Comments on: Obama Rep calls to set the record straight http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig A Blog of Atheist Thought Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:27:16 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Physics101 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91158 Physics101 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91158 I would like to hear what they have to say. I would like to hear what they have to say.

]]> By: Physics101 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91159 Physics101 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91159 Actually, after the whole Kay Hagan "Godless" video thing, I realize just how far we have to go. The GOP is openly trying demonize atheists, as though we are all criminals or child molestors or something. But note Kay Hagan's reaction on CNN:<br /> <br /> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/30/dole.ad/index.html<br /> <br /> She basically says what was so bad that her "Christian Faith" was attacked. Well, perhaps, but she makes no mention of the fact that all atheists everywhere we slandered - mere association with us is considered a bad thing, by at least the GOP apparently.<br /> <br /> I don't believe members of any other group with non-Christian views on religion would have to endure that- it would be political suicide. The GOP could never make a video like that saying Hagan attended a meeting hosted by Jews, Hindus, Muslims, or Mormons. Yet unaffilliated Americans outnumber those groups combined by 3 to 1.<br /> <br /> It should be a priority of secular/agnostic/atheist groups to point out our sheer size to all candidates, and support those candidates that at least openly acknowledge our place at the table. Actually, after the whole Kay Hagan “Godless” video thing, I realize just how far we have to go. The GOP is openly trying demonize atheists, as though we are all criminals or child molestors or something. But note Kay Hagan’s reaction on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/30/dole.ad/index.html

She basically says what was so bad that her “Christian Faith” was attacked. Well, perhaps, but she makes no mention of the fact that all atheists everywhere we slandered – mere association with us is considered a bad thing, by at least the GOP apparently.

I don’t believe members of any other group with non-Christian views on religion would have to endure that- it would be political suicide. The GOP could never make a video like that saying Hagan attended a meeting hosted by Jews, Hindus, Muslims, or Mormons. Yet unaffilliated Americans outnumber those groups combined by 3 to 1.

It should be a priority of secular/agnostic/atheist groups to point out our sheer size to all candidates, and support those candidates that at least openly acknowledge our place at the table.

]]> By: reason http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91161 reason Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91161 How do we get the respect of candidates when they believe these fairy tales themselves.This is a culture war unless atheists are willing to convert others they will remain a despised minority.Atheists believe in religious liberty well the other side doesn't. How do we get the respect of candidates when they believe these fairy tales themselves.This is a culture war unless atheists are willing to convert others they will remain a despised minority.Atheists believe in religious liberty well the other side doesn’t.

]]> By: thx1138 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91162 thx1138 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91162 I have long thought that the irony of the Christian Right is that if they did as their religion commanded, 'Love their neighbor,' 'Love those who despise them,' 'Turn the other cheek,' etc., they would be far more successful and far less divisive. Yet the Religious Right have people, epitomized by phreedm, full of hatred and sarcasm. I believe it was George Bush 41 who expressed the opinion that atheists should have no rights and should not be even be protected by the Constitution. Nice guys, huh? I have long thought that the irony of the Christian Right is that if they did as their religion commanded, ‘Love their neighbor,’ ‘Love those who despise them,’ ‘Turn the other cheek,’ etc., they would be far more successful and far less divisive. Yet the Religious Right have people, epitomized by phreedm, full of hatred and sarcasm. I believe it was George Bush 41 who expressed the opinion that atheists should have no rights and should not be even be protected by the Constitution. Nice guys, huh?

]]> By: joe zamecki http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91164 joe zamecki Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91164 As long as non-religious people are in the extreme minority in America, voting will not help us. I don't see any reason to take part in a system that shuts us out, after urging us to take part. (We're shut out when the votes are counted, and the majority wins.)<br /> <br /> They'll keep electing and re-electing irrational religious people, regardless of the harm those people cause, and regardless of how much we gripe. <br /> <br /> There are other methods for us to make progress, and I think that this approach to answering back when we're slighted is much more useful. Free speech is helpful and voting doesn't involve any of that. <br /> <br /> Plus when the person you vote for eventually insults and embarrasses you, and they will, remember your vote. Your precious precious vote. lol.<br /> <br /> Joe Zamecki<br /> Austin, TX As long as non-religious people are in the extreme minority in America, voting will not help us. I don’t see any reason to take part in a system that shuts us out, after urging us to take part. (We’re shut out when the votes are counted, and the majority wins.)

They’ll keep electing and re-electing irrational religious people, regardless of the harm those people cause, and regardless of how much we gripe.

There are other methods for us to make progress, and I think that this approach to answering back when we’re slighted is much more useful. Free speech is helpful and voting doesn’t involve any of that.

Plus when the person you vote for eventually insults and embarrasses you, and they will, remember your vote. Your precious precious vote. lol.

