SPEAK OUT AGAINST UN BLASPHEMY RESOLUTION, OTHER “SPECIAL RIGHTS” FOR RELIGION!
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ATHEISTS, SECULARISTS and anyone else concerned with freedom of speech is invited to a peaceful protest/picket next Saturday, March 28, 2009 at Dag Hammarsjold Plaza adjacent to the United Nations building in New York City.
The demo — sponsored jointly by American Atheists and New York City Atheists — protests a recent non-binding resolution passed by the UN General Assembly to combat “blasphemy” and any other verbal or printed comments unflattering to religious superstition and movements. The resolution was enacted at the behest of Pakistan, and enjoys widespread support from Islamist regimes in the Middle East. Many Christian, Jewish and other religious establishments, though, support the intent of the resolution, and want governments to insulate them from “insulting” or “hateful” remarks.
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jcc:
Well, you were the fellow who claimed, that to hate xtianity was to hate you, correct?
I don’t recall having those opinions.
…which it wasn’t.
Jericho was shown to have been uninhabited @ the timeline given: David & Solomon probably did exist, but we’re talking 10th CE mud huts, not opulent palaces & multiple concubines (OOOH! There’s that dratted book, violating your claim of ‘immutable morality’): all I recall on old Nebuch, is that he was promised Tyre, which was never delivered, & a prophecy that Egypt would be leveled & barren, which never happened: Herod I & II existed, but it can barely be proven that Pilate existed, let alone good old JC.
I love how people lower the standards for things they like, & create higher bars for the things they don’t. That, BTW, is the human condition, not restricted to the religious..
Please produce a shred of evidence that a man can live to 600 years, please..
What if the bible were written today…I bet the book of genesis would be just a tad bit updated with perhaps a REAL theory or two ….
To: JCC,
Because it didn’t kill everyone on the Earth as asserted in the Bible.
You could try. You’d just get eaten alive by my counter-argument, the same one that got me booted from Ann Coulter’s website.
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JCC said this:
“A demonstrably false assertion. Christianity, by its very nature, invites scrutiny.”
Now watch carefully everyone here, this cowardly piece of shit is not going to confront my (in his words) scrutiny.
Your bible says a flood engulfed the entire planet four thousands years ago. Put aside the fact that your god murdered the entire planet, men women and children, newborn babies, lets consider the fact that you already admitted it’s bullshit.
Your bible says your god murdered every first born son in Egypt, the place he led Joseph, the son of Jacob, to save him from his brothers. Fucking sisters is bound to lead to trouble.
It doesn’t matter where you go in your pathetic bible, JCC, I will destroy you, but yet you have the gall to say your religion invites scrutiny. Well, maybe your religion invites itself to it own destruction, but, you avoid it like the plague. Defend your book of fairy tales, bitch. Stand on main street at high noon and face me you cowardly piece of shit!!!!!
Actually, I think you all are kinda comically playing his game. But, his statement, ” Christianity, by its very nature, invites scrutiny.” You could have destroyed him with that. Why didn’t you?
I guess it doesn’t matter.
NeoWolfe
To: neowolfe,
Nah. Just giving him the rope to hang himself with. So far ALL Christians have avoided the “Noah’s Flood” timeline debate with me. It’s a debate they can’t win. And blatant examples of Biblical errancy scares the shit out of them. I call it “Christian Repellant”.
atheist_republican:
How do you know?
Really? Ok, take your best shot.
I assume you’re including me in that group? If so, please point out where I’ve “avoided the debate” with you.
If what you say is true (that ALL have avoided the debate with you) then how can you seriously assert that?
Another implied characterization of me. Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not experiencing any symptoms of dysentery.
JCC,
When did “Noah’s Flood” occur?
I’m going to work in ten minutes, I’ll check back in 9.5 hours and see how well you have avoided the question.
atheist_republican:
I don’t know. Genesis doesn’t provide us with a specific year.
Good! Thousands of deadbeat mortgage holders are depending on people like you and me…
Still waiting for evidence that a human being can live to be 600 – that is, of course, if the dratted book IS ‘historically accurate’.
KA
When I first began posting here all those years ago, I expressed the sentiment that I hated Christianity, not him. To my everlasting surprise, since I was a naive little atheist, he responded by saying that he and his religion were the same thing.
His pants are on fire. Worse, he has sinned. All sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord; he might as well have killed someone. He’s nasty, that jcc.
JCC,
It’s your religion, you’re supposed to know more about it than me.
You are right, Genesis does not give a year for the Noah’s Flood myth, it only gives a year for the flood myth in relation to creation, that is 1656 years after creation (the geneology between Adam and Noah is quite explicit).
In order to find the year for the flood myth, one has to begin with the construction of Solomon’s Temple and work backwards. Ultimately, this fails because there is no trace of a flood at the year indicated. And the Egyptian Pharaoh reigning at the time, King Pepi I Meryre (3rd king of the Sixth Dynasty) lived right through it.
In fact, no pharaoh, or dynasty is killed off by a nonsense flood. No Bronze-Age civilization vanishes anywhere. And you can’t backdate the flood myth to prior to 3100 BCE so as to make it not clash with reality and recorded history, because that ruins the Biblical continuity by creating an 800 year blank space in the Bible.
/Game. Set. Match. & Checkmate.
Obeah:
I knew I remembered that correctly. Thx.
However, if JCC can present ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE (sans the bibble) that a human being can live to the age of 600, well, I’ll gladly defect to his camp.
Well, JCC? 2 days now, gone incommunicado? Where’s that historical evidence? Hmmmm? I’m waiting…..(whistling, twiddling my thumbs)
Just checking to see if if there are any answers yet. (tapping fingers)
No response yet. 48 hours and counting.
