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		<title>By: ontobelli</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/12/29/not-news-but-nice-to-hear/comment-page-1#comment-93111</link>
		<dc:creator>ontobelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a very good news for the world that US does&#039;t become a theocracy.</description>
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		<title>By: joelwe</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/12/29/not-news-but-nice-to-hear/comment-page-1#comment-93116</link>
		<dc:creator>joelwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, many of those who feel that think religion is losing its influence thinks that it&#039;s a bad thing and they are complaining about it. Personally, people seem as religious today as always and I&#039;m in my 50&#039;s. however, most religious folk I know are more tolerant of certain things then whan I was younger (ie: divorce, abortion, gay issues etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the most intolerent are not increasing in number, they just are really loud.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, many of those who feel that think religion is losing its influence thinks that it&#8217;s a bad thing and they are complaining about it. Personally, people seem as religious today as always and I&#8217;m in my 50&#8217;s. however, most religious folk I know are more tolerant of certain things then whan I was younger (ie: divorce, abortion, gay issues etc.)</p>
<p>I think the most intolerent are not increasing in number, they just are really loud.</p>
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		<title>By: glock21</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/12/29/not-news-but-nice-to-hear/comment-page-1#comment-93117</link>
		<dc:creator>glock21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly this isn&#039;t good news.  This is just more of the Christians espousing their persecution mentality (ie not having gov&#039;t backing of their religion is on par with throwing them into lions&#039; dens).&lt;br /&gt;
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This line sums it up pretty well from the article:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;Those who regularly attend worship services are more likely to say religion is losing its influence; three out of four weekly attenders (74 percent) said religious influence is falling, compared to 24% who thought its influence is on the rise.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This is more proof of the uphill battle we face in bringing sanity to the system when most of the people in that system are insane... and like it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly this isn&#8217;t good news.  This is just more of the Christians espousing their persecution mentality (ie not having gov&#8217;t backing of their religion is on par with throwing them into lions&#8217; dens).</p>
<p>This line sums it up pretty well from the article:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Those who regularly attend worship services are more likely to say religion is losing its influence; three out of four weekly attenders (74 percent) said religious influence is falling, compared to 24% who thought its influence is on the rise.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is more proof of the uphill battle we face in bringing sanity to the system when most of the people in that system are insane&#8230; and like it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is excellent news. If 67 percent think that religion is losing influence, then isn&#039;t it likely those who answered the poll in this way are less influenced by religion? Persecution syndrome, aside.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is excellent news. If 67 percent think that religion is losing influence, then isn&#8217;t it likely those who answered the poll in this way are less influenced by religion? Persecution syndrome, aside.</p>
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		<title>By: glock21</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/12/29/not-news-but-nice-to-hear/comment-page-1#comment-93121</link>
		<dc:creator>glock21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dw... I suppose I&#039;m just being a worry wart on the issue.  The current theocratic movement in the Islamic world was based on encroaching western influences and fueled by religious fanaticism that framed it as an assault on Islam.  With half of the country recently polled as believing the Constitution was founded as a &quot;christian nation&quot; and believing the Constitution established it as such... &lt;br /&gt;
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...I start getting that proverbial &quot;bad feeling about this&quot; when the fanatics feel they are losing their grip on power. As with any group, such a scenario encourages more desperate measures to retain/regain power... throw in some religious fanaticism and things get scary.  As has been witnessed throughout history, such conditions have a tendency of driving moderates to extremism, or tacit support of the extremists.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fundy rabble rousers in the US have huge megaphones, and sadly the US is stocked full of rabble... my endless concern is whether religiosity in the US will fade out with a whimper, or go off like a powder keg.&lt;br /&gt;
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This story &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; good news if the opinions reflect reality... it&#039;s unsettling if it&#039;s a reflection of persecution mentality and not based on any real loss of power/influence.&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the cyclical nature of American politics, I&#039;m not swayed by the recent elections as proof of loss of religious power, especially as the winning candidate went out of his way to suck up to the fundies to ensure he was seen as &quot;american enough&quot; to be president and the losing candidate was written off by the fundies for not being a teetotaler for them.&lt;br /&gt;
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The post election polling by Gallup put the GOP favorites for 2012... even with self-described moderates included... with Palin, Huckabee and Romney at the top of the list and strong support overall.&lt;br /&gt;
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The recent trends may have more to do with where the fundies are shifting their weight... and this poll may be showing a strong potential for a resurgence to protect their way of life next time around.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d love to be proven wrong, but right now I feel surrounded by powder kegs and talk radio minions with pyromania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dw&#8230; I suppose I&#8217;m just being a worry wart on the issue.  The current theocratic movement in the Islamic world was based on encroaching western influences and fueled by religious fanaticism that framed it as an assault on Islam.  With half of the country recently polled as believing the Constitution was founded as a &#8220;christian nation&#8221; and believing the Constitution established it as such&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230;I start getting that proverbial &#8220;bad feeling about this&#8221; when the fanatics feel they are losing their grip on power. As with any group, such a scenario encourages more desperate measures to retain/regain power&#8230; throw in some religious fanaticism and things get scary.  As has been witnessed throughout history, such conditions have a tendency of driving moderates to extremism, or tacit support of the extremists.</p>
