Thanks to JE.
Palin’s Churches and the Third WavePart 1: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583Part 2: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/03830/11602 Scary video in the second part:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM&eurl=http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/03830/11602With links to other scary videos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ4WOOceGishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVIPF_PmHuQ&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpKR0REYrnY&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7n3h0fCAYkhttp://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=964′Arming’ for ArmageddonMilitant Joel’s Army Followers Seek Theocracy By Casey Sanchez Photography by Lowell Handler Intelligence Report Fall 2008
What,
I have been diagnosed with tangential thoughts. Perhaps you have noticed? Sometimes it takes me a half hour to get around to my original point, by which time I have forgotten what it was I wanted to say. But I am definitely not schizophrenic, and neither is Ren.
Oh wait… nevermind!
Ren
I agree that it should be or will be Dave’s call.
Wife and kids are fine. Thanks for asking. Yours?
Ren
I’m about to head out on a bike ride with the kids so I will make this quick. Tangential thinking is not a diagnoses but rather I symptom. I see no evidence of it whatsoever in your posts. To the contrary your posts are well organized and fact-based as opposed to delusion-based.
What,
Family is doing fine. Thanks. I wasn’t even sure you had a wife and kids, I was just trying to keep my post light hearted.
I believe you when you say it is a symptom and not a disorder in and of itself. You can credit better living through chemistry for not being able to notice it in my posts, but boy, you should hear me talk when I get excited/agitated:-(
I cant believe atheist are considering giving religion more credulity…..
so how does 6th grade science class go….
well jimmy…god created eve from adam’s rib…
how about we focus more on what we know…..like the earth is a hunk of cooling metal on an axis in an orbit around a glowing ball of hydrogen….
The Gall that people have telling me about the likes and dislikes of thier supernatural friends….
Ren
Even my tangential thoughts have tangential thoughts have tangential thoughts have tangential thoughts have tangential thoughts…
Karen,
And so it goes. How ’bout them NY Giants? Did I tell you I have a dog? My favorite color is blue…
DorkyMommy
I agree with Ren-great post!
And it’s hardly fair if teachers are being assessed by student progress alone, when one teacher may be given a class of AG students and another teacher may have a class of repeaters, with BED, ESL, and BMH mixed in. AYP (Accepted Yearly Progress) is a joke, because all schools are not held to the same guidelines. If a school does not have a certain number of ESL kids in the school, then that subset of growth is not measured for that school, for example.
Student and parental responsibility has to be taken into account. It is very difficult for a teacher to impress upon a student the value of learning if the parents don’t reinforce that in the home. And a teacher who has to constantly discipline students who don’t know how to or refuse to behave in a classroom setting, there is little time for teaching.
Ren
Blasphemer! How many times must I tell you? STEELERS!!!!!!! Yellow and Gold. Terrible Towel. I need to do laundry…
6th grade science class consists of explaining why creationism is incorrect and why evolution is correct, why faith in God is superstitious and how secular science can explain reality much better. Kids ought to be able to explain the basic principles of newtonian gravity and electromagnetism by that level, know something about waves and the different types of waves. Kids should be able experiment with telescopes and microscopes by the 6th grade and have a basic understanding of celestial mechanics and germ theory. An atheist professor should expect no less!
With computer aided learning and Wikipedia these days, kids should be able to explain things people learn in college these days
quantum_flux
what god fearing “science” teacher is going to explain why faith in God is superstitious….
I’ve googled 6th grade science curriculum and it barely touches on evolution, and varies by state. Georgia’s mentions the Big Bang, but I didn’t see evolution. In states where evolution was present, it was in the 7th, and last competency goal. If teachers go in order, they may not even get to it, but they don’t necessarily have to go through the book in order. Still, it wasn’t a highly developed unit, mostly vaguely introductory. How much gets taught will be very dependent upon whether the state will be doing standardized testing in science or not.
Here’s the NC Standard as an example:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/curriculum/science/scos/2004/19grade6
Any science teacher that is paid on a performance basis would not necessarily make it if they turn their lectures into a theology lesson.
Karen – Stillers!
Unless of course, we end up with a Theologian in Chief.
Even if we have a “Theologian in Chief” as you like to call John McCain and Sarah Palin, that does not amount to Monarchy. Nobody has to suck the pope’s dick here. Teaching science will not ever revert back to the dark ages.
Famous last words. I sure hope you are right.
Eh, it probably will go back to the dark ages. Fuck it, open a beer & enjoy the show. You’ve got a front row seat here in the US!
I know I am right
Looks like a bunch of kooky holy-rollers to me– I’m afraid the religious majority of the United States will elect such a holy-roller.
mx,
I will not go gently into that bad night.
When that happens, Christians will live to meet their maker. Our job will to be to grant as many of them their wish, as possible, before we get burned at the stake.
Comment from: quantum_flux
Obviously you haven’t spent much time with high school students…
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7616
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/is_a_new_dark_age_at_hand_1.html
Since the left has been in control of education in America for the past 40 years, I’d say it’s time to rethink the way we approach science…
By the way…
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm
Of course you have to read down to the 7th paragraph to get the actual truth about the poll…
The Phreekies still haven’t learned how to think and vote for themselves. These single issue (abortion) voters are just fine with killing Iraqis and Iranians for the fun and profit of the international oil industry. And what does the Phreeky type gain? The destruction of the US economy. Nice trade Phreeks.
The Phreekies still don’t understand how our economy got so f’d up. They have no clue how the rethuglican attack on the regulation of the financial industry sat us up for this disaster. One need look no further than McSame’s financial adviser Phil Graham for the answers.
