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		<title>By: Show Me Some PROOF</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/05/03/adam-and-eve-were-set-up/comment-page-4#comment-101141</link>
		<dc:creator>Show Me Some PROOF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JCC you have to realize that any here referring to religion is referring to traditional SUPERSTITIOUS religions.
Substitute that word whenever you see religion from now on.

 I still believe that, by definition, atheism could be considered a religion, but what atheism really means is that we do not subscribe to superstitious groups that attempt to direct our actions.  As you can see on this blog, atheists/agnostics exist in varying degrees and we disagree with each other and a multitude of things.  That&#039;s the beauty of it: dissent is welcomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JCC you have to realize that any here referring to religion is referring to traditional SUPERSTITIOUS religions.<br />
Substitute that word whenever you see religion from now on.</p>
<p> I still believe that, by definition, atheism could be considered a religion, but what atheism really means is that we do not subscribe to superstitious groups that attempt to direct our actions.  As you can see on this blog, atheists/agnostics exist in varying degrees and we disagree with each other and a multitude of things.  That&#8217;s the beauty of it: dissent is welcomed.</p>
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		<title>By: jcc</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/05/03/adam-and-eve-were-set-up/comment-page-4#comment-101140</link>
		<dc:creator>jcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thot you said you were a geologist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I did.&lt;blockquote&gt;Now you’re claiming to have a degree in biology?&lt;/blockquote&gt;No.  About a third of the required course work for a geology degree deals directly with the sub-discipline of paleontology, which in turn, &lt;i&gt;assumes&lt;/i&gt; that Darwinian evolution is factual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thot you said you were a geologist.</p></blockquote>
<p>I did.<br />
<blockquote>Now you’re claiming to have a degree in biology?</p></blockquote>
<p>No.  About a third of the required course work for a geology degree deals directly with the sub-discipline of paleontology, which in turn, <i>assumes</i> that Darwinian evolution is factual.</p>
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		<title>By: jcc</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/05/03/adam-and-eve-were-set-up/comment-page-4#comment-101139</link>
		<dc:creator>jcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I never used the phrase, nor is that what I intended. I was referring to our last discussion on DNA.&lt;/blockquote&gt;As was I.  Please refresh my memory; if not junk, what else could you have meant by “DNA has so many problems w/it?”&lt;blockquote&gt;Quantum physics doesn’t match up w/the 4 macro force&lt;/blockquote&gt;Hmmm, but it doesn’t make the universe inherently unstable or completely unpredictable or incomprehensible either.&lt;blockquote&gt;there’s all kinds of design tradeoffs. It’s called evolution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Explain to me again how an &lt;i&gt;undirected&lt;/i&gt; process can consciously make use of such trade-offs?—let me guess: by “trial &amp; error?”  Yeah, like &lt;i&gt;that’s&lt;/i&gt; undirected; or better yet, like any species could actually survive such catastrophic “transitional” episodes that are so heavily weighted towards “error.”&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t be disingenuous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I’m not.&lt;blockquote&gt;There were LOADS of threads where I simply pointed out the holes in your logic, analogies, etc. You immediately attacked me personally.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Point ‘em out.  I’ve &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; launched an unprovoked personal “attack” on you or anybody else.&lt;blockquote&gt;Because life would be way easier.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Easier or effortless?&lt;blockquote&gt;No being a part of a hated minority&lt;/blockquote&gt;…&lt;i&gt;or a minority that hates&lt;/i&gt;…&lt;blockquote&gt;there’d be justice meted out&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yeah, like that &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; happens here.&lt;blockquote&gt;an afterlife, you know, all the benefits.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; pine for an afterlife.  Congratulations!  I knew deep down you were human after all.&lt;blockquote&gt;I said as much the last time, did I not?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not directly.  I just wanted to see it in writing—and to add another data point to my hypothesis that you allow your worldview to keep you blinded to the realities of certain things you despise.&lt;blockquote&gt;See, there you go again. Sitting in judgment&lt;/blockquote&gt;No judgement; an observation—hence my use of the word &lt;i&gt;apparently&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;blockquote&gt;Did it ever occur to you that some people simply aren’t religious?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Uh, yeah.  How many years have &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; been making that claim here?—and surely you’re not implying that about yourself?  Even Show Me Some Proof had to concede the inescapable conclusion: http://tinyurl.com/r43gnv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I never used the phrase, nor is that what I intended. I was referring to our last discussion on DNA.</p></blockquote>
<p>As was I.  Please refresh my memory; if not junk, what else could you have meant by “DNA has so many problems w/it?”<br />
<blockquote>Quantum physics doesn’t match up w/the 4 macro force</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm, but it doesn’t make the universe inherently unstable or completely unpredictable or incomprehensible either.<br />
<blockquote>there’s all kinds of design tradeoffs. It’s called evolution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Explain to me again how an <i>undirected</i> process can consciously make use of such trade-offs?—let me guess: by “trial &amp; error?”  Yeah, like <i>that’s</i> undirected; or better yet, like any species could actually survive such catastrophic “transitional” episodes that are so heavily weighted towards “error.”<br />
<blockquote>Don’t be disingenuous.</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m not.<br />
