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		<title>By: thx1138</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91525</link>
		<dc:creator>thx1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I disagree. That&#039;s punishing people for having a different opinion. As odious as that opinion is that still constitutes indirect suppression of free speech.&lt;br /&gt;
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If such a measure is to be considered it should apply to all tax exemptions for all churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I disagree. That&#8217;s punishing people for having a different opinion. As odious as that opinion is that still constitutes indirect suppression of free speech.</p>
<p>If such a measure is to be considered it should apply to all tax exemptions for all churches.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91527</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thx1138&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s ridiculous. Are you saying that the US Code linked to in the post should not be enforced? Are you saying that it doesn&#039;t apply? And what is &quot;indirect suppression of free speech&quot;? </description>
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<p>That&#8217;s ridiculous. Are you saying that the US Code linked to in the post should not be enforced? Are you saying that it doesn&#8217;t apply? And what is &#8220;indirect suppression of free speech&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91528</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thx1138&lt;br /&gt;
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More directly to your point ... What is being suggested is not to punish people for having a different opinion. What is being suggested is that they, by their actions, have disqualified their church from tax exempt status. It&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx1138</p>
<p>More directly to your point &#8230; What is being suggested is not to punish people for having a different opinion. What is being suggested is that they, by their actions, have disqualified their church from tax exempt status. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: thx1138</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91529</link>
		<dc:creator>thx1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What,&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, I stand corrected. Thanks for that. I didn&#039;t read the link.&lt;br /&gt;
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You know, that disqualification could be applied to *lots* of religious organizations to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What,</p>
<p>Yeah, I stand corrected. Thanks for that. I didn&#8217;t read the link.</p>
<p>You know, that disqualification could be applied to *lots* of religious organizations to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: joe zamecki</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91530</link>
		<dc:creator>joe zamecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why gays  in California are so angry. It was put to a statewide vote, and the majority of voters got their way. The issue is over.&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s how voting can kill a huge amount of progress. To oppose the outcome of a &quot;fair election&quot; is to be against the will of the people, in theory, so who are they trying to convince, and of what?&lt;br /&gt;
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This Mormon issue is besides the point. It&#039;s like the losers trying to cheat after the game&#039;s over. Even if the Mormons broke a law...they get away with doing that all the time, regardless of voting.&lt;br /&gt;
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Once again, the minority loses out, seemingly as a guarantee, with this &quot;system.&quot; It&#039;s too bad that voting is the only game in town, this time. Clearly the majority is often WAY wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW - This blog would not let me post the &quot;L&quot; word to go with &quot;gays.&quot; The result of another &quot;election&quot;? lol&lt;br /&gt;
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Joe Zamecki&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why gays  in California are so angry. It was put to a statewide vote, and the majority of voters got their way. The issue is over.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how voting can kill a huge amount of progress. To oppose the outcome of a &#8220;fair election&#8221; is to be against the will of the people, in theory, so who are they trying to convince, and of what?</p>
<p>This Mormon issue is besides the point. It&#8217;s like the losers trying to cheat after the game&#8217;s over. Even if the Mormons broke a law&#8230;they get away with doing that all the time, regardless of voting.</p>
<p>Once again, the minority loses out, seemingly as a guarantee, with this &#8220;system.&#8221; It&#8217;s too bad that voting is the only game in town, this time. Clearly the majority is often WAY wrong.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; This blog would not let me post the &#8220;L&#8221; word to go with &#8220;gays.&#8221; The result of another &#8220;election&#8221;? lol</p>
<p>Joe Zamecki<br />
Austin</p>
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		<title>By: Boise Jim</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91533</link>
		<dc:creator>Boise Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe-&lt;br /&gt;
I understand where you are coming from, but...&lt;br /&gt;
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This is flat out bigotry, and to me, no different than if we voted away the right for women to vote.&lt;br /&gt;
Gay people are born the way they are, just like women.&lt;br /&gt;
It is disgusting that the gay community is still being treated like second-class citizens, for no good reason.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is actions like these that keep America from progressing like other countries- those who treat &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; people equally. &lt;br /&gt;
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For the most part, we have religion to blame for the narrow minded attitudes of the people who supported this proposition.&lt;br /&gt;
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Quick to judge,&lt;br /&gt;
Quick to anger,&lt;br /&gt;
Slow to understand.&lt;br /&gt;
Ignorance and prejudice,&lt;br /&gt;
And fear walk hand in hand.*&lt;br /&gt;
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To me, that sums it up in a nutshell the religious in this country.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Neil Peart&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe-<br />
I understand where you are coming from, but&#8230;</p>
<p>This is flat out bigotry, and to me, no different than if we voted away the right for women to vote.<br />
Gay people are born the way they are, just like women.<br />
It is disgusting that the gay community is still being treated like second-class citizens, for no good reason.</p>
<p>It is actions like these that keep America from progressing like other countries- those who treat <i>all</i> people equally. </p>
<p>For the most part, we have religion to blame for the narrow minded attitudes of the people who supported this proposition.</p>
<p>Quick to judge,<br />
Quick to anger,<br />
Slow to understand.<br />
Ignorance and prejudice,<br />
And fear walk hand in hand.*</p>
<p>To me, that sums it up in a nutshell the religious in this country.</p>
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*Neil Peart</p>
