of their ethnicity, especially w/o any evidence whatsoever that this has happened regularly, is a particularly ugly stereotype, & should be challenged & shouted down.
So put up, or STFU.
Nobody mentioned ethnicity but you. That means you are the racist! Whats more jews are not a race. That means you are ignorant and an obfuscator.
Dual citizenship means dual loyalty and therefore the expected splitting of loyalty during conflict. Pick fights you have a chance of winning.
Did I write or imply such a thing? What is wrong with you?
You sure as fuck did, junior. You’ve hinted as much. So, it’s okay to say any fucking thing you want about Jews, but it’s racist to report on actual Muslim bad behavior?
Nice fucking double standard you have there.
Wow, you are a moron.
Race:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
That’s FOUR definitions, & the jews fit into all of them.
So – in effect 6.4 million people can’t be trusted to side w/America because they’re Jewish?!?!?
Who’s the racist here?
No doubt in my mind who’s bleeding on the mat here.
Here’s my last correction to you. Ethnicity means:
I very carefully used the phrase ‘ethnicity’, which includes, but isn’t defined, by race.
You may want to actually understand words before you use them.
Sorry KA but anybody can convert to a judiasm and THAT alone will make said person a jew. So it is not a race. You lose. No contest.
I have no idea why you are supplying the definition of “ethnicity” since, as I said before, “nobody mentioned ethnicity but you”. LOL
I never said, I never wrote and I never hinted at it because I don’t think it’s true.
Stop misrepresenting other’s arguments.
Excuse me, but you can also be Jewish if your mother is a Jew. So yes, it’s also a race as well as a religion. So no, you lose, mostly due to your narrow perspective.
Because Jewish is an ethnicity.
???? Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Do I need to diagram your sentences for you? If true, why are you still belaboring the point?
I suggest you re-read YOUR posts, & see where I got that idea. It’s probably right here.
I’m doing no such thing. Practice some self-awareness. Or man up, & apologize for screwing the pooch.
Your last post was ridiculous. My mother is a lot of things that I am not. For example … a woman.
Yo mama – passes on genetic characteristics of her race to you.
I could convert to Judiasm. I could even travel to Israel thereafter and become, whether I petition for it or not (Israel’s sneaky Law of Return), an Israeli citizen. At what point would my race change. Ridiculous little fella.
Argh. How stupid are you? Do you know why they call jew-haters anti-Semitic? Because jews are a member of the Semite race. You’ve also conveniently skipped over my definition of ‘race’ that I provided from the dictionary.
You can convert. You can also be born a Jew. That makes us both correct.
Are you joking?
Is is impossible to actually love 2 countries? Why couldn’t a Jewish person love both USA amd Israel? I’ve loved 2 men at the same time. It wasn’t so hard, kinda fun. But I was quite young at the time. Oh the memories:)
Good question.
Oooh, quite erotic.
As Freud once said, “Oh, to be Jung again!”
If one those two men ask you to choose between them then you can’t love both. Duh!
reason, you have to be careful with zionist fanatic KA, he gets people banned from some sites for criticizing Israel.
Besides suspected traitors like Perle, Feith, and company, there are many others, like Wolfowitz. Seymour Hersh in his biography of Kissinger, already identified Perle as an Israeli agent. I suggest you go to youtube or google video and look up the BBC program “The Power of Nightmares”. Guess who the majority of neo-conservatives are.
Its not just KA. It is American Atheist that is doing the banning!
From Today’s Headlines
Another financial terrorist:
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AB41C20091112
This believer has a synagogue named after him but you will never see Dave Silverman blog about this religious terrorist as he did not blog about Madoff or his long list of jewish co-conspirators.
Dave is a bigot. AA is a organization built upon reason not unjustifiable bigotry. Dave Silverman should leave AA.
How is this guy a terrorist? He didn’t point a gun @ anyone, or blow himself up, or harm children. I agree that David should do a post on this (as well as the ongoing Madoff debacle), but incendiary rhetoric doesn’t help matters.
He is as much an economic terrorist as this army psychiatrist is a homicidal terrorist.
Of course I don’t think either is a terrorist.
A swing & a miss!
A. I’m not a fanatic,
B. People get themselves banned, &
C. I’ve never ever said Israel was above criticism.
Could you just outline how these folks are traitors, exactly?
Can we trust Hersh? He is, after all, Jewish, ergo a potential traitor, according to some of the dimmer folks here.
I suggest you alleviate your abbreviated attention span by actually looking up the facts instead of cherry-picking sound bytes from the internet equivalent of the Nat’l Enquirer.
“People get themselves banned”. You are such a joke.
Hey, you’re new here, so you don’t know how long my fuse is.
I knew you would call me on that. Well, eventually I did have to choose, and my choice was based on proximity–the one I was physically closest to. It did not put the kabash on my love for the other (and I actually pined for him a bit). Again, I was young and learning the rules of engagement. It seemed in this case, my loyalty was demanded by others. I would’ve been happy loving them both, at least until some other im/explosion.