<p>The fundy rabble rousers in the US have huge megaphones, and sadly the US is stocked full of rabble&#8230; my endless concern is whether religiosity in the US will fade out with a whimper, or go off like a powder keg.</p>
<p>This story <i>is</i> good news if the opinions reflect reality&#8230; it&#8217;s unsettling if it&#8217;s a reflection of persecution mentality and not based on any real loss of power/influence.</p>
<p>Given the cyclical nature of American politics, I&#8217;m not swayed by the recent elections as proof of loss of religious power, especially as the winning candidate went out of his way to suck up to the fundies to ensure he was seen as &#8220;american enough&#8221; to be president and the losing candidate was written off by the fundies for not being a teetotaler for them.</p>
<p>The post election polling by Gallup put the GOP favorites for 2012&#8230; even with self-described moderates included&#8230; with Palin, Huckabee and Romney at the top of the list and strong support overall.</p>
<p>The recent trends may have more to do with where the fundies are shifting their weight&#8230; and this poll may be showing a strong potential for a resurgence to protect their way of life next time around.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be proven wrong, but right now I feel surrounded by powder kegs and talk radio minions with pyromania.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glock21 -    &lt;blockquote&gt; ...and this poll may be showing a strong potential for a resurgence to protect their way of life next time around.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I think your concerns are well-founded. I tend to try to view things optimistically, even when in the back of my mind my concerns are similar to yours... but you see, if their actions are predicated on a threat to their way of life, then they are misdirected. It is not their way of life we are concerned about, it&#039;s ours. What is threatened is believers&#039; power to enforce their beliefs on the rest of us. This is what they are up in arms about, Christianity throughout it&#039;s history has, often times by force, insisted that their way, is the only way.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glock21 &#8211;<br />
<blockquote> &#8230;and this poll may be showing a strong potential for a resurgence to protect their way of life next time around.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think your concerns are well-founded. I tend to try to view things optimistically, even when in the back of my mind my concerns are similar to yours&#8230; but you see, if their actions are predicated on a threat to their way of life, then they are misdirected. It is not their way of life we are concerned about, it&#8217;s ours. What is threatened is believers&#8217; power to enforce their beliefs on the rest of us. This is what they are up in arms about, Christianity throughout it&#8217;s history has, often times by force, insisted that their way, is the only way.</p>
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		<title>By: quantum_flux</title>
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		<dc:creator>quantum_flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, don&#039;t get caucky Dave, these things tend to flucuate like the stock market does, perhaps with some lag time involved.  I went to a church service with my parents for christmas and the pastor was trash talking the american way and the stock market, anything to push his religious agenda (as usual).  Christians like to take advantage of things like 9/11 and recessions in order to get people when they are being emotional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, don&#8217;t get caucky Dave, these things tend to flucuate like the stock market does, perhaps with some lag time involved.  I went to a church service with my parents for christmas and the pastor was trash talking the american way and the stock market, anything to push his religious agenda (as usual).  Christians like to take advantage of things like 9/11 and recessions in order to get people when they are being emotional.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What for Phreedm&#039;s response &quot;This is a Xtian nation add nauseam&quot; in Three, Two, One.</description>
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		<title>By: Tuen</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/12/29/not-news-but-nice-to-hear/comment-page-1#comment-93132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Today&#039;s young Americans are the least theistic and most socially tolerant generation in the nation&#039;s history, even displaying a marked decline in anti-atheist bigotry.&quot; (Free Inquiry magazine)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe we&#039;re finally catching up with all the other first-world secular democracies. Most of the older generation has internalized their delusions so deeply they&#039;re beyond the eloquence of change. Our greatest hope lies with a younger generation savvy to the wisdom of modern science, evolution and education. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Today&#8217;s young Americans are the least theistic and most socially tolerant generation in the nation&#8217;s history, even displaying a marked decline in anti-atheist bigotry.&#8221; (Free Inquiry magazine)</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;re finally catching up with all the other first-world secular democracies. Most of the older generation has internalized their delusions so deeply they&#8217;re beyond the eloquence of change. Our greatest hope lies with a younger generation savvy to the wisdom of modern science, evolution and education. </p>
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		<title>By: Tuen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and a truly heart-felt Thank You to George Bush. What luck we have had to have a pandering theistic moron serving as the President of the United States.&lt;br /&gt;
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We will forever regret the damage he has done but, regarding secular, humanitarian interests, his folly has been so transparent, the entire world (and even some republicans) have taken notice. His darkness has allowed the clear light of reason to shine more brightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and a truly heart-felt Thank You to George Bush. What luck we have had to have a pandering theistic moron serving as the President of the United States.</p>
<p>We will forever regret the damage he has done but, regarding secular, humanitarian interests, his folly has been so transparent, the entire world (and even some republicans) have taken notice. His darkness has allowed the clear light of reason to shine more brightly.</p>
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