http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/55722.html WASHINGTON ? It’s no surprise to Steve Lowe that being an atheist is considered taboo. But when the head of the Washington Area Secular Humanists saw Sen. Elizabeth Dole’s “godless” campaign ad, he did something he’d done only once before ? he sent money to a political candidate. Turns out, Sen.-elect Kay Hagan got 3,600 contributions within 48 hours of Dole airing of the controversial ad, which centered on Hagan’s attendance at a fund-raiser at the Boston home of someone active in the atheist community. The Democrat from Greensboro had immediately used the “godless” ad as an e-mail fund-raising tool, and it paid off. “I told Hagan’s campaign, ‘This is the reason you’re getting money from me ? I want you to know this is not hurting you, this has helped you,’” said Lowe said, who gave $50 to Hagan and called Dole, R-N.C., several times to complain.
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To be fair, Hagan handled Doles accusations in a terrible manner and she tripped all over herself in order to show the electorate just how much of a good xian she actually is. Hagan threw the nonreligious under the bus on this one.
Welcome to NC.
Tell me Dave…
Why aren’t you upset about the “myth” being violated?
More proof the “myth” is a one way street…
COOL!
Now secular Humanism can get tax free status.(Or do they already?) Maybe Atheism should be a religion too. Free money.
godless sodomite
Put yourself in Hagan’s shoes: a politician running for election in a constituency that is largely atheophobic.
Suppose you were living in Nazi-occupied Europe, and an enemy went to the authorities and declared, falsely, that you were a Jew. Regardless of your feelings about Jews, wouldn’t you take that as a vicious slander?
Obeah,
The “Secular Humanism” in the Torcaso case was a specific group that called itself the “Secular Humanist Church”. The decision was not about generic secular humanism.
NotSoFast,
I can see your point but I think that Hagan herself demonised atheists in her efforts to distance herself from us. As a North Carolinian who voted for Hagan I felt betrayed and dissapointed by her response. She could have handled it better and in a less divisive manner.
The number of contributions in a 48 hour period mean nothing without an indication of normal trends leading up to that.
NSF…
Hmmm…nice try.
The ruling clearly calls “Secular Humanism” a religion…
If we’re going to split rulings, then the “myth” would only apply to the Danbury Baptists…
And that misses the point…why isn’t AA or the ACLU or the Morons for the “myth” complaining…?
How is the 1st Amendment being violated by the humanists? they paid $40,000 to a private company to place these ads.
Thanks NSF. I thought it might be something like that but I’m too lazy to look it up.
I’m really shocked the he would quote mine like that:)
Isn’t it nice that Phreeky is finally referring to his religion as the “myth”?
The major premise of secular humanism is its non-religious agency.
http://dictionary.reference.com/
definition of secular humanism:
any set of beliefs that promotes human values without specific allusion to religious doctrines.
I wear my “godless” badge with honor. It’s so promising to see the Dole campaign derail over this.
What ultimately matters, is where votes come from.
I have no idea what “hypocracy” is, phreedm, but if you use those little arrows at the side of the page you can simply scroll back up to where I easily dismissed your idiocy about secular humanism.
I proved you wrong yet again. You make it so simple, too. There’s no opportunity for a discussion because your assertions have no substance. That’s your fault, not mine.
And attempting to criticize me for name-calling is the epitome of h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y.
I have come to expect nothing less from you.
Ah castle…once again you’re not discussing the point…
Here…let me make it simple for you.
Why can’t a private citizen pay to have the 10 commandments posted on government property? No religion is mentioned in them….
I’d be happy to, phreedm, as soon as you admit that the Supreme Court did not rule that secular humanism is a religion.
To admit one is wrong takes a kind of maturity and honesty I have never witnessed from you.
I’m not holding my breath.
Hey, phreedm,
Look it up–besides being factually incorrect, calling secular humanism a religion was not part of the official ruling, and is not legally binding in any way, shape, or form.
Swing and a miss, again.
Comment from: godless sodomite
For the same reason I can’t pay $40,000 to have the 10 commandments posted on the side of a city bus…
Don’t worry, g. sodomite, I’ve already castrated phreedm’s pathetic non-argument.
Of course, he’ll whine on and on about his pet “myth” and never realize–or care–how he’s been duped by one of the greatest myths of all time: Christianity.
How do you know this? have you tried?
OT
I’m looking for fashionable atheist wear – not a T-shirt or hat. Seen anything that fits the bill?
Also, is their an accepted atheist-related symbol not associated with any particular atheist organization?
Off Topic…but very funny.
Howard Stern showed why NObama had so much support…
I believe the 2nd guy is none other then our own “What…do I know”…
http://tinyurl.com/4a8bkw
Because he was running against a bitter old man stuck in the cold war with a know-nothing harpy for a running mate?
Ah, yes. Instead of admitting his argument is nonsense, he changes the subject.
Adult onset ADD, phreedm, or chronic troll’s disease?
Hmmm…come to think of it, the first person Stern interviewed was either Ren or CastleNob…
Proves my point…
Supidity ruled on November 4th…
Castle…no one has given an argument against my claim. Why waste anymore time on a clear case of hypocracy?
