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		<title>By: quantum_flux</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89092</link>
		<dc:creator>quantum_flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you just need to fight dogma with dogma.  I&#039;ll pull out my secular proverbs and use it if I have to, and that is because I know that it is much more intellectually satisfying than the dogma of monotheism.&lt;br /&gt;
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Secular Proverbs -&gt; http://irrationaltheorist.blogspot.com/search/label/Secular%20Proverbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you just need to fight dogma with dogma.  I&#8217;ll pull out my secular proverbs and use it if I have to, and that is because I know that it is much more intellectually satisfying than the dogma of monotheism.</p>
<p>Secular Proverbs -> <a href="http://irrationaltheorist.blogspot.com/search/label/Secular%20Proverbs" rel="nofollow">http://irrationaltheorist.blogspot.com/search/label/Secular%20Proverbs</a></p>
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		<title>By: atheon</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89097</link>
		<dc:creator>atheon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!&lt;br /&gt;
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The son of bastards used by name &quot;Atheon&quot;...!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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The Atheon Temple of Science is an art project conceived by Jonathan Keats. Using a grant from UC Berkeley&#039;s Chancellor&#039;s Community Partnership fund, he created the Atheon in downtown Berkeley office building.&lt;br /&gt;
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That ain&#039;t right!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>
<p>The son of bastards used by name &#8220;Atheon&#8221;&#8230;!!!!</p>
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The Atheon Temple of Science is an art project conceived by Jonathan Keats. Using a grant from UC Berkeley&#8217;s Chancellor&#8217;s Community Partnership fund, he created the Atheon in downtown Berkeley office building.
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<p>That ain&#8217;t right!</p>
<p>Atheon</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89101</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t sound like the Atheon is a church at all. Good.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound like the Atheon is a church at all. Good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Buckner</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have respect aplenty for Blogmeister Silverman and for others--notably Dr. [he can write prescriptions!] Michael Newdow and Dr. [see above] Tim Gorski of Dallas Ft Worth/North Texas Church of Freethought--who&#039;re willing to entertain notions like these. But for me personally it&#039;s a nonstarter. &quot;Church&quot; and &quot;religion&quot; are terms way too intertwined, in history or the language, with the supernonsensical supernatural for us Atheists to risk getting smeared with by association. Reality--yes! Church--no, IMNSHO. 501-c-3 organizations, like American Atheists, should have *exactly* the same rights and responsibilities as religion-based ones--they are not accountable and should be, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have respect aplenty for Blogmeister Silverman and for others&#8211;notably Dr. [he can write prescriptions!] Michael Newdow and Dr. [see above] Tim Gorski of Dallas Ft Worth/North Texas Church of Freethought&#8211;who&#8217;re willing to entertain notions like these. But for me personally it&#8217;s a nonstarter. &#8220;Church&#8221; and &#8220;religion&#8221; are terms way too intertwined, in history or the language, with the supernonsensical supernatural for us Atheists to risk getting smeared with by association. Reality&#8211;yes! Church&#8211;no, IMNSHO. 501-c-3 organizations, like American Atheists, should have *exactly* the same rights and responsibilities as religion-based ones&#8211;they are not accountable and should be, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim diGriz</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim diGriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t need no stinking churches.&lt;br /&gt;
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I recall reading about a court case back in the late 1800s or early 1900s concerning religious exemptions.  The USSC basically stated that religious exemptions were unconstitutional.  They didn&#039;t become constitutional until the 16th Amendment was passed.  So maybe we should be working to repeal the 16th Amendment.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need no stinking churches.</p>
<p>I recall reading about a court case back in the late 1800s or early 1900s concerning religious exemptions.  The USSC basically stated that religious exemptions were unconstitutional.  They didn&#8217;t become constitutional until the 16th Amendment was passed.  So maybe we should be working to repeal the 16th Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: jamieguinn</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89107</link>
		<dc:creator>jamieguinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rational progressive Buddhism works for me.</description>
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		<title>By: Atheist4Life</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89113</link>
