Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to stop playing nice with professional liars and the fools who follow them.
On Thursday, May 7, 2009, members of the Congressional Prayer Caucus will hold a press conference in Washington, DC to launch a new effort at passing the “America’s Spiritual Heritage” resolution, formerly known as HR 888.
Introduced by Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA.), the measure would put Congress on record to “Recognize that the religious foundations of faith on which America was built are critical underpinnings of our Nation’s most valuable institutions…” It would also decree establishment of a “Religious Heritage Week” “for the appreciation of and education of America’s history of religious faith.”
Among the religious right luminaries slated to appear at Thursday’s conference are Gary Bauer (“American Values”); Maureen Wiebe (American Association of Christian Schools); Wendy Wright (Concerned Women for America); and William Murray (Religious Freedom Coalition); and James and Shirley Dobson (Focus on the Family). The event is schedule to coincide with ceremonies marking the National Day of Prayer, a Dobson-run event.
The whole text, repugnantly held on house.gov
Our Action Alert
We’re approaching this from two sides.
First, there is no reason for this bill to be discussed on Capitol Hill. This country has very big problems, and breaking the law so that some congresspeople can kiss the ass of those PROFESSIONAL LIARS is a waste of time, money, and valuable resources. This country needs to progress past the 19th century. For that reason, the above Action Alert is for all Americans to contact your congressperson to urge him to reject this tremendously misleading revisionist bill and concentrate on important REAL matters of state.
Second, while we do NOT support federal involvement, there is always room for nonprofit educational organizations like us to remind people of the truth — to educate them in exactly how negative the impact of religion has been on society. To that end, we are having a press conference, open to the public, on May 7th at our HQ in Cranford NJ at 7pm, during which I will detail some (A VERY SMALL PORTION) of the negative impacts religion has had on American society. I’ll start with Slavery, Woman’s rights, stem cells, forced tithing via taxation, etc, and go on from there.
CONTEST! A free Richard Dawkins DVD (A brief History of Disbelief) will be mailed out to the top 2 people who:
1) Complete one of the actions in the action item. That is, call or write your congressperson or write a letter to your newspaper. We’ll take your word for it if you did it, but is IS a requirement
2) Give the best example (first prize) or the MOST examples (Second prize) of the negative impacts of religion in American History. We’re not doing this to BE negative, we’re doing this because the “Dobson Bill” is one-sided, and true education shows both sides of the issue. We need to balance this out, all in the name of education and truth. So give us lots of education and truth.
TIME FRAME — TWO DAYS. This contest will be over on May 7th at 5pm EST. Winners will be chosen by me or other AA officials and announced on this thread and at the press conference, and the winners’ submissions will be read at the press conference. DVDs will be sent out immediately. I reserve the right to send out more DVDs if I choose multiple winners!
Again, you MUST perform an action from the action alert to qualify for this contest, as well as submit idea on this thread.
Have fun, provide support, and don’t forget our Atheist Quote Generator if you need a reference!
Wow, jcc – you’ve posted your plaintive cry on several threads just to make sure that everybody sees it and feels sorry for you (like that’s going to happen). Aw, poor baby – is him not able to make him daily quota of posts? Is him going to lose jesus points if him doesn’t keep up? Does him not have a life anywhere else?
Yeesh. If you and your ilk were going to be blacklisted it would have happened years ago, cuz your mindless crap has never changed over time.
Sorry, folks. I try not to feed the trolls, but it’s getting pretty deep in here.
gary Mueller,
Thanks for the popsicle wisdom
KA
Phreeky’s consolation prize can be seen at:
http://chuckk.sacreddigital.com/td.jpg
jcc:
I suggest you try ipconfig /release.
I was actually blacklisted as a possible spammer – I emailed David a coupla times, cleaned out my cache, did all sorts of nonsense. I then did the ipconfig thing & restarted my DSL modem, & boom-shakalaka boom, back in.
phreddy:
Errr…not since the S/W changeover.
If you’re hinting that I’ve deleted posts, haven’t been able to since the swap to wordpress.
I think I’m still being moderated. Testing, since I haven’t been online in a couple of days.
Yes, yes! I’m still being moderated. Oh Dave, why hast thou forsaken me?
Folks, I don’t know why these posts are going to moderation. NOBODY has been blacklisted. I don’t WANT this — it appears to be an issue with which we have to deal.
Try Krystalline’s idea and release your IP address. maybe reset your cable modems. That may do it!
Krys:
Ok, my last post seems to have cleared moderation after I released my IP address.
Thanks for the help!
Well, maybe not. Seems I posted too soon; I’m still awaiting moderation.
Washington DC blacks and marriage equality:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/597778.aspx
I apologise for posting a CBN video but it makes my point for me.
