RE: (Germany) Honor Killing Novel Cancelled for Fear of Muslim Retaliation
The author of the book contacted me to let me know that the sentence I quoted is incorrect. I quoted, “You can shove the Koran up your ass!”
The correct sentence in the book is, “You can shove the Koran…” The character saying that is interrupted by another character who says, “Shut up! That’s enough!”
The author also advises that she found a publisher and the book will be published.
Our most sincere apologies to the author for misquoting the book and our gratitude for the author contacting us and advising of us the error.
Posted by Blair Scott
With such lame thread topics like this, it’s no wonder the traffic on this blog has evaporated and the blog itself has become as aimless as the religion it represents…
Atheism is not a religion, any more than denying the existence of dragons is a mythology. The capacity to discern the truth from invention is not a religion, it is judgement.
OT
More black homophobia in the news this week:
http://www.advocate.com/Society/Education/Theres_No_One_Way_to_Be_a_Morehouse_Man/
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/23/Magic_and_Isiah_Feud_over_Gay_Rumors/
More evidence of religiously motivated white homophobia:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Thank you Blair for the correction.
jcc
When did atheism become a religion? And how is the very real issue of honor killing a lame topic.
Godless Sodomite
Durham is like the paris or vienna of north carolina correct?
When people started believing in it.
I didn’t say that it was. Did you not read the entire title of the thread and what the “correction” consisted of?
GROAN – this tired, retard trope again? I believe the sun will rise in the morning – does that make me a Sunny-ist, or a Morningist? I believe in gravity, that makes me a graviteist? & I believe that I’ll have a healthy bowel movement tomorrow morning – well, that makes me a Resplendent Movementist (unless it doesn’t happen…& my faith shattered).
& again – atheism, not a religion. A tiresome conversation, your tu quoque, & becoming schizophrenic indeed, for insisting on something several hundred times makes it no less false than the 1st utterance.
jcc,
Then that just means that both of us have a religion that doesn’t have a god. You see, you Christians have something in common with us atheists.
You’re tellin’ me… a conversation in which you’ve yet to prove that atheism is not a belief system about the existence of God… a conversation in which you were caught making such an embarrassingly feeble (and ultimately futile) attempt to show that it’s not a religion that you ended up deleting your own post.
It’s the lack of belief in the supernatural.
That’s really not what happened, but I can always count on you to misrepresent & misinterpret.
& insulting that you think I’m that stupid.
atheist_republican:
Hmmm, an interesting statement of faith…nevertheless, I’m glad to see you concur that atheism is a religion.
So tell me. In light of your moniker, can you tell me the source of your ostensive conservatism?
Atheism has always been a religion, by definition. It assumes facts not in evidence. That the universe sprang into existence without a single equation that makes it plausible. Matter to the order of billions of tons multiplied by unimaginable orders of magnitude sprung into existence due to a what? A quantum event? Explainable by what mathematical equation?
Atheist hunches are no different from belief in biblical prophecy. When you believe in something that cannot be proven by science, you are just a deluded fool. Those who think they “know” are the most comical and pathetic wannabe freethinkers of all. The only fact that any of us know is that “I exist”, and the rest is a presumption. Any self aware person will admit that.
NeoWolfe
That makes 2 of you wrong.
Said 1 madman to the next, “Why do you seem saner than I?”
That’s nonsense.
Here, educate yourself:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/einstein/node7.html
So…since we don’t have a belief in the supernatural, we need to provide definitive answers for the beginning of the universe? Are you kidding me?
The Big Bang isn’t a religious belief. It’s a common consensus among experts using the available evidence they have.
Really, do you just cook up these comments up w/o trying to do some research? Still impressed by the teleological argument, are you?
You do know none – that is zero, zilch, zip, or nada in any language – of those ‘prophecies’ ever came true? & again, it’s a lack of belief in the supernatural. That’s it. Anything else w/in reason’s up for debate.
Like what? You’ve got something better than what the scientific experts have? Go thee hence, & collect thy Nobel Prize.
Careful, lest ye become Yin to JCC’s Yang. (I find this sort of vague absolutism truly obnoxious.)
Well jcc, we have put our lack of beliefs on the line for you to criticize, why not put your beliefs out for the world to see. Tell us of your zombie master, his three headed father/self.
You seem good at launching attacks, lets talk about you now.
I have…it’s called Christianity.
Not really. I’m far more likely to be attacked here.
