Today I watched the Jets beat the snot out of the Cardinals. I don’t like the Cardinals because their QB is Kurt Warner, who I met once at a TV studio. He was nice enough, but when I asked him for an autograph for my nephew, he wrote a bible verse on the autograph. This AFTER he learned who I was. I felt it crass, and my nephew thought it was a joke, but since then I’m not a Kurt Warner fan.So today, a player (Anquan Boldin) got hurt, and Warner led a prayer for all the world to see on the football field for that player’s health. Both teams participated — but not all players. Some players actually chose not to pray along with their teammates or to take any part of their sheepish display. Wish I had a picture or a list, but I don’t. But I saw it. Warner wanted it to be a church, but it was still a football stadium to some. I wonder how those other players felt.Thanks to medicine, and not invisible men in the sky, the injured Boldin is healing in a hospital and hopefully will be fine.Too bad Jesus didn’t want to help the Cards win today.
Too bad you can’t get a hold of Warner and ask him WYGN? (Where’s your god now)
If someone writes a Bible verse down for me, I look for the nearest trash can. Whether they know about my Atheism or not, that’s just wrong.
It’s odd though, how a football player would want to be apart from his team at that time, or anytime. If they were independent minded, they wouldn’t have gotten into football. Of all organized sports, that’s got to be the most sheepish.
Joe Zamecki
Austin
What!?
I never understood prayer at games. Clearly god can’t let both teams win. It all depends who prays the hardest or before the other team. Ha ha!
Seriously, though. You’d think these big husky men who put on such a tough persona wouldn’t be afraid of an invisible man in the sky. Just like evangelicals in the military. I think these are the weakest of the bunch.
I give kudos to those teammates who refused to participate. Prayer is something that should not be allowed in public like seeing someone poop.
Private and unobtrusive prayer in public is fine but using your celebrity to make a very public and divisive display of religiosity is just vulgar.
Kurt Warner Grandstands for God, shifts focus from injured player to himself.
Then humans fix the problem Kurt’s nonexistent god could not.
Thanks, non-participating players, for just letting the trainers and EMTs do their jobs, and for showing that not everyone believes in the great Football Fairy.
OT Alert
The bailout plan currently before congress is just one big give away to those that caused this disaster. Call your congressman and say NO!
Hehehehe, it’s exactly that reason why the Cardinals lose so much. Hey, Andre Wadsworth even has a small Church right at the Scottsdale Airpark that I used to go to and they have a lot of crazy beliefs (cool events/activities though). I still like the people that go to that Church though, very friendly or at least I think they still are. I’d still have to go chuch with them to hang with them though or else somebody there would probably tackle me.
Hey, the Cardinals don’t get paid to pray for victory, they get paid to practice for victory. They always lose because they are so spiritual or what-have-ya.
Living here in Phoenix ? where tax payers voted to subsidize the construction of the stadium ? I have to wonder if we paid for the stadium so they (the Cardinals) would have a more publicly visible place to pray?
: )
Money well spent.
What,
Bailout Bill defeated by the house. That’s a good start.
Prayer at sporting events has always seemed ridiculous to me. Just like prayer in school or city council meetings. Nobody really thinks it does any good; it offends a lot of people (thinking people); and it lends a smarmy tone to the proceedings. It is a form of preening. If they really believed in an all powerful overlord, they would let it decide about what is going to happen and keep their noses out of it’s business. Only conceit makes people pray at public events, to show how wonderful THEY are.
I used to be a sports writer, but I am convinced that professional sports is a waste of time, money, effort, and public buildings. (Golf is the worst – have you noticed the obscene water wastage around Palm Springs on the dozens of golf courses?)
Why aren’t America’s preachers calling for a Prayer-a-thon for our nations economy? If they think pray works then shouldn’t they be doing just that? Of course the answer to my questions is that America’s preachers don’t want prayer put to such a consequential, visible and memorable test.
DVW
Excellent. The defeat of this bailout will give the American people time to find out just how devalued the paper they are being asked to be is. If there is any rescuing to be done it should be done on a case-by-case basis.
No blank checks for the cleptocracy.
What
Because God needs their money, and they put God before country. (besides what you said, of course.)
right on What.
Dave that was crass i used to like the cards when they were in st.louis.oh well good things can’t last forever.
russian and american navy going after pirates in indian ocean damn i wish i was 19/20 yrs old again.
Hey, at least the Toilette Bowl Stadium got the Cardinals playing at the University of Phoenix stadium instead of at Arizona State University stadium. (a step up for the Devils and a step down for the Cardinals I guess)
What will football look like in the greater depression
Anybody wanna bet how fast we will pull out of Iraq because this nation is bankrupt, morally and fiscally, and we will go through some very painfully hard economic times….like the greater depression or something
Wow Dave…you really do have thin skin…
So it’s sheepish to let the entire world see you display your beliefs?
