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r4d,
His time in the state senate? Oh yeah, I vote “present”… great example.
As far as his community organizer creds go he trained ACORN activists in how to employ disruptive tactics.
Your last post really confirms my earlier statements. You are a true believer, there’s no doubt. Too bad you don’t bother to check out the many facts that contradict all the glowing adoration of his “accomplishments”
r4d,
I actually read the link you just posted and it’s obviously for tiny minds. It doesn’t offer much, I’m afraid.
I wasn’t talking about the other “runors” anyway. All I’m posting on is the lack of an authentic birth certificate. There’s way too much evidence that what Obama “provided” isn’t real. I won’t be satisfied until the Federal Court gets the ACTUAL document and has it thoroughly analyzed for evidence of forgery.
Tim,
Oooohhh… the evil ACORN terroristssss! You guys are such dorks. Tell me, how far do you suppose the civil rights movement would’ve gotten had it not employed ‘disruptive tactics?’
And there is no way on earth anyone could’ve made it into public office without proof of citizenship. That’s beyond a stretch. I mean, talk about tiny minds… If that were possible, just what would it say about the Bush admin’s homeland security efforts?
Keep talking, Tim. Please, keep making more of an ass out of yourself. The whole lot of ya. I will enjoy your increasing irrelevance as you continue to conspiracy theorize yourself into the loony bin corner.
And you are a nut.
r4d,
Yeah, you got me! I’m certifiable… yawn.
Anyway, ACORN is a subversive organization deeply involved in voter fraud. They are being prosecuted for their crimes as we speak, at least in one state.
It’s funny you didn’t cite one of Obama’s major executive qualifications for public office. He headed up the Annenburg foundation and worked closely with William Ayers for a number of years.
Seems like he’d want the world to know all about what he did there, don’t you think?
Funny how he’s gone to such lengths to HIDE what are arguably public records for the period he was there. Just ask Howard Kurtz who tried to to an investigative piece on them. He was stonewalled at every turn and has yet to have the records given to him.
r4d,
Don’t forget to thank your buddies at ACORN for one other thing – their role in the sub-prime mortgage crisis.
Yeah, making threats against any bank that wouldn’t go along with the demand to loan money to anyone who wanted it definitely played a part in the mortgage debacle.
While you are at it, you might look into Obama’s ties to ACORN in this regard. I forget the name of the woman who lead many of the vicious campaigns against the banks, but she has some tie to your man, Obama!
r4d…
Nice list of your opinions and dreams about Obama…
However, you haven’t listed a single accomplishment…
Nobody respond. There are precondition that phreedm must type all his messages in icelandic mirror-script. Otherwise, we might endorse his opinion
Sheesh it’s diffecult reading posts from crazy people.
tim,
Yawn indeed. ACORN pays folks minimum wage to go out and register voters in low income neighborhoods. It is a rather thankless job, and as with many voter registration drives there are occasionally people who cheat and submit bogus registrations. These bogus registrations are almost always caught and it’s nearly impossible for them to translate into actual votes. But because ACORN focuses on low income areas, Republicans have done everything they can to harass ACORN’s registration efforts. ( It is a statistical fact that more new voters entered into the system always benefits Democrats. Just what does that say about conservatism? ) This is what the whole attorney firing scandal at the justice department is about. It’s why Gonzales resigned.
In every single confirmed case of voter registration fraud involving ACORN, it was these low level employees and not the organization itself who were prosecuted. In fact, the majority of these perpetrators were turned in by ACORN itself.
As far as them playing a significant role in the subprime lending debacle, I feel like we’ve largely covered that, as it is a demonstrable fact that the problem started when the rules became relaxed, leading to a boom in high risk, large return investments and complicated, bundled securities. ACORN’s role in housing has been to fight predatory lending and redlining of entire neighborhoods. Only an asshole would consider fighting those sort of things to be ’subversive.’
ACORN is not a perfect organization and there is plenty to criticize. Its business practices can be a real mess; Founder Wade Rathke has had to step down after an embezzlement scandal involving his brother. Though the funds were eventually repaid internally, the scandal was covered up for eight years in order to protect ACORN’s reputation. In light of the right-wing’s desire to see ACORN destroyed, one can kinda of understand. But the reality is cover ups always make things look worse, so shame on them.
http://tinyurl.com/3rjajb
Obama was never an organizer for ACORN, though I wouldn’t fault him for being so because I think ACORN, for all its faults, has helped a lot of people. Obama was on a team of lawyers representing a lawsuit brought by ACORN, along side the Department Of Justice, against the the State of Illinois for not complying with voter access laws.
So the Annenburg foundation is also part of this liberal axis of evil you guys are so worked up about? It’s bad to raise money for education? Tell me, what do you think of Halliburton?
