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	<title>Comments on: Boy Scouts Denied&#8230; Again</title>
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		<title>By: neowolfe</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/01/06/boy-scouts-denied-again/comment-page-1#comment-93445</link>
		<dc:creator>neowolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I remember &quot;reverence&quot; is one of the vows you take as a  &quot;scout&quot; at any level.  My take is that it&#039;s therefore a religion.  As a religion, it is entitled to no public funding.  If it violates federal law on employment based on race, creed, color, religion, or sexual preference, and receives federal money, it must not only be denied those funds, but, is subject to lawsuit for damages.&lt;br /&gt;
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  I&#039;ve always seen &quot;boy scouts&quot; as pre-military conditioning.  Therefore, I am reminded of the movie, &quot;Full Metal Jacket&quot;, when the drill sargeant says:  We give thanks to god for bestowing upon us the ability to kill without hesitation, and in return for this favor, we keep heaven stocked with fresh souls.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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  Classic stuff,&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I remember &#8220;reverence&#8221; is one of the vows you take as a  &#8220;scout&#8221; at any level.  My take is that it&#8217;s therefore a religion.  As a religion, it is entitled to no public funding.  If it violates federal law on employment based on race, creed, color, religion, or sexual preference, and receives federal money, it must not only be denied those funds, but, is subject to lawsuit for damages.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;ve always seen &#8220;boy scouts&#8221; as pre-military conditioning.  Therefore, I am reminded of the movie, &#8220;Full Metal Jacket&#8221;, when the drill sargeant says:  We give thanks to god for bestowing upon us the ability to kill without hesitation, and in return for this favor, we keep heaven stocked with fresh souls.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Classic stuff,</p>
<p>NeoWolfe</p>
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		<title>By: dhappleby</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/01/06/boy-scouts-denied-again/comment-page-1#comment-93448</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re exactly right, Dave - they can&#039;t have it both ways! &lt;br /&gt;
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I recently went to a school board sub-committee meeting to argue against the Boy Scouts&#039; request to have teachers hand out their literature in classrooms.  (Fortunately, the board is leaning towards not allowing ANY groups to have their info given out by teachers.)  &lt;br /&gt;
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I find this group particularly annoying, though, because although they ARE a religious group (I did a bunch of research, and the God-related stuff they require the boys to do goes way beyond just pledging to honor him, etc.), they don&#039;t stress that in their appeal to the kids.  If a church-related Christian or Jewish organization came into the schools and tried to recruit kids, at least I could tell my 6-year-old son, &quot;That club is only for kids who belong to that religion.&quot;  But it&#039;s a lot harder to explain to my son that he wouldn&#039;t be allowed to join a group that claims to be all about camping trips and pinewood derbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re exactly right, Dave &#8211; they can&#8217;t have it both ways! </p>
<p>I recently went to a school board sub-committee meeting to argue against the Boy Scouts&#8217; request to have teachers hand out their literature in classrooms.  (Fortunately, the board is leaning towards not allowing ANY groups to have their info given out by teachers.)  </p>
<p>I find this group particularly annoying, though, because although they ARE a religious group (I did a bunch of research, and the God-related stuff they require the boys to do goes way beyond just pledging to honor him, etc.), they don&#8217;t stress that in their appeal to the kids.  If a church-related Christian or Jewish organization came into the schools and tried to recruit kids, at least I could tell my 6-year-old son, &#8220;That club is only for kids who belong to that religion.&#8221;  But it&#8217;s a lot harder to explain to my son that he wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to join a group that claims to be all about camping trips and pinewood derbies.</p>
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		<title>By: tony miller</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/01/06/boy-scouts-denied-again/comment-page-1#comment-93449</link>
		<dc:creator>tony miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to have a secular organization like this.&lt;br /&gt;
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It would take: time, money and serious dedication. Sadly I&#039;m just not up to those three things right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps somebody is though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have a secular organization like this.</p>
<p>It would take: time, money and serious dedication. Sadly I&#8217;m just not up to those three things right now.</p>
<p>Perhaps somebody is though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/01/06/boy-scouts-denied-again/comment-page-1#comment-93450</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David defeats his own argument once again.&lt;br /&gt;
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By definition, private groups discriminate!  This is only logical.&lt;br /&gt;
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David attempts to tag a private group with the definition of &quot;discrimination&quot; used for PUBLIC groups.  You know, the one where you can&#039;t discriminate based on race, color, creed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefor, the Boy Scouts cannot be guilty of &quot;discrimination&quot; as Dave and others use the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David defeats his own argument once again.</p>
<p>By definition, private groups discriminate!  This is only logical.</p>
<p>David attempts to tag a private group with the definition of &#8220;discrimination&#8221; used for PUBLIC groups.  You know, the one where you can&#8217;t discriminate based on race, color, creed.</p>
<p>Therefor, the Boy Scouts cannot be guilty of &#8220;discrimination&#8221; as Dave and others use the term.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2009/01/06/boy-scouts-denied-again/comment-page-1#comment-93451</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave!  Ever heard of FREEDOM of association.  You might want to look it up - it&#039;s in the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave!  Ever heard of FREEDOM of association.  You might want to look it up &#8211; it&#8217;s in the Constitution.</p>
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