I’m pretty boring. I’d rather talk about your atheism.
the lack of belief in the supernatural = BELIEF in the supernatural not existing
Me thinkest thou dost protest too much. In fact, me knoweth thou dost protest too much.
agreed, you are boring and that is directly proportionate to your Christianity, but your being attacked here is in fact people just commenting on your rants.
A great man once said ( I think it was me) if atheism is a faith then health is a disease.
gary Mueller says,” if atheism is a faith then health is a disease.”
Well said, gary.
In order to overcome the false arguments that jcc and his ilk make re a’theism(without theism) being erroneously converted into a BELIEF re theism, I have chosen, when pressed to pigeon-hole myself, to decribe myself as a “meta’theist”, by which I intend to connote that I have used reason and logic to EVOLVE “beyond”(meta) any theism.
This is not unlike what occurs when most humans EVOLVE beyond believing in Santa Claus, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy.
Empirically none of these entities have existence, and those who hold on to the last vestige—a transcedant sky king—of mysticism are “believers” in their various brands of theism. On the other hand, those who do not make “belief” any part of their intellectual calculus can not be converted into “believers in or about religion, theism or the supernatural” simply because others are incapable of evolving beyong their own belief paradigm.
That is, the FACT that Santa, the E.Bunny, the T. fairy do NOT exist in no way can be contorted by belief-adherents to a ” belief system about the existence of (Santa,the EBunny or the TFairy)”.
jcc; let me ask you this: Do you have any beliefs about, “07fj5673k50l5*h%#”?
“yes” or “no”?
If “yes” what is the basis of such?
Yes, I do. I believe it to be a meaningless string of alpha-numeric characters randomly arranged.
The FACT may very well be that it is “a meaningless string of alpha-numeric characters randomly arranged”
Your saying you “believe” such is as irrelevant as you saying you “believe” anything alse, including any belief about a diety imagined by you or any other earthlings.
On the other hand, the FACT may be that it’s a simple substitution code. But, again your BELIEF is irrelevant to reality.
I will note, however, how willing you are to “believe” ANYTHING, rather than engage in rational, reasoned analysis.
Nice try, Sherlock, but only you got caught in your cutsie little “trap.” My answering what I believed your string represented was only relevant to your silly question that was designed to try to make me look the fool and had absolutely nothing to do with what I believe to be true about the existence of God.
Get a clue. Faith and belief are two different animals. Your little test failed to show anything about me or my faith.
And in case you haven’t noticed, up ’til now, I’ve pretty much ignored your pompous pap because of your inability to engage in a mature, reasoned discussion.
To the contrary, jcc, your answer demonstrated EXACTLY what was expected from a BELIEVER, who is cognitively incapable of differentiating his own BELIEF PARADIGM from reality.
Your answer that you “believe it is a meaningless string…” evinces that you are predisposed to believe ANYTHING, and lack rational temperment to make reasoned observation. Live in your wittle belief paradigm with Santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, meaningless strings, and your transcendant sky-king, with or without his, her, its “trinity” and with or without his, her , its, your “dualism”.
Just don’t try to convince anyone else that they must share your delusions , folie a deux.
jcc, claims that his BELIEF about a string of symbols has”absolutely nothing to do with what I believe to be true about the existence of God.”
However, jcc, the point is your BELIEF about a god are no more relevant to reality than your belief about a string of symbols.
Rational people understand that. Deluded people BELIEVE their DELUSIONS are reality!
The ENTIRE universe has functioned, is functioning and will continue to function UTTERELY WITHOUT REGARD to what a DELUDED earthling using the web moniker, jcc, BELIEVES about ANYTHING.
Boo-YAH! Faith is the core of religion, belief need not be religious.
What I’ve been saying all along.
Oh dear. Once again, belief is cheap. It costs one nothing to believe something is true. You believe evolution is true despite the utter lack of supporting scientific evidence for it; you believe atheism is true despite the overwhelming evidence of design in the universe and your own consciousness. The only thing you have invested in those beliefs is the emotional satisfaction they give you to rage against God. But those beliefs cannot provide you with hope when you’re afraid or comfort when you’re lonely. They’re only beliefs–and beliefs are the foundation of a religious mindset. Your atheist religion will not tolerate the concept of a competing idea regarding the origin of life; it will not tolerate allowing for the existence of God. Thoughts and behaviors confined by dogma is the realm of the religious–and atheism requires that of its adherents.