Actually, you’re the one that simply resorts to name calling instead of attempting to have a discussion…
Prove me wrong…if you can.
What,
Believe it or not, the Atomic ‘A’ emblem is recognized more widely than just American Atheists. It is also the symbol of choice for the grave markers of military Atheists.
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp
Might as well keep it simple. What if all the different Christian organizations wanted their own symbol? Oh… right.
Of course there is always the scarlet letter that Hitchins or Dawkins was hocking not long ago.
Ever seen Jay Walking on the Tonight Show, where they show college students that can’t find the United States on a map of North America? Stupid people abound, especially here in good ol’ insular America. You could do the same thing with a random group of McCain supporters.
I’m going to tell you like I was told so many times over the past eight years whenever I complained: If you don’t fucking like it here, please feel free to move to a more conservative country, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia or perhaps Malaysia. Huh, that’s funny. The most conservative countries on the planet are all Islamic. You’re not a Muslim, are you Phreddy? You would fit in real well there. They don’t give their womenfolk or minorities equal rights either.
Can we get some better trolls around here. Pulleeeze!
Our resident idiot thinks that paying the government to violate our constitutional rights somehow makes it constitutional. Wow! Just Wow! I guess this idiot thinks that money purifies all. Well at least we now know the color of his gawd. Green.
Because it is a violation of the establishment clause of the 1st amendment of the US Constitution. What the humansits did was pay a private company $40,000 to post their ads which is perfectly legal.
Really? Last time I checked they were government buses…
http://tinyurl.com/5z4q5h
http://www.wmata.com/default.cfm
Want to try again…?
I’m waiting, phreedm.
Hey “What do I know”…
You sure do make the rounds…another video about you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_95F5e-Ac&sdig=1
What am I to make of your reluctance to counter my assertion, phreedm, that the Supreme Court never ruled that secular humanism is a religion?
You looked up the case, didn’t you? Found you were…wrong.
Again.
It’s a lie, phreedm, promoted by “good Christians” like you.
And, for the record, godless sodomite is correct: the advertising on stations, buses and trains of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority is managed by a private company, CBS Outdoors.
http://www.wmata.com/bus2bus/adsonmetro.cfm
Schooled by a gay atheist, no less.
What’s this world coming to, ay, phreedm?
I BETTER TROLLS AND I WANT THEM NOW!!!!
This has got to be one of the dumbest fucking things to ever come out of your keyboard.
1) I am the Lord your God
2) You shall have no other gods before me
3) You shall not make for yourself an idol
4…
Where do you see that they are not religious?
Goddamn, could you get more ignorant?
Sure — he could start by suggesting that the 10 commandments have something, even peripherally, about the foundation of American law.
He could, but according to Thomas Jefferson at least, he’d be wrong.
Or he could say God didn’t create Adam and Steve. But according to the Bible at least, he’d be wrong.
I don’t want the Ten Commandments on Govt property for a reason that everyone seems to miss… If you allow private “additions” to Govt property, eventually every Park (city, state, or federal)will look like Times Square (cluttered with advertisements).Courthouses and Parks should not resemble a shopping mall or Walmart. It would be very tacky.
oops…Of course I also oppose them on Constitutional bounds as well.
The Ten Commandments promote slavery and degrade women (much more than the sex industry does). I’m surprised they are still up in the courthouse.
Richard Dawkin’s Ten Commandments
(1) Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.
(2) In all things, strive to cause no harm.
(3) Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.
(4) Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.
(5) Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.
(6) Always seek to be learning something new.
(7) Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.
(8) Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.
(9) Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.
(10) Question everything.
Comment from: castletonsnob
Hahaha…you’ve GOT to be kidding
The “government” merely subs out that part of their operation. Bottom line…the buses are owned by the governmente…
Comment from: Boise Jim
Well BJ…speaking of dumb. Thanks for making my argument. The mere mention of God makes the phrase religious.
So again…where is AA’s outrage that God is being place in government property…???
That’s right castlenob…check the registration of the buses, and tell us who’s name appears on that tiny piece of paper…I’ll bet you it’s not “CBS Outdoor”….
And speaking of stupidity…
Everyone on this board is against vouchers for public education.
I will guarantee you that your “massiah”…NObama will NEVER enroll his little girls into the Washington DC public school system.
Of course everyone will twist in the wind to make excuses for him, but again, the bottom line is….
Hypocracy…
It’s ok for liberal policies to force the poor kids to stay in failing public schools…
But it’s a different story for the elite…
Obama can afford to send his kids to private school so why shouldnt he? If you can afford private school then by all means send your kids there but dont expect the taxpayers to dole out our money in the form of vouchers to pay to send your kids to religious schools.
I’m not against vouchers.
In fact, I’m strongly pro-voucher.
You are a particulary obtuse troll, ain’t ya, phreedm?
Obviously.
But before I continue to humor you, you must admit you were wrong about the Supreme Court ruling that secular humanism is a religion.
C’mon…c’mon…
Excuse #1…
I’d say this was a racial slur from our precious phreedm if it wasn’t slightly more likely to be due to his poor spelling skills…