E-mailed my Senators and Rep.
Okay, the funny thing about cats is that they like warm spots and are fascinated by the human face. Because of this, it was not uncommon in times long ago to see a cat perched on a recently dead body, staring at its face. People came to associate cats with witchcraft and then the church started killing people for witchcraft (using cat-ownership as proof) and this led to cats not being very welcome in Midieval Europe. Lacking natural predators, black rats spread and, with them, the black death wiped out much of Europe.
This is all true, by the way.
Fast forward to America. The Massachussettes Bay Company seal featured an Indian saying “Come Over and Help Us”. “Help” was, of course, intepretted to mean “civilize” which connoted “convert”. So the Puritans came and brought diseases with them. Europeans bred for disease resistance (thanks to the plague) and aggression (thanks in no small part to the Inquisition).
The Native Americans, unlike the Europeans, bathed regularly and didn’t have any large cities where the streets ran with urine and feces (the Church didn’t care much for sanitation either) So when the filthy, infectious Puritans arrived, the Indians survived contact at a rate of about 5% (meaning 95% died). See, they had not bred for disease resistance. They had crossed into America through Alaska (germs don’t like the cold) without livestock (germs like livestock). Their immune systems didn’t stand a chance. Puritans would find whole communities and farms abandoned because the natives had all died.
So, Christianity contributed to America by wiping out the people that lived here, through biological warfare brought facilitated by poor hygiene and the fear of cats.
Well played, god, well played.
Kurt
godless sodomite says:
No, it doesn’t.
The homophobia comes from fundamentalist religion, not from anybody’s skin color. How long is it going to take you to get that into your head?
David Silverman says:
What does that mean?
Use the force, Luke!
What:
Hey, now that was hi-sterical!
NSF:
Hey good luck. I’ve tried to reason w/GS – he’s pretty much anti-everybody that isn’t a white boy.
jcc – what’s your take on the SOCAS, anyways? Seems you’re very silent on the topic. Phreddy won’t listen to me because…well, I’m an atheist, so I’m always wrong no matter what.
OK, Monkeys Uncle, Tarma, and Brother Chaos win DVDs! Thanks! Send me your addresses, and we’ll put them in the mail.
ALSO — our blogmaster has added a whitelist, which I didn’t have before, so the whole moderation thing should (hopefully) go away. Thanks for your patience!
Thanks, Dave. Way cool. I hadn’t written to Ron Paul previously – so it will be interesting to see if I get more than the usual form letter reply, which is what I get from my current Senators (unfortunately), John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison. Now, there are some deaf ears.
Testing whitelist.
STILL “awaiting moderation”.
It has you on the whitelist, and acknowledges that you’re on the whitelist, but you’re still in moderation. Working on it!
Krys:
It’s a concept not explicitly enumerated in the Constitution—a fabrication of the secular humanists who have distorted the Establishment and Exercise clauses of the First Amendment into somehow meaning that the free exercise of religion is expressly prohibited within the government or on government property—activities which are clearly not prohibited anywhere in the Constitution. The principal architect of the Constitution, James Madison, was a devout Christian and acknowledged in many of his writings the need for a self-governing people to not only acknowledge but understand the nature of Whom their liberty is derived.
Thanks for asking.
Doesn’t need to be. BOR, amendments anyone?
& here I was hoping you’d be more rational than phreddy on this.
For the sake of equilibrium, the govt. needs to be neutral on the matter. So nobody’s allowed to ‘exercise religion’. That means Hindus, Muslims, etc.
& clearly not given cart blanche in it either.
But none of that is in the Constitution. Wait – ‘understand the nature’? Wow, that’s…just ridiculous. You people can’t even agree on the ‘nature’ of the invisible daddy.
Sorry I asked.
Huh? Sorry, but the Constitution is pretty clear about where it specifically forbids an activity—this is no different.
Sorry to disappoint, but I see no flaw in my rationale.
Where is that requirement in the Constitution?
It is…that was the purpose of the First Amendment
Hmmm. So despite the Exercise clause, to ensure “equilibrium” the government must deny everyone their explicit right it grants them in the FA to exercise their religion…now that’s “rational.”
Oh boy…that’s right up there with Uh-bama’s thinking the Constitution is a “list of negative liberties.”
Didn’t say it was. Implicit in that is Madison’s clear understanding that the only real path to liberty is an acknowledgement of a higher power and an understanding of its nature.
Yeah, sorta like the Constitution containing a mandate for “equilibrium”…
Yeah, too bad we can’t be as intellectually monolithic as all you atheists are about atheism.
Unfortunately, a lot of people who don’t hear what they wanted to hear have that same reaction.
