Thanks to JE.
Palin’s Churches and the Third WavePart 1: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/0244/84583Part 2: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/03830/11602 Scary video in the second part:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM&eurl=http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/5/03830/11602With links to other scary videos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ4WOOceGishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVIPF_PmHuQ&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpKR0REYrnY&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7n3h0fCAYkhttp://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=964′Arming’ for ArmageddonMilitant Joel’s Army Followers Seek Theocracy By Casey Sanchez Photography by Lowell Handler Intelligence Report Fall 2008
Would rather be on the Christian Conservative side in this conflict than on the Communist/Islamic side. I’m not saying “Welcome to World War III” because nobody on either side really would push the button except maybe on the Islamic side of things. As a conservative atheist, plan (actively plan) for the best and prepare (actively prepare) for the worst. The Christians are the puppets for us atheists in this conflict. Atheism is a result of secular logic being applied to the natural world, but with political activism I believe that these Christian Zionists can be controlled by us.
Fact: No Christian is going to be raptured up into heaven.
Fact: The Christians want to bring democracy to the Middle East (little do they realise that free trade is good for atheism and bad for religion, so they really are pushing our secular American agenda). Anyhow, a democratic republic would give reasonable oil prices if there were competing oil companies instead of unionized companies.
Fact: Sarah Palin wants to drill for oil in Alaska which is good for American economy, so let her do it!
Fact: You can’t destroy belief in Creationism in a classroom setting unless you first can mention it in the classroom and explain why it is wrong or controversial.
QF:
On fact 1: Okay.
Of2: They want to bring Jesus to the Middle East even more so, or (like in the Crusades) make them wish they had Jesus. The question is: Do they want a democracy? If not, are we right in forcing them to accept our political ideals?
Of3: It’s not that simple.
Of4: Sure you can.
By the way, the Holy Spirit is merely a repressed sexual urge and is a sensation of egoless zombiness due to Church Doctrines such as “Live to serve others” and “Die to the desires of your old self”…. porn may very well be a solution for these nuts
Hey, things are as simple as they need to be, any simpler and they’d be incorrect and any more complex and they’d be wrong. I believe Einstein said something along those lines.
Dave
Please delete quantum-flux’s posts. He is obviously just trying to be disruptive or he is having a mental health crisis. Seriously.
What, I raise perfectly valid points that perfectly rational atheists can consider and then reject or accept. No need for censorship on these points.
Suddenly introducing democracy to a region does not prevent extremist or religious nuts.
Since what did Iraqi’s do when they got the chance to elect their leaders? They elected religious extremists.
They are already forcing native christian Iraq’s from the country and any other group they don’t like.
I’m sure they’d rather be introduced to capitalism instead of communism.
quantum_flux…you’ve most likely been around long enough to realize that “What…do I know”…is a hysterical member of this blog who can not stand up to intelligent debate…
He along with about 3 or 4 others will sooner then later turn to “censorship” as their answer to your very thoughtful statements and questions…
Absolutely great statement…
Even though I would debate from the opposite side, this is exactly why the vast majority of atheists want to keep the debate out of the classroom…
The thought that any “Intelligent Designer” might be discovered, whether an alien or deity, scares them to death…even their prophet, Christopher Hitchens believes in the possibility of ID…
Think of the results of this position. Dave and AA are able to not only use this debate as a fund raiser, this debate is also the foundational argument against school vouchers…
The results? Dave and Barry (AA and the ACLU) are two of the main organizations who condemn inner city kids to stay in failing public schools…
And as any world history student knows, an uneducated society is easier to control…
This thread is nothing more then another “Anti-Palin” post, poorly veiled behind the idea of “Joel’s Army”…
Funny…I don’t remember similar threads discussing NObama’s 20 year association (AS AN ADULT) sitting in the pews of a church that teaches “Black Theology”…
What,
Q_F has every right to post his opinions in this forum. He just proves the old axiom, “It is better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.”
Phreedm,
I’ll make a deal with you. I will agree that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools, when you agree that science should be taught (by qualified individuals) from the pulpit, in churches.
I don’t know who you are talking about, but it certainly isn’t me. I want to know the truth, and only the truth, no matter where it leads me. So far, I have seen absolutly no evidence of anything supernatural. I have, on the other hand, seen tons of evidence refuting said entities. That is why I am an Atheist. No need to inject fear into the equation.