Gramm was responsible for the efforts to pass “banking reform laws”. Most notable was the landmark Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999. This act reduced government regulations (which existed since the Great Depression) separating the banking, insurance and brokerage industries.
The bad lending practices that were enabled by the rethuglicans resulted in bad loans being sold as AAA to unsuspecting investors such as Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Now these institutions have failed and everyone of you is going to pay for this failure. The shock wave is propagating through our economy as we speak and it will only be getting worse.
And who do the rethuglicans put up as their candidate? John McCain! This scum bag was involved in protecting those that engineered our last banking disaster – The S and L Crisis of the late 80′s and early 90′s. The Keating Five would have been the Keating Four without John But-I’m-Still-A-POW McCain.
Wise up America. Vote YOUR interests.
Vote Obama/Biden
The rest Palin Comparison
flux,
We should hold a pageant. You, Phreedumb, and Nuclear Nads can compete for the least relevent. Work harder, you can do it, you’re running a close second.
What is this crap about democracy stabilizing oil prices. Were you awake in history class? OPEC was formed with the help of Henry Kissinger, because Congress refused to supply Iran with arms to fight Hussein, unless they paid cash. Saudi Arabia contacted Washington and asked them if they were insane. Oh, well, Iran got their weapons, and now they have us by the short hairs.
Asemodeus repeated what I already said, you force democracy upon a culture ruled by it’s religious leaders, and they will elect their religious leaders, particularly in a culture that is religiously divided. And Einstein had no such simplistic answers, to answer your question.
Dorky Mom,
I agree with two others above about the relevence of your post. I have ADHD and did very poorly in school. But, school was different then, I listened in class, sort of, I didn’t do homework, but, I passed all the tests, and back then, that was enough to pass the class.
Now, I have two children, one with ADHD, one with ADD, but this after IDEA was passed in congress guaranteeing equal education for students with learning disabilities. When my kids were doing poorly I tried to force them to comply with those standards, but the courts have deluted it so much, pulled it’s teeth, that it cannot be enforced any more. All it does is generate paperwork.
But, I always told them, the fact that they don’t fit into the boring student assembly line has nothing to do with their potential. I sited Neil Armstrong as an example. The first man on the moon had attention deficit. It just takes the right teacher to recognize and emphasize the potential of each student. I think a teaching position should be sought, not only on credentials and desire, but talent for bringing out the best in all students. And they should be paid accordingly, being the stewards of our future generation.
I thought there was a post to this effect, but, I can’t find it, so let me present it as my own, with a clear conscience since I have stated it before. I hear members of our movement expressing great fear about creationism being taught side by side with evolution in science classes. I think it may be a perfect oportunity. Let them say that god created the universe in six days, then let them consider how many catastophic impacts there have been visible on the moon in human history. Then let them study a map of the surface of the moon and decide for themselves how old it is. We have nothing to fear, the truth is on our side.
Do you think for a moment that a science teacher has more influence over the opinions of brainwashed children than their parents do? You can show them the facts all day, but when they go home and their parents tell them it’s the lies of the devil, you lose!!! There is only one way to win, and that is to take the enemy straight on head to head for the hearts and minds of our children. What you propose can be spun into Satan’s censorship. You have to confront it.
NeoWolfe
Neowolf,
First, you seem to be making a huge assumption that creationists masquerading as science teachers will actually present the two concepts equally and allow the students to “make up” their own mind.
Second (and more importantly), you first have to establish that creationism is a science. Since it cannot meet the basic requirements to be termed a science (i.e., it should be able to pass through the scientific method) then it shouldn’t be presented in the science class room.
Now, if you wanted to explore the idea of it being taught in some form of a ?world religions? course, that would sense to me. But non-science subjects being taught as science in the science class room? WTF?
And finally, as per your own post, creationism is already being taught by churches and parents, we don?t need to also teach religious beliefs in the science class room just for the sake of comparing ideas. And by the way, how would you train science teachers to teach creationism? What would be the necessary qualifications to do so? Would there be a test for them? Would they have to take Judeo-Christian courses at a religious academic institution? Would just saying ?God made it in 6 days? suffice?
P.S. What exactly is our movement? I just want churches to stay out of my wallet and out of my government ? is that the movement you?re talking about?
DVW
I agree with both you and NewWolfe. NeoWolfe was simply stating that science has an advantage over creationism – facts! In a fair fight science wins. But the fight is not fair as you have stated.
What,
My point was less about science having an obvious advantage when presented in an equal light with creationism than it was about pointing out the absurdity of teaching non-science subjects in science class as was suggested by Neowolf. But thanks for the nod : )
What,
Let me elaborate (I’m between paintings and yes, I’m bored).
This issue of bringing creationism into the public science classroom is simple. To me, it isn’t as complicated as a separation of church and state issue. It isn’t as complicated as the issue of our public science classrooms becoming a forum for equal-opportunity idea sharing. The issue is much simpler in my eyes.
It seems to me the issue is this; why would we teach non-science subjects in a science classroom? We don’t teach English literature in the science classroom. We don’t teach drawing and painting in a science classroom ? why the exception for Judeo-Christian religious philosophy?
Is it simply because certain Christian fundamentalists believe it should be taught in the science classroom? If that is the only reason, then the answer is simple; when they can prove creationism a science, then it can be taught next to evolution and abiogenesis in the public science classroom. Otherwise, it doesn?t make sense to compare non-scientific concepts against establish scientific theories simply for the sake of showing how they can?t hold up ? certainly not in the public school system. It confuses what it is science actually is.
That’s all I was saying.