And as far as Ayers is concerned, he’s a loon with a rich daddy who got off on a technicality. He has also somehow been rehabilitated to the point where he enjoys quite a bit of respect within Chicago political circles. I don’t pretend to understand how that happened, but it did. I certainly don’t think Mayor Daily condones the actions of the Weathermen, and that guy worked very closely with Ayers. Should we take a cue from OReilly and ask Al Qaeda to bomb Chicago after it’s done with San Francisco? And if so, who’s more anti-american?
Or here’s a better question: What do you think of Palin’s ties to the Alaskan Independence Party? Is that fair game?
Tim,
Oh, and don’t forget to thank the role of the “prosperity gospel” in the sub-prime mess either.
McSame’s life story in The Rolling Stone is a must read.
http://www.truthout.org/100508A
Dave
Can you give Tim a thread of his own. The more he writes the better.
r4d,
“And as far as Ayers is concerned, he’s a loon with a rich daddy who got off on a technicality. He has also somehow been rehabilitated to the point where he enjoys quite a bit of respect within Chicago political circles. I don’t pretend to understand how that happened, but it did.”
Choke… gasp… Are you serious? Please!
You must live in a self-sealing bubble if you do not know that Mr. Ayers is an UN-REPENTANT, america-hating, domestic terrorist. Period.
Your statement is simply breathtaking in that it truly does reveal the mind control Obama must be exerting…
Perhaps you should go get Ayer’s book and READ IT. You know, the one Obama penned a glowing tribute to! Gag.
Phreedm,
Yeah, all those accomplishments Obama claims from his days as an Illinois Senator.
Funny, but you would thing there would be a paper trail – evidence of all his work. If one does exist, wht does Obama work so hard to keep it a secret, hmmmm?
Of course, the same goes for everything about his life. He’s the least vetted candidate that I think I have ever seen. Scary stuff, indeed.
r4d,
I expect your next post will parrot the line about Obama and Mr. Ayers hardly knowing each other.
Before you do, please, please do your homework.
r4d et al,
Yes, Obama IS “palling around” with an unrepentant terrorist. A terrorist that mentored Obama and gave him his political sendoff in his own Chicago living room! Pals!
If it were Senator McCain or Governor Palin that were doing this, you would have every media satellite truck in America parked outside the Republican candidates campaign office!
GMAFB!!! The media has been AWOL on the entire subject of Obama. Instead of doing their job, they are too busy falling all over themselves to pave the way for his ascendancy to the throne.
No, Obama himself isn’t a terrorist, but his judgement does not meet the standard required to lead the most powerful nation on earth. Obama’s like blank check a thief finds on the street. The signature is there, just fill in the amount!
:”Yes, Obama IS “palling around” with an unrepentant terrorist. “
And now Tim can make value judgments on others whom he knows nothing about and has never met.
How does he know that Ayers isn’t repentant? He doesn’t know, and this is just another lie from conservatives.
tim,
Well, I happen to think he’s an arrogant, faux-revolutionary, rich-kid asshole. But that doesn’t mean the other things I cited about him are not true. The fact is that he is deeply involved in Chicago politics, and there are plenty of republicans who are acquainted with him too. Maybe that just says something about the nature of Chicago politics.
If you’re talking about ‘Fugitive Days,’ I’ve heard that it is very badly written and that he may have lied about half of it anyway. If you are talking about his books on education, I’d rather get a root canal. And as far as Obama penning a tribute to any of these, I have no idea what you’re talking about ( and neither does google, apparently. )
Remember back in 2000 when surrogates for the Bush team where suggesting that McCain was a ‘manchurian candidate’ who had been ‘brainwashed by the Vietcong?’ That’s what this shit reminds me of.
Well that’s refreshing.
I don’t think Palin is a terrorist either, but she and her husband do have very close ties with an Alaskan separatist group who’s founder Joe Vogler was quoted as saying “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” Vogler eventually was murdered while attempting to purchase plastic explosives.
If the gloves are coming off and it’s time to play the guilt by association card, bring it on.
Timmy aren’t you by troubled by McCain’s paling around with the North Vietnamese for years. Even gave them a nice little confession.
Do you believe McSame’s account of the offer to release him – his captures say it’s time to go but McSame refuses? Tell me something Timmy. How is that possible? If his captures wanted him home all they had to do was drop him off in front of a US base – done.
Have you ever bothered tallying all the fantasies you believe? Just curious what the count is.
Side note: The goofy ‘nukular’ vs ‘nuclear’ pronunciation is an interesting point. Ironically, the incorrect ‘nukular’ pronunciation is used by most Pentagon types. Many times it’s only used when referring to weapons. Bush pronounces the word correctly sometimes as well, but not with respect to missiles and defense. I highly recommend linguist Jeoff Nunberg’s book “Talking Right”. He provides very interesting insight into the phenomenon.