Dave:
Even after clearing my IP cache and rebooting my modem/router, my comments still go into the “awaiting moderation” queue (though, this morning they seem to be posting within 30 minutes instead of 3 hours)…
They post when I OK them. It’s just a matter of how often I check. You ARE whitelisted, but it’s still not working.
JCC:
Uh, hello? ‘No religious test required for public office?’
Wow, wish you were kidding.
Doesn’t say either way, does it?
Joking, right? No, they’re not allowed to give special rights to any 1 religion, regardless.
Oh wow, that’s just fucking insulting on so many levels. Small wonder nobody likes you. So, we atheists aren’t ‘free’, since we don’t acknowledge your ‘higher power’.
Lemmee guess – you’d pass legislation against atheistic ideology if you could.
It’s implied…balances.
I’d settle for simply intellectual, but all that ideological crack you folks smoke really wrecks your neurons, apparently.
I’ve got quotes from FIVE PRESIDENTS acknowledging the reality of SOCAS, you & phreddy spin that into something YOU’D rather hear, & I’m in denial?
It’s been a while, but pot.kettle.black.
Right, so as usual, you libs take that as license to insert what suites your purposes.
Huh? You make the preposterous claim:
and you think I’m joking???
And nobody’s said that “they” should. This is all about the free exercise thereof.
Oh wow, and we certainly can’t allow anyone’s opinion to do that… especially after it’s been asked for…
Sadly, you’ll bang your head against the wall of natural consequences (and stupidly continue to do so) long before you’ll ever take my word for it.
You bet—and not only that, if I had my way, you’d be water-boarded 24/7 until you recant…
Yeah, just like everything else on your liberal wish-list.
Yeah. Under the seeming auspices of engaging in a reasoned debate, you ask for my opinion; I give it; it ain’t what you wanted to hear, so you turn skitzo and resort to your old tricks.
Same ol’ same ol’.
Bye.
dave,
I know I’m a loose cannon on deck, but, I think I contributed some food for thought here. Why am I still a proby??
NeoWolfe
Oh, & here’s James Madison, on church and state, BTW:
http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qmadison.htm
There – my point stands, regardless of the revisionists on this thread. Even the author was against nationalized religion. So the SOCAS stands as a reality.
K apos said:
“Even the author was against nationalized religion.”
Response: It’s like shooting fifty rounds into a corpse. I’m fairly certain he’s dead now, but do you want us to check for a pulse? We could put the paddles to it or have it bitten by a vampire, but I’m fairly sure that state religion is a dead issue. I could drive a stake through it’s heart, or chop it’s head off if it would make you sleep easier.
NeoWolfe
Mowgli:
There’s a problem you’re probably unaware of: there’s a whole lotta people who spout this crap about the Founding Fathers, that claim there is no SOCAS. So they twist up a paragraphs, mine a few quotes, & in general try to make it look like America’s ax xtian nation, & the FF created it to be like that.
They’re called Dominionists, & their conspiracy is out in the wide open.
Phreddy & JCC might protest, but they’re borderline, as far as I can tell.
So take some notes. That is, unless you’d prefer to be under the Western version of Sharia?
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KA said:
“So take some notes. That is, unless you’d prefer to be under the Western version of Sharia?”
Response: We do need to be forever vigilant, but, I don’t lose much sleep over the issue. There’s a reason why the first plug the founding fathers placed in a loophole was to make sure there was never a state religion. It was a freemason thing. It only cost a few hundred thousand early deaths to put the christians in line with civil rights in the civil war.
There’s nothing I have seen or heard that makes me think that the American society is moving away from freethought. What does concern me though, is that the unspeakable horror of war is a way of life in many parts of Africa, including Liberia, where the slaves went to rebuild their lives.
(NeoWolfe falls to his knees and sobs)
All this talk about James Madison and the forefathers… Madison also Said “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mindand unfits it for every noble enterprise”. Would you like another? “The appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, is contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment’”.
I have more…
Abe Lincoln “I am approached by religious men who are certain they represent the devine will. If god would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected to my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it DIRECTLY to me”. He also wrote a treatise against christianity, arguing that the bible was not god’s revelation and that Jesus was not the son of god..
Benjamin Franklin “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches”, “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason”
Thomas Jefferson “Question with boldness, even the existence of god”, “I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies”, Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man… perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind.. a mere contrivance for the clergy to filtch wealth and power to themselves”, I’ll end with this one… “State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine our civil rights… Erecting the ‘wall of separation between church and state,’ therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society”.
You see, comming from England, where the church “ruled” allowed our founding fathers the foresight to see the flaws in allowing the church to be involved with running the state..