Joe Zamecki
Austin, TX

]]> By: joe zamecki http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91165 joe zamecki Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91165 Okay I just found this on CNN.com:<br /> <br /> "I think Elizabeth Dole has just gone to the lowest of the lows," Hagan said of the ad during an appearance on a talk show on WPTF-AM in Raleigh, North Carolina. "This is an attack on my Christian faith."<br /> <br /> Hagan, who described herself as a Sunday school teacher and an elder at a Presbyterian church in Greensboro, North Carolina, urged Dole to "pull this kind of despicable ad."<br /> __________________<br /> <br /> Now please someone remind me, why do we care about this candidate? Why did she attend a GAMPAC meeting? Finally, isn't she acting a little TOO insulted by the ad? Afterall we're not child molestors. She ought to let us know somehow that she doesn't intend to insult us in reply... <br /> <br /> She's not an Atheist, we got that part. But her reaction implies that she thinks we're the evil ones. Well we're not.<br /> <br /> Joe Zamecki<br /> Austin, TX Okay I just found this on CNN.com:

“I think Elizabeth Dole has just gone to the lowest of the lows,” Hagan said of the ad during an appearance on a talk show on WPTF-AM in Raleigh, North Carolina. “This is an attack on my Christian faith.”

Hagan, who described herself as a Sunday school teacher and an elder at a Presbyterian church in Greensboro, North Carolina, urged Dole to “pull this kind of despicable ad.”
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Now please someone remind me, why do we care about this candidate? Why did she attend a GAMPAC meeting? Finally, isn’t she acting a little TOO insulted by the ad? Afterall we’re not child molestors. She ought to let us know somehow that she doesn’t intend to insult us in reply…

She’s not an Atheist, we got that part. But her reaction implies that she thinks we’re the evil ones. Well we’re not.

Joe Zamecki
Austin, TX

]]> By: what http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91167 what Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91167 Joe <blockquote> As long as non-religious people are in the extreme minority in America, voting will not help us. I don't see any reason to take part in a system that shuts us out, after urging us to take part.</blockquote> Is church-state separation the only issue before our government? Don't take part and you get BushCo redux. Joe
As long as non-religious people are in the extreme minority in America, voting will not help us. I don’t see any reason to take part in a system that shuts us out, after urging us to take part.

Is church-state separation the only issue before our government? Don’t take part and you get BushCo redux.

]]> By: CM http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91170 CM Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91170 Dear Atheists.org,<br /> <br /> After seeing some of the news circulations about Elizabeth Dole accusing Kay Hagan of being "godless," I was a bit concerned about its implications. People have spoken out against using the word "Muslim" as a slur against Sen. Barack Obama -- but why has no one done the same to defend atheists in America? It saddens me to know that prejudice and discrimination against non-believers is still acceptable in this country.<br /> <br /> Is your organization doing anything at all to fight back against these recent slurs against "Godless Americans"? Dear Atheists.org,

After seeing some of the news circulations about Elizabeth Dole accusing Kay Hagan of being “godless,” I was a bit concerned about its implications. People have spoken out against using the word “Muslim” as a slur against Sen. Barack Obama — but why has no one done the same to defend atheists in America? It saddens me to know that prejudice and discrimination against non-believers is still acceptable in this country.

Is your organization doing anything at all to fight back against these recent slurs against “Godless Americans”?

]]> By: fosters24 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91173 fosters24 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91173 OK, our votes don't count, got it. However, voting is literally the least you can do and consider yourself part of the process. Get out and get active. Tell people you're an atheist. Hold rallies. No one hears you if you don't say anything. OK, our votes don’t count, got it. However, voting is literally the least you can do and consider yourself part of the process. Get out and get active. Tell people you’re an atheist. Hold rallies. No one hears you if you don’t say anything.

]]> By: ga4ry http://atheists.org/blog/2008/10/30/obama_rep_calls_to_set_the_record_straig/comment-page-1#comment-91179 ga4ry Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-91179 Fosters, point and match. <br /> We are a minority, and not in the good way where we can contribute our music or cooking or woven and pottery goods. Our status comes with the label heratic, communist and the somewhat culinary, baby eater.<br /> To lend credence to our support would be suicide for a candidate.<br /> Our job is to do what we have done throughout history, use our minds to pick the best in philosophy, ideology and in modern times, candidates. As Fosters has said, we can do this while wearing our atheist hats and placeing our atheist stamps on the contrabution checks we send, but to expect in this time of Islamic fatwa, Moral majority black listings and the likes of Benny Hinn; to be acknowledged and thanked........ Fosters, point and match.
We are a minority, and not in the good way where we can contribute our music or cooking or woven and pottery goods. Our status comes with the label heratic, communist and the somewhat culinary, baby eater.
To lend credence to our support would be suicide for a candidate.
Our job is to do what we have done throughout history, use our minds to pick the best in philosophy, ideology and in modern times, candidates. As Fosters has said, we can do this while wearing our atheist hats and placeing our atheist stamps on the contrabution checks we send, but to expect in this time of Islamic fatwa, Moral majority black listings and the likes of Benny Hinn; to be acknowledged and thanked……..

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