		<dc:creator>Atheist4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   Everyone says that gods were created by the first civilizations to ever roam the planet. They called things ?Gods? because they couldn?t explain what it was or how something happened. I AGREE. That?s how religion started. They saw the sun and didn?t know what it was or why it lit the whole planet, so they said it was a god since they couldn?t explain it. Along with the god of the rain, sun, moon and earth etc etc.&lt;br /&gt;
   I have a different theory to that. Back long ago in B.C. times. Has anyone very noticed the bible is the ?KING JAMES VERSION????? Because a king wrote it! Back then a lot of people knew there was no such thing as god and so the king figured that crime would go up and that one day they may come up against him since there are no consequences in the afterlife.&lt;br /&gt;
   So he wrote the fictional and well-known ?Holy Bible? to strike fear into people. People were then to scared to commit crimes or burn in hell for all eternity with ?Demons? but we all se how well that works. The U.S. has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. (I am a U.S. citizen, I&#039;m not just picking out the united states. I&#039;m just using my country as an example)&lt;br /&gt;
   That?s why the bible was written, to strike fear into others about doing any kind of misdeed. Another topic I?d like to so much get onto is people who die and claim to see ?Heaven? or ?Hell?.&lt;br /&gt;
   Something I learned in psychology. When your heart stops, your brain is still alive for several minutes. A famous psychologist named Sigmund Freud invented psychoanalysis, the study of the unconscious mind. When you ?die? your mind will flash images through your head that may seem so real that your body has a physical reaction. That?s why when you hear people who have seen Hell wake up with extremely fast heart rates and pulses from ?Fear?.&lt;br /&gt;
   People that have schizophrenia or other mental illnesses, they can hear voices and see things that aren?t there. But there mind thinks it?s real so they have a physical reaction. Like many serial killers of the past, one example is David Berkowitz. He claimed his neighbor?s dog was possessed by a demon that told him to kill. That?s how powerful the mind is. If your mind believes it, your body will also.&lt;br /&gt;
   There is something called a Placebo Affect. The doctor gives a patient who claims to have problems medication. What the patient doesn?t know is that the medicine is fake and does nothing at all. The patient comes back and says he?s been doing a lot better since he started the medication. He had nothing wrong with them, it was all psychological. His mind told him by taking the medicine he would feel better, his mind believed it and so did his body.&lt;br /&gt;
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   Don?t you see!?!? These people who claim to see ?HELL? are actually images that are caused by the brain. No one in the world can not say ?I have never in my life ever AT LEAST imagined what heaven or hell look like?. Everyone has imagined at some point in there life whether they remember it or not. When they ?die? their brain flashes these images that you may have thought about 20-30 years ago. That?s just how complex the brain is. The brain flashes images that seem so real, you wake up with your heart thumping madly and your heart rate ten times more than normal. Not to mention you just had your ass shocked with 500 volts of electricity. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone says that gods were created by the first civilizations to ever roam the planet. They called things ?Gods? because they couldn?t explain what it was or how something happened. I AGREE. That?s how religion started. They saw the sun and didn?t know what it was or why it lit the whole planet, so they said it was a god since they couldn?t explain it. Along with the god of the rain, sun, moon and earth etc etc.<br />
   I have a different theory to that. Back long ago in B.C. times. Has anyone very noticed the bible is the ?KING JAMES VERSION????? Because a king wrote it! Back then a lot of people knew there was no such thing as god and so the king figured that crime would go up and that one day they may come up against him since there are no consequences in the afterlife.<br />
   So he wrote the fictional and well-known ?Holy Bible? to strike fear into people. People were then to scared to commit crimes or burn in hell for all eternity with ?Demons? but we all se how well that works. The U.S. has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. (I am a U.S. citizen, I&#8217;m not just picking out the united states. I&#8217;m just using my country as an example)<br />
   That?s why the bible was written, to strike fear into others about doing any kind of misdeed. Another topic I?d like to so much get onto is people who die and claim to see ?Heaven? or ?Hell?.<br />
   Something I learned in psychology. When your heart stops, your brain is still alive for several minutes. A famous psychologist named Sigmund Freud invented psychoanalysis, the study of the unconscious mind. When you ?die? your mind will flash images through your head that may seem so real that your body has a physical reaction. That?s why when you hear people who have seen Hell wake up with extremely fast heart rates and pulses from ?Fear?.<br />
   People that have schizophrenia or other mental illnesses, they can hear voices and see things that aren?t there. But there mind thinks it?s real so they have a physical reaction. Like many serial killers of the past, one example is David Berkowitz. He claimed his neighbor?s dog was possessed by a demon that told him to kill. That?s how powerful the mind is. If your mind believes it, your body will also.<br />