I think I hear a song coming on.
“…Hahahahahahahaaaa wiiiipeout.”
Yup, that’s the one.
atheist_republican:
My apologies for not getting back sooner—things got really busy at work on Thursday afternoon and hasn’t let up—and family time always takes priority over time spent here.
Yes, and that seems to be the case.
Myth? Are you stating that there has never been a catastrophic flood in that region?
May I ask how you arrived at the magical number of 1656? Yes, the genealogy is “quite explicit” but by no means should it be considered complete or should it be used as a reliable metric for attempting to determine absolute dating. No half-serious Biblical scholar would attempt to do such a thing—besides, nowhere in the Bible are genealogies added up for such purposes. http://tinyurl.com/dckbtp
Huh? But that assumes an accurate generation count and estimation of each lifespan in the genealogy—again, any method that must rely on the OT genealogies is anything but scientific and almost guaranteed to be grossly inaccurate.
Other than the genealogies, what makes you so confident of these dates concerning Biblical continuity? Forensic science is a completely different ballgame than empirical science. Some details and evidence of when it took place may never be known. And no serious student of history can refute the evidence of Mesopotamian floods and associated stories from the early Holocene—even the secular (and less than objectively scientific) NCSE cannot deny it: http://tinyurl.com/ddnlsc Like it or not, there have been floods in that region around the times in question, and the Bible’s account, though not sufficiently detailed, nevertheless cannot be dismissed simply as “myth.”
Again, sorry to disappoint, but if that was your best shot, then you’re in way over your head.
Wow! You don’t even seem to realize how badly you lost.
jcc:
So the NT is historically accurate, but the backbone of it, the OT, is grossly inaccurate?
& where’s that proof of a 600 year old man, anyways? & why would anyone care if someone saw that incredibly old guy naked (son Shem)?
KA,
Yeah that seems to sum it up.
JCC says,
And then says five days later,
The parts of the Bible that are blatantly wrong are not reliable.
Why not mention Methusaleh? He lived to be 969 years old and was the only person alive during the life of Adam AND Noah. Of course that is probably unreliable, too. And then God limits the lifespan of humans to 120 years old, and 4300 years later a French woman named Jean Louise Calment lives to be 122.
AR
Why that’s just proof that Satan exists!
atheist_republican:
Hmmmm. I asked where you got the number 1656 from and all you could come back with was
It seems I’ve seriously overestimated your ability to participate in an intellectual debate.
First, you’ve failed to demonstrate that those parts are irrefutably wrong; second, no where in the Bible does it claim to be the complete, encyclopedic chronology of history. Not allowing for such literary inadequacies leaves one vulnerable to a multitude pitfalls.
JCC,
I am more familiar with your Bible than you. That much is obvious.
But you said Christianity is “grounded in historic” fact. I just proved you wrong. You can’t even locate the largest catastrophe in recorded history within a year, much less a decade, century, or millennium. What does that say about Biblical reliability? It says that your Bible is filled with mistakes that can’t be refuted without rewriting it.
Don’t take my word for. There is the Hebrew calendar. Their calendar starts with creation and is still used today. According to the Jewish calendar, Noah’s Flood myth happened in 2105 BCE. But that fails also because the Pharaoh ruling Egypt, Wahankh Intef II lived right through it unscathed.
So, where is Noah’s Flood? You wont find it because it never happened.
Next.
jcc,
It’s in your Bible. Is your Bible lying about the longevity of its fictitious castmembers?
jcc:
It can be safely stated, that it’s irrefutably wrong that people live longer than 150 – that a flood wiped out all of humanity – that humanity’s language was disrupted – that it took 6 days to create the world.
Need more?
Ah, no, you were the yobbo proclaiming the thing was historically accurate. Nobody reasonable anywhere wanted/wants it to be the
‘complete, encyclopedic chronology’, so that’s not only a red herring, it’s moving the goal posts.
Believing in such crap leaves 1 vulnerable to general hilarity & unkind mocking, I’d say.
106 hours and counting, still no response from jcc. I bet he was waiting for this thread to scroll away into the archives after getting so wiped out by me. They all do.
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atheist_republican:
Sorry again for the long delay. Sorry also for raining on your premature little “victory dance.” I Had (and still have) a ton of stuff to do at the office in addition to having to prepare for showing Expelled and lead a two-part study on it at church (the first class was great by the way—had over a hundred people show up for it!)
Oh? We’ve both taken the same Bible literacy test—and you outscored me? Would you mind reminding me when this took place? – and by how much did your score exceed mine?
Yes, I’m now beginning to understand what constitutes “obvious” to you (read self-sacrifice = suicide).
Yes. And I stand by that statement.
In your mind, I’m sure you did. But in reality, your attempt to extrapolate an absolute date from an unverifiable genealogy doesn’t come close to “proving me wrong.”
It doesn’t say anything about it’s reliability. Again, the Bible makes no claim of being an accurate, sequential chronology of events, it merely recounts them—the real question is, “did the flood occur at all?” – for which there is an abundance of evidence.
Uh, no. Again, IF the Bible made a day, month and year claim for the flood THEN your assertion would hold water, but unfortunately for you, it doesn’t.
And that calendar, like you, assumes the genealogies in Genesis are exhaustive.
…Hmmmm, according to a calendar whose accuracy is unverifiable…
Oh wow… your argument is defeated by your own “evidence!” You claim there was no flood as evidenced by the Hebrew calendar contradicting it, yet you FAILED to demonstrate the reliability of that calendar!!!
Yes! PLEASE! What else ya got???