Comments on: Too much to pass up http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:40:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: UnGodly http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up/comment-page-1#comment-89580 UnGodly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-89580 I was draft bait during the Vietnam war. On Feb 14, 1967 I had an interview with my local selective service board on my application as a Conscientious Objector. I told them that I did not believe in God, but that I thought fighting in a war was immoral.<br /> <br /> In their summary of my interview the board said "We have no doubt of this young man's sincerity, however we do not see how he can qualify as a CO".<br /> <br /> In 1968 I refused induction into the US Army.<br /> <br /> In 1970 I was arrested.<br /> <br /> In January 1971 the gummint dropped the charges and I won. It seems that in failing to give a specific reason for denying my original application they had denied me due process. <br /> <br /> So it would seem that an atheist can be a Conscientious Objector, or at least they could under the Selective Service Act of 1967.<br /> <br /> I ended up teaching TV and small appliance repairs at a Goodwill facility as my alternative service. I was draft bait during the Vietnam war. On Feb 14, 1967 I had an interview with my local selective service board on my application as a Conscientious Objector. I told them that I did not believe in God, but that I thought fighting in a war was immoral.

In their summary of my interview the board said “We have no doubt of this young man’s sincerity, however we do not see how he can qualify as a CO”.

In 1968 I refused induction into the US Army.

In 1970 I was arrested.

In January 1971 the gummint dropped the charges and I won. It seems that in failing to give a specific reason for denying my original application they had denied me due process.

So it would seem that an atheist can be a Conscientious Objector, or at least they could under the Selective Service Act of 1967.

I ended up teaching TV and small appliance repairs at a Goodwill facility as my alternative service.

]]> By: what http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up/comment-page-1#comment-89582 what Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-89582 Ungodly<br /> <br /> Thanks for the post. And thanks for your commitment to rationally directed behavior even though it could have or may have cost you dearly. Ungodly

Thanks for the post. And thanks for your commitment to rationally directed behavior even though it could have or may have cost you dearly.

]]> By: what http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up/comment-page-1#comment-89585 what Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-89585 Dave<br /> <br /> This deserves a thread:<br /> <br /> http://tinyurl.com/46mzmy<br /> Dave

This deserves a thread:

http://tinyurl.com/46mzmy

]]> By: joe zamecki http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up/comment-page-1#comment-89588 joe zamecki Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-89588 If this person spent a lot of his time reading the Bible, and loving it, he ought to WANT to be in the middle of combat. The Bible is part-religious mythology, and part-war manual. God's chosen people went on a tour of the holy land, slaughtering tribes out of existence along the way. I don't know what about that would ever conflict with combat in Iraq. America's kill ratio in Iraq is probably at least as good as it was back then for the chosen people.<br /> <br /> In the NT, Jesus promised to do the most killing in human history and never denounced the OT kill-fest for Jehovah. Later on in the Bible, we read about Armageddon.<br /> <br /> Maybe the judge never read the Bible...<br /> <br /> Joe Zamecki<br /> Austin If this person spent a lot of his time reading the Bible, and loving it, he ought to WANT to be in the middle of combat. The Bible is part-religious mythology, and part-war manual. God’s chosen people went on a tour of the holy land, slaughtering tribes out of existence along the way. I don’t know what about that would ever conflict with combat in Iraq. America’s kill ratio in Iraq is probably at least as good as it was back then for the chosen people.

In the NT, Jesus promised to do the most killing in human history and never denounced the OT kill-fest for Jehovah. Later on in the Bible, we read about Armageddon.

Maybe the judge never read the Bible…

Joe Zamecki
Austin

]]> By: http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/25/too_much_to_pass_up/comment-page-1#comment-89590 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-89590 <blockquote>What about MY sincere beliefs?</blockquote><br /> <br /> Exactly what are you beliefs Dave?<br /> <br /> I asked in an earlier thread of how one develops a moral foundation when their belief system basically says anything goes...<br /> <br /> But instead on answering the question, the new president of AA took the easy path of character assassination and name calling...<br /> <br /> Would one of those beliefs be killing is wrong? All killing? Why is killing wrong? Based upon what? And if it's based upon something, why is that "something" valid?<br /> <br /> You think I'm being argumentative, but I'm not. These are the questions I get from teenagers when we discuss the merits of being religious or non-religious...<br /> <br /> Exactly what is the code of ethics a non-believer follows and who developed those codes?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

What about MY sincere beliefs?

Exactly what are you beliefs Dave?

I asked in an earlier thread of how one develops a moral foundation when their belief system basically says anything goes…

But instead on answering the question, the new president of AA took the easy path of character assassination and name calling…

Would one of those beliefs be killing is wrong? All killing? Why is killing wrong? Based upon what? And if it’s based upon something, why is that “something” valid?

You think I’m being argumentative, but I’m not. These are the questions I get from teenagers when we discuss the merits of being religious or non-religious…

Exactly what is the code of ethics a non-believer follows and who developed those codes?

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