But when you finally realize those beliefs are wrong, you’ll change them and when you do, your religious brethren will ostracize you.
Faith, on the other hand, is expensive. In order for it to be faith one must act on it. Are you willing to die for the sake of evolution? Are you willing to die to show that God does not exist? Faith is what relationships are built on; faith is the glue that makes trust possible. To have faith in something–someone–costs one dearly because it requires vulnerability. If you’re not willing to risk vulnerability and walk in faith for something then the only alternative is to cower in mere belief.
jcc: your xtian atheism, triune demonism, cannot be rectified by your faith or your works.
???
Well, who can argue with that?–such searing logic, and articulate, point-by-point, destruction of my theses–wow!, what an “engage[d]… rational, reasoned analysis.”
You believe all the lies you tell yourself & us.
After all these years…you’ve learned nothing here. The rage is directed against the lies perpetuated of a higher power, but not the higher power that doesn’t exist.
The only cure for that is other people – not imaginary friends.
Your constant insistence that everyone’s religious makes you look the fool.
It’s not a religion, nor is there a ‘competing idea’ – & any of the evidence you bring about the latter (re: existence) can be explained w/o the supernatural.
Is anyone willing to die for reality’s sake? Are you fucking joking?
But of course, in your book, ALL faith is religious.
It’s not.
What dreck. In someone, yes. In something, no.
Yeah, that may impress the gullible, but you can preach that nonsense on some other mountain.
‘Cower in mere belief’. Do you have any more mindless nonsense you want to peddle, or are you all done?
…and luckily, someone is always there for anyone who needs that comfort—and that someone is always able to completely meet those needs…yes, it’s up to us and we’re up to the task… Oh, to have your boundless, irrepressible, realistic, Pollyanna faith that your fellow man can fulfill our every emotional need!
Not everyone, just those who’ve enslaved themselves to it.
How dutifully said Winston, now remember what 2 + 2 equals?
Uh, yeah… refresh my memory on how the specified complexity of DNA is explained “naturally?”
No. I say that the divinity of Jesus is a reality–and if you were to put a gun to my head to get me to recant, I’ll die before doing so. Show some guts, are you willing to do the same for evolution?
Maybe your reading comprehension has been the problem all along…
Oh, so evolution is a “reality” but in the grand scheme of things, not so important after all. Nope, we believe in it all right, but when push comes to shove, we’re not willing to get our hair mussed-up for it…
“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”
Thomas Jefferson Jan 8,1789 letter to Richard Price
It’s not optimally 100%, but it beats imagining it.
& people say I’m a cynic.
Are your shackles comfy, or do they need loosening? Luckily, I run free.
But when pointed out that DNA doesn’t even come close to operating optimally, the hand-waving can be heard by itself.
A willingness to die for something isn’t an indicator of truth. Otherwise the WTC would be standing today.
& no, why would I die for scientific facts? Why should I? That someone would be willing to perform that test (or even ask it) tells me that religion has rotted too many brains.
Your constant shrill insistence that atheism is a religion, & evolution being a tenet of said ‘religion’, no, my comprehension is just fine.
Dude, just stay out of the public schools, & nobody’s hair needs to get mussed up.
Really, I need to defend reality w/my life? That pain medication’s having some serious affects.
Oh I see… it only correctly encodes some of time.
Didn’t say it was—but it’s indisputably an indicator of faith.
We can keep going in circles as long as needed—what facts? Still waiting on that new species created by experiment…
Gotta prove it’s real, first.
What pain medication?…projecting your meth experiences are we now?
Actually, it doesn’t encode @ all – nothing’s directing it.
But willingness to die for ‘faith’ is still not any indicator of anything past the holder’s stubbornness.
It’s been done, & represented. Not my problem, your inability to accept the facts.
None so blind as those who won’t listen.
That was 22 years ago.
Your delusions of holding an upper hand are just that – delusions.
My mistake…should have said something along the lines of “then it wasn’t properly encoded to begin with,” but that would still fail to address your either willful mischaracterization or colossally ignorant assertion that “DNA doesn’t even come close to operating optimally.”
No it hasn’t. Mules aren’t new species.
I’m not the one following marching orders and “not listening.”
Not trying to get the upper-hand—just fightin’ fire with fire. If you can’t stand a dose of your own medicine then shut up.
I’m not wrong, so that’s a colossal miss.
Wasn’t talking about mules. Another colossal miss.
You’re religious – so yes you are.
Like there’s any comparison.