You are absolutly correct. Now tell me again why Adam and Eve were thrown out of the G.O.E.? Oh right! FOR EATING FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE!
Gee, Phreddy; I wonder what kind of theology YOUR church would preach if it was YOUR race that had been enslaved by our country for over 200 yrs, and then institutionally discriminated against for another 150 yrs.
Are you even capable of placing yourself into someone else’s shoes? Might I suggest you talk to your church elders about doing some missionary work in Haiti? I believe it would open your eyes quite a bit. I know my tour in Haiti was a life altering event for me.
Dave…OT,
But the article is by an atheist and the rebuttal at the bottom is by Alexander( a jew) so I wondered your opinion on this.
http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/09/09/07/0907sartwell_edit.html
Just out of curiosity, why is reverend wright’s black theology worse than Jerry Falwell’s anti-gay theology? At least wright has a historical base. I can’t name a single occurence where homosexuals have repressed others rights.
Didn’t wasallia develop a 20 million dollar debt during palin’s leadership?
My opinion about Creationism being taught in schools:
quantum_flux,
That is the most lucid thing I have heard you say in days. I would, however, like to bring up a point that you made.
That is the crux of the problem, isn’t it? With eighty some odd percent of Americans identifying themselves as Christians, it is safe to assume that a similar percentage applies to teachers, as well. How many teachers would teach creationism as just another competing theory, and how many would teach it as fact?
“How many teachers would teach creationism as just another competing theory, and how many would teach it as fact?”
That is besides the point. Teachers do NOT have the right to teach what they think they should teach. They are forced by state law to teach what the state wants them to teach.
Which is why teachers who teach creationism are giving up their jobs by doing so. It isn’t that creationism is junk, its that they are violating state law.
So if a state were to allow creationism into the classrooms while at the same time have actual science taught in churches, it has nothing to do with the opinions/faith of the science teachers.
Students have to pass their classes. If we get rid of the teachers union and tenure (something McCain/Palin are for), then teachers will be awarded based on performance instead of seniority. Unions for teachers doesn’t make sense, dammit, it pretty much is communism! Teaching is supposed to be a vocation. I believe that creationist teachers will be upstaged by evolutionist teachers (as shown by performance) and the thing will iron itself out.
By the way, is there a better word to use for that besides “vocation”?
I believe that doing away with teacher’s unions, would just open the door for McSame/Pale-in-comparison, to fire those teachers that refused to teach creationism as fact.
And that’s a fact, Jack.
Firing of teachers is done by performance.
How about “profession”.
4 a: a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation b: a principal calling, vocation, or employment c: the whole body of persons engaged in a calling
Exactly! If they don’t perform to the new standard, they will be fired.
Ren
Dave does delete posts. A “right” to post here does not exist. In particular Dave will delete posts that are preachy or spam-like. Quantum has definitely become a preacher. Whats more it is very difficult to tell what he is preaching about.
Quantum
Your solutions to “problems” always consist of string of improbable and loosely connected events. This sort of thinking, which is referred to in the medical community as loose association and tangential thinking, is typical of schizophrenics and those with schizoid personality traits. Have you been diagnosed with either? I am not taking a jab at you. I merely want to know who I am talking to so that I may gauge my reaction to your posts.
I want to know who decides when a teacher is successful. The teacher whose students pass all the standardized tests, or the teacher who inspires students to do some unconventional thinking? Some of the best teachers I have ever known were unconventional, and their best lessons were realized in late life, not in the testing sessions.
If you consider teaching to be a vocation, you might want to consider turning over all education to nuns and other religious people, who believe they are called by god, and don’t care what their salaries are. But, then you will not have real education.
Teaching is a JOB. A hard job. And it should be rewarded properly. Teachers’ unions are protection against arbitrary discriminatiion.
My standard the Richard Feynmans and Roger Penroses of the world.
A lot of teachers are just holding back!
What,
Well, I guess I had better clean up my vocabulary and start using words like coitus, penis and vagina, instead of fuck, dick and pu$$y, huh?
Wouldn’t want to upset the children with my ‘adult’ language.
Look, I understand what you are saying, but I am such a staunch proponent of free speech, that I don’t believe in calling for others to be censored. If Dave decides to delete a post, so be it, but that should be his call. It is his blog, afterall.
So how are the wife and kids?
Dorky Mommy,
Excellent post. You might want to think about changing your handle. You’re not dorky at all.