I guess I now know why AA’s membership rolls are dropping…
yeah…AA doesn’t scare the dole out of you spiritual folks….your dumb ideas do that all too much
Comment from: Charlie
Speaking of dumb ideas…
Comment from: Charlie
Yeah…I will
Comment from Karen:
Fortunately, McCain put gawd first with his “America First” campaign, showing us that this is not a religious country. Otherwise, it would have been gawd first, America Second….
DOH… that should be “McCain put Gawd Second”.
Someone must have turned this water I’m drinking into wine….
no need for further comment until 1 year from now phreedm…..lets just see exactly what our reckless govt spending and failing central banking system gets us….
I will tell you what it gets us….a government that will be scrambling to save the dollar by cutting cost very quickly….
Comment from: Charlie
Careful now…that’s exactly what McCain said he wanted to do in last Friday nights debate…
Here’s a great video that fully explains why our financial markets are in the shape they’re in…
Now, if it wasn’t true…why did Google take it down off of Youtube…?
It’s still you YouTube UK…
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY
Sheepish when your beliefs are based on blind faith and indoctrination rather than reason, logic, and coming to your own conclusions through thought.
By December the American people will be screaming “Out of Iraq” – 80% will want to pull out immediately.
Beliefnet has a good retort to some of Warner’s prior prayers
http://blog.beliefnet.com/jwalking/2007/10/kurt-warners-prayers.html
No, it is hypocritical. Jesus said so.
Matthew Chapter 6, verses 5 and 6:
5) And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.
6)But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Ren, Ren, Ren…
Again with that tired reasoning…
If you’re going to discuss the bible, perhaps you should read and study it first…
I guess when Peter prayed in public in the book of Acts was an act of hypocrisy…
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/MatthewHenryComplete/mhc-com.cgi?book=mt&chapter=006
Comment from: godless sodomite
I couldn’t agree more…exactly why atheism is a totally illogical way of looking at the universe…
nice you tube video phreedm….however you dont go back far enough….to go back far enough you need to understand our current banking system….
Charlie…you are so right.
May I suggest an eye opening book…
http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986212
This book gives the history of the banking system…
I always wondered why Jesus would care about a football game.
Wouldn’t it be funny if there really was a god and he answered prayer just the opposite of what was asked?
“Dear god, please send some rain so my crops will grow”
God: “Hmmm… OK, so I’ll make sure isn’t any rain so that dumb dope starves.”
Don’t shoot me, I didn’t make the rules. I’m just the messenger.
According to Jesus, yes, Peter was being a hypocrite when he prayed in public.
That is what is wrong with an infallible rule book. You either have to follow ALL the rules, or you’re not a true scotsman. Or something to that effect.
Of course, with all the contradictions in the buy-bull, it’s impossible to be a TRUE Scotsman.
phreedm wrote:
My response:
Actually, it is a very logical conclusion if one accepts certain premises.
Castlensnob
Which premises?
Actually, What, I was hoping phreedm would be the one to ask, but so be it.
A logical argument might go something like this:
Premise 1: Before something can be said to exist, it must have coherant, non-contradictory attributes.
Premise 2: God has contradictory attributes.
Conclusion: God doesn’t exist.
Or
Premise 1: It is reasonable to accept the existence of something in light of sufficient, objective evidence.
Premise 2: There is insufficient objective evidence for the existence of God.
Conclusion: God doesn’t exist.
Keep in mind, however, that a logical argument is only as good as its premises, as in:
Premise 1: There is an alien spaceship hiding in Halley’s Comet waiting to take us to heaven.
Premise 2: We can’t get on to this spaceship while we are still in our physical bodies.
Conclusion: We must kill ourselves so our spirits can rendezvous with said spaceship and be taken to heaven.
This, by the way, is what the Heaven’s Gate cult actually believed.
Logical, but looney. This is why I said what I did about accepting certain premises.
Castletonsnob
The second syllogism needs work. The conclusion should have been that: It is not reasonable to accept the existence God.
You are correct. One can be logical and totally disconnected with reality just as long as the “right” premises are accepted.
Castletonsnob
I have an overwhelming desire to shower now.
When I originally saw the pst, I thought it was over the loudspeaker. It looked like an impromptu prayer. Just some mass hysteria caused by a scary event. Christians have a habit of retreating to fantasy when reality isn’t going as expected.
I really can’t have a problem with this. He just happened to be the one speaking in the prayer group.
The only thing I was concerned about is they showed a player jogging over to the circle j.. er, prayer circle. They replayed the same clip twice apparently to give the impression that more players were going over.