   There is something called a Placebo Affect. The doctor gives a patient who claims to have problems medication. What the patient doesn?t know is that the medicine is fake and does nothing at all. The patient comes back and says he?s been doing a lot better since he started the medication. He had nothing wrong with them, it was all psychological. His mind told him by taking the medicine he would feel better, his mind believed it and so did his body.</p>
<p>   Don?t you see!?!? These people who claim to see ?HELL? are actually images that are caused by the brain. No one in the world can not say ?I have never in my life ever AT LEAST imagined what heaven or hell look like?. Everyone has imagined at some point in there life whether they remember it or not. When they ?die? their brain flashes these images that you may have thought about 20-30 years ago. That?s just how complex the brain is. The brain flashes images that seem so real, you wake up with your heart thumping madly and your heart rate ten times more than normal. Not to mention you just had your ass shocked with 500 volts of electricity. </p>
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		<title>By: Dorky Mommy</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89114</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorky Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheism is not a religion, and I am so thankful for that.  &lt;br /&gt;
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But I miss going to church. I miss the friendships, and the social life: potluck suppers and circle meetings with cake and coffee, and gossiping after the service, and choir practice. Most of all I miss the music.  There is nowhere else I can hear Bach played on an organ. &lt;br /&gt;
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But I would not support an atheist church.  It just doesn&#039;t make sense.  And I strongly object to the misuse of builing materials and money in the buildiing of churches.  They are useless and empty most of the time.  We need to work to make churches pay their fair share of taxes, just like the other social clubs do.  That is all they really are.  &lt;br /&gt;
(But I still sing hymns in the privacy of my home, where nobody can hear me.  They were the folk music of my childhood and I miss them. ) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheism is not a religion, and I am so thankful for that.  </p>
<p>But I miss going to church. I miss the friendships, and the social life: potluck suppers and circle meetings with cake and coffee, and gossiping after the service, and choir practice. Most of all I miss the music.  There is nowhere else I can hear Bach played on an organ. </p>
<p>But I would not support an atheist church.  It just doesn&#8217;t make sense.  And I strongly object to the misuse of builing materials and money in the buildiing of churches.  They are useless and empty most of the time.  We need to work to make churches pay their fair share of taxes, just like the other social clubs do.  That is all they really are.  <br />
(But I still sing hymns in the privacy of my home, where nobody can hear me.  They were the folk music of my childhood and I miss them. )</p>
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		<title>By: Atheist4Life</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89115</link>
		<dc:creator>Atheist4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with that dorky mommy. why should we spend BILLIONS of dollars on churches that are mostly empty rather than BILLIONS of dollars on hospitals or other important things like tracking down criminals.&lt;br /&gt;
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they should pay there taxes just like everyone else oe every other social group is also free from taxes. this is supposed to be the land of the free!&lt;br /&gt;
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were not free, this country is ruled nearly 100% by religion. check this link out to see the discrimination we get!&lt;br /&gt;
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SCROLL DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT &quot;STATE CONSTITUTIONS&quot; i could beleive my eyes....&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_Against_Atheists#United_States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with that dorky mommy. why should we spend BILLIONS of dollars on churches that are mostly empty rather than BILLIONS of dollars on hospitals or other important things like tracking down criminals.</p>
<p>they should pay there taxes just like everyone else oe every other social group is also free from taxes. this is supposed to be the land of the free!</p>
<p>were not free, this country is ruled nearly 100% by religion. check this link out to see the discrimination we get!</p>
<p>SCROLL DOWN TO THE PART ABOUT &#8220;STATE CONSTITUTIONS&#8221; i could beleive my eyes&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_Against_Atheists#United_States" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_Against_Atheists#United_States</a></p>
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		<title>By: Atheist4Life</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/09/16/nontheistic_churches/comment-page-1#comment-89116</link>
		<dc:creator>Atheist4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im so sorry for double posting, but its actually&lt;br /&gt;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States&lt;br /&gt;
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lower case &quot;a&quot; on atheist and against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im so sorry for double posting, but its actually</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#United_States</a></p>
<p>lower case &#8220;a&#8221; on atheist and against.</p>
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