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		<title>By: godless sodomite</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91534</link>
		<dc:creator>godless sodomite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t understand why gays in California are so angry. It was put to a statewide vote, and the majority of voters got their way. The issue is over.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Joe you obvioulsy are not gay nor have you ever experienced the frustration of second class citizenship.  Please replace the word &quot;gays&quot; with any other group (blacks, left handed people, atheists, straight white men) and then tell me what you think of this hateful and unAmerican legislation.  The bottom line is that the mormon church overstepped its legal mandate to refrain from political activism as outlined by the IRS and should now lose its tax exempt status.  The office of the president of the LDS sent a letter on 29 June of this year which was to be read to every congregation in the state of CA advising church members to vote Yes on Prop 8 which was an indisputable violation of their tax exempt status.  This is not just about gay rights Joe but rather it is about the infringement of one groups religious beliefs onto another groups equality as granted by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amenmdnet of the Constitution of these United States.   &lt;br /&gt;
I have sent in my complaint to the IRS and have prepared complaints for everyone that I know to sign and send in as well.  The mormon faith is not as important as my freedom is and all people who care about faith overstepping its bounds to have a negative impact on liberty should take action.  Today it is gay equality that lost but tomorrow it could be your rights that are taken away becasue of someone elses religious objections.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t understand why gays in California are so angry. It was put to a statewide vote, and the majority of voters got their way. The issue is over.</p></blockquote>
<p>Joe you obvioulsy are not gay nor have you ever experienced the frustration of second class citizenship.  Please replace the word &#8220;gays&#8221; with any other group (blacks, left handed people, atheists, straight white men) and then tell me what you think of this hateful and unAmerican legislation.  The bottom line is that the mormon church overstepped its legal mandate to refrain from political activism as outlined by the IRS and should now lose its tax exempt status.  The office of the president of the LDS sent a letter on 29 June of this year which was to be read to every congregation in the state of CA advising church members to vote Yes on Prop 8 which was an indisputable violation of their tax exempt status.  This is not just about gay rights Joe but rather it is about the infringement of one groups religious beliefs onto another groups equality as granted by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amenmdnet of the Constitution of these United States.   <br />
I have sent in my complaint to the IRS and have prepared complaints for everyone that I know to sign and send in as well.  The mormon faith is not as important as my freedom is and all people who care about faith overstepping its bounds to have a negative impact on liberty should take action.  Today it is gay equality that lost but tomorrow it could be your rights that are taken away becasue of someone elses religious objections.</p>
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		<title>By: ga4ry</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91535</link>
		<dc:creator>ga4ry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godless: That was expressed perfectly. .&lt;br /&gt;
Prop 8 is a crime and the major perpetrators are the knights and the mormons. The knights work as an unofficial mouthpiece of the catholic church, so its safe, more then likley, but the mormon chuch spewed its political opinions from thier pulpits, for this thier status should be revoked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godless: That was expressed perfectly. .<br />
Prop 8 is a crime and the major perpetrators are the knights and the mormons. The knights work as an unofficial mouthpiece of the catholic church, so its safe, more then likley, but the mormon chuch spewed its political opinions from thier pulpits, for this thier status should be revoked.</p>
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		<title>By: godless sodomite</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91537</link>
		<dc:creator>godless sodomite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just forwarded this tax exemption complaint against the LDS  to every atheist and free thought organisation that I could think of and have just printed a stack of copies of the IRS complaint form for distribution tonight at a professional gay and 1esbian group that I belong to as well as the Duke and UNC campuses.  Look for this complaint against the LDS to appear on Dawkins site, FFRF, and others.  The IRS must make an example of the mormon churchs violation of the law and revoke their tax exempt status now.  The disastrous last eight years has emboldened religious organisations to flaunt the law but this time they have gone too far and the anger it has caused is serving as a motivation and call to action for those who are concerned over the power of religion to negatively impact peoples equality.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just forwarded this tax exemption complaint against the LDS  to every atheist and free thought organisation that I could think of and have just printed a stack of copies of the IRS complaint form for distribution tonight at a professional gay and 1esbian group that I belong to as well as the Duke and UNC campuses.  Look for this complaint against the LDS to appear on Dawkins site, FFRF, and others.  The IRS must make an example of the mormon churchs violation of the law and revoke their tax exempt status now.  The disastrous last eight years has emboldened religious organisations to flaunt the law but this time they have gone too far and the anger it has caused is serving as a motivation and call to action for those who are concerned over the power of religion to negatively impact peoples equality.  </p>
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		<title>By: joe zamecki</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/11/07/revoking_mormon_tax_exemptions/comment-page-1#comment-91542</link>
		<dc:creator>joe zamecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting angry about the outcome of a vote isn&#039;t going to make the outcome change. If you rely on a system that shuts down your momentum immediately as soon as the voting is done, that&#039;s no one&#039;s fault but yours. &lt;br /&gt;
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Besides, who in their right mind thought that a state vote on gay rights would go the way that the gays want? &lt;br /&gt;
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Reason #12A to avoid democracy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Joe Zamecki&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting angry about the outcome of a vote isn&#8217;t going to make the outcome change. If you rely on a system that shuts down your momentum immediately as soon as the voting is done, that&#8217;s no one&#8217;s fault but yours. </p>
<p>Besides, who in their right mind thought that a state vote on gay rights would go the way that the gays want? </p>
<p>Reason #12A to avoid democracy.</p>
<p>Joe Zamecki<br />
Austin, TX</p>
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