Another miss. Wasn’t talking about that, either.
Well, little mouse? Cat have your tongue? No response?
I’ll take that as forfeit then.
“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”
Thomas Jefferson
That’s an interesting quote, because when I did exhaustive investigation four years ago, there was absolutely no such quote, nor did TJ ever speak up for or against atheism.
KA try googling — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price from Paris, January 8, 1789–
Yahweh, I know how to google, thanks. Nor do I need to be inundated piles of paragraphs.
I’ve noticed that there seems to be a lot more ‘evidence’ from the founding fathers where there was none 4 years ago – strange.
KA: insofar as why their is more quotes from the Founders,I think more info becomes available as more data is digitally processed on the web and as search engines improve.
Insofar as why I copied/pasted several paragraphs, it was to demonstrate I had no lifted the quote out of context.
In the event such was too burdensome to read or in the event you, or anyone, wanted to read the source document, I later provided the link.
insofar as why there are …
(I really need to use the “preview” feature)
JCC’s points are as follows: If you have ‘faith’ in anything, it’s a religion. If you have a set of ‘beliefs’ (regardless of how much obvious evidence you have for proving any or all of them), again, it’s a religion. Ergo, everyone’s religious. & of course, if a person dies for a set of ‘beliefs’, somehow that ennobles that set of beliefs (ergo, the Halley-Bopp cult obviously was onto something, so self-castration & suicide had to mean something).
& like most psychic vultures, he uses the negative emotions as some sort of lure to what he considers ‘the light’, being as he imagines himself to be a ‘fisher of men’.
You are correct KA. Because jcc BELIEVES he arrogantly, yet falsely and erroneously, assumes everyone else has similar shackles on his/her mind.
For example, my eyes and other tactile senses,chemical electrical energy in my head leads me to REASONABLY conclude an “object” we call a “hammer” exists. Reason tells me it can be uses as a prise, a fulcrum,a doorstop, a paperweight, as a weapon, or as a driver to fix nails in the wrists and feet of common bronze age criminals.
But no amount of REASON will make me BELIEVE any of those criminals is/are a diety or that the robe of one, the wood holding the nails, or the hammer, itself, are sacred icons of a babyearthgod…or that such is otherwise ANYTHING other than a simple hammer.
jcc is mentally incapable of differentiating reality from (make)BELIEVE; just like chimpanzees are currently incapable of mentally performing calculus,composing a symphony, or launching vehicles into space.
“To Richard Price Paris, January 8, 1789
DEAR SIR,
– I was favored with your letter of October 26th, and far from finding any of its subjects uninteresting as you apprehend, they were to me, as everything which comes from you, pleasing and instructive. I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. Your opinions and writings will have effect in bringing others to reason on this subject. Our new Constitution, of which you speak also, has succeeded beyond what I apprehended it would have done. I did not at first believe that eleven States out of thirteen would have consented to a plan consolidating them as much into one. A change in their dispositions, which had taken place since I left them, had rendered this consolidation necessary, that is to say, had called for a federal government which could walk upon its own legs, without leaning for support on the State legislatures. A sense of necessity, and a submission to it, is to me a new and consolatory proof that, whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights. You say you are not sufficiently informed about the nature and circumstances of the present struggle here. Having been on the spot from its first origin, and watched its movements as an uninterested spectator, with no other bias than a love of mankind, I will give you my ideas of it. Though celebrated writers of this and other countries had already sketched good principles on the subject of government, yet the American war seems first to have awakened the thinking part of this nation in general from the sleep of despotism in which they were sunk. The officers too who had been to America, were mostly young men, less shackled by habit and prejudice, and more ready to assent to the dictates of common sense and common right. They came back impressed with these. The press, notwithstanding its shackles, began to disseminate them; conversation, too, assumed new freedom; politics became the theme of all societies, male and female, and a very extensive and zealous party was formed, which may be called the Patriotic party, who, sensible of the abusive government under which they lived, longed for occasions of reforming it. This party comprehended all the honesty of the kingdom, sufficiently at its leisure to think; the men of letters, the easy bourgeois, the young nobility, partly from reflection, partly from mode; for those sentiments became a matter of mode, and as such united most of the young women to the party. Happily for the nation, it happened that, at the same moment, the dissipations of the court had exhausted the money and credit of the State, and M. de Calonnes found himself obliged to appeal …”
KA, a link to a collection of Jefferson letters:
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jeflxx.htm