<blockquote>There were LOADS of threads where I simply pointed out the holes in your logic, analogies, etc. You immediately attacked me personally.</p></blockquote>
<p>Point ‘em out.  I’ve <b>never</b> launched an unprovoked personal “attack” on you or anybody else.<br />
<blockquote>Because life would be way easier.</p></blockquote>
<p>Easier or effortless?<br />
<blockquote>No being a part of a hated minority</p></blockquote>
<p>…<i>or a minority that hates</i>…<br />
<blockquote>there’d be justice meted out</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, like that <i>never</i> happens here.<br />
<blockquote>an afterlife, you know, all the benefits.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you <i>do</i> pine for an afterlife.  Congratulations!  I knew deep down you were human after all.<br />
<blockquote>I said as much the last time, did I not?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not directly.  I just wanted to see it in writing—and to add another data point to my hypothesis that you allow your worldview to keep you blinded to the realities of certain things you despise.<br />
<blockquote>See, there you go again. Sitting in judgment</p></blockquote>
<p>No judgement; an observation—hence my use of the word <i>apparently</i>.<br />
<blockquote>Did it ever occur to you that some people simply aren’t religious?</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, yeah.  How many years have <i>I</i> been making that claim here?—and surely you’re not implying that about yourself?  Even Show Me Some Proof had to concede the inescapable conclusion: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/r43gnv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/r43gnv</a></p>
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		<title>By: NotSoFast</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/05/03/adam-and-eve-were-set-up/comment-page-4#comment-101021</link>
		<dc:creator>NotSoFast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jcc:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think I do [understand evolution] (remember, I have a piece of paper from an accredited university with my name on it that says I do).&lt;/blockquote&gt;I thot you said you were a geologist. Now you&#039;re claiming to have a degree in biology?

What degree? From what &quot;accredited university&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jcc:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think I do [understand evolution] (remember, I have a piece of paper from an accredited university with my name on it that says I do).</p></blockquote>
<p>I thot you said you were a geologist. Now you&#8217;re claiming to have a degree in biology?</p>
<p>What degree? From what &#8220;accredited university&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Krystalline Apostate</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/05/03/adam-and-eve-were-set-up/comment-page-4#comment-100990</link>
		<dc:creator>Krystalline Apostate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yep, all that information just fell right into place the first time… and then there’s your “junk DNA”—which, as I suspected, isn’t turning out to be “junk” at all:&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Uh...I never used the phrase, nor is that what I intended. I was referring to our last discussion on DNA.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Huh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Quantum physics doesn&#039;t match up w/the 4 macro force
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hmmm, still clueless about the concept of “design tradeoffs,” huh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, there&#039;s all kinds of design tradeoffs. It&#039;s called evolution.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I go on a “personal attack?”—defending myself is now a “personal attack?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don&#039;t be disingenuous. There were LOADS of threads where I simply pointed out the holes in your logic, analogies, etc. You immediately attacked me personally.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Because life would be way easier. No being a part of a hated minority, there&#039;d be justice meted out, an afterlife, you know, all the benefits.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you implying that my Christian faith is an emotional choice?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I said as much the last time, did I not?
&lt;blockquote&gt;…for someone whose decision-making structure apparently descends from his worldview first rather than an objective survey of scientific possibilities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
See, there you go again. Sitting in judgment &amp; shitting on my head. 
Did it ever occur to you that some people &lt;b&gt;simply aren&#039;t religious&lt;/b&gt;? That simple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yep, all that information just fell right into place the first time… and then there’s your “junk DNA”—which, as I suspected, isn’t turning out to be “junk” at all:</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh&#8230;I never used the phrase, nor is that what I intended. I was referring to our last discussion on DNA.</p>
<blockquote><p>Huh?</p></blockquote>
<p>Quantum physics doesn&#8217;t match up w/the 4 macro force</p>
<blockquote><p>Hmmm, still clueless about the concept of “design tradeoffs,” huh?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, there&#8217;s all kinds of design tradeoffs. It&#8217;s called evolution.</p>
<blockquote><p>I go on a “personal attack?”—defending myself is now a “personal attack?”</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t be disingenuous. There were LOADS of threads where I simply pointed out the holes in your logic, analogies, etc. You immediately attacked me personally.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because life would be way easier. No being a part of a hated minority, there&#8217;d be justice meted out, an afterlife, you know, all the benefits.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are you implying that my Christian faith is an emotional choice?</p></blockquote>
<p>I said as much the last time, did I not?</p>
<blockquote><p>…for someone whose decision-making structure apparently descends from his worldview first rather than an objective survey of scientific possibilities.</p></blockquote>
<p>See, there you go again. Sitting in judgment &amp; shitting on my head.<br />
Did it ever occur to you that some people <b>simply aren&#8217;t religious</b>? That simple?</p>
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