Comments on: Texas Bible Class Video Challenge http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge A Blog of Atheist Thought Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:30:55 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: what http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86153 what Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86153 Hi Joe<br /> <br /> How do you plan on making Texas high school students aware of your challenge? YouTube alone?<br /> <br /> I like the idea a lot. Hi Joe

How do you plan on making Texas high school students aware of your challenge? YouTube alone?

I like the idea a lot.

]]> By: charlie http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86154 charlie Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86154 Yep Great Idea.....once young minds get past blasphemy they will be well on thier way to seeing how ridiculous religion, especially monotheism, really is....<br /> <br /> maybe we should not be against teaching the bible in schools....as long as there are no blasphemy rules...and all questions can be entertained....hmmmmm Yep Great Idea…..once young minds get past blasphemy they will be well on thier way to seeing how ridiculous religion, especially monotheism, really is….

maybe we should not be against teaching the bible in schools….as long as there are no blasphemy rules…and all questions can be entertained….hmmmmm

]]> By: UnGodly http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86155 UnGodly Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86155 Will Joe or American Atheists help pay for the medical bills or funeral expenses of the kids that express their true opinions of genocide, rape and misogyny?<br /> <br /> In a Jeebus drenched environment anyone that begins to speak the truth is likely to receive an extremely hostile reaction.<br /> <br /> With the fervently religious deluded, ridiculing their stupidity in a Bible class is likely to evoke a reaction similar to what would happen if a person went to church and started yelling at the pastor.<br /> <br /> I'm all for confronting stupidity and calling things what they really are, but I'd hate to see some bright young atheist teen in a hospital because fellow students decided to share the Good News of Gawd's luv. Will Joe or American Atheists help pay for the medical bills or funeral expenses of the kids that express their true opinions of genocide, rape and misogyny?

In a Jeebus drenched environment anyone that begins to speak the truth is likely to receive an extremely hostile reaction.

With the fervently religious deluded, ridiculing their stupidity in a Bible class is likely to evoke a reaction similar to what would happen if a person went to church and started yelling at the pastor.

I’m all for confronting stupidity and calling things what they really are, but I’d hate to see some bright young atheist teen in a hospital because fellow students decided to share the Good News of Gawd’s luv.

]]> By: alexatheist http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86157 alexatheist Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86157 Why not teach comparative religion like in Europe? why just bible classes? American kids are woefully ignorant when it comes to their own religion but even more so the religion of others. <br /> Why not teach comparative religion like in Europe? why just bible classes? American kids are woefully ignorant when it comes to their own religion but even more so the religion of others.

]]> By: phreedm http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86159 phreedm Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86159 Hmmm...Joe,<br /> <br /> I believe you're going about it all wrong...<br /> <br /> If a teacher were to use this class and discuss the very questions you bring up, it would be in violation of the restrictions placed on the teaching of the course...<br /> <br /> However, if a child raises the questions you present, it opens the doors for the teachers to expand on what the bible teaches...<br /> <br /> The bible is being taught from the standpoint of literature...<br /> <br /> Not to insult your writing abilities, but just about every great author recognizes the bibles literary value... <br /> <br /> You should have given a bit more thought to your challenge...<br /> <br /> Question...<br /> <br /> Since your so quick to complain about others work in society...<br /> <br /> Under your leadership what charity work has the Texas chapter of AA accomplished over say the past year...?<br /> Hmmm…Joe,

I believe you’re going about it all wrong…

If a teacher were to use this class and discuss the very questions you bring up, it would be in violation of the restrictions placed on the teaching of the course…

However, if a child raises the questions you present, it opens the doors for the teachers to expand on what the bible teaches…

The bible is being taught from the standpoint of literature…

Not to insult your writing abilities, but just about every great author recognizes the bibles literary value…

You should have given a bit more thought to your challenge…

Question…

Since your so quick to complain about others work in society…

Under your leadership what charity work has the Texas chapter of AA accomplished over say the past year…?

]]> By: Friday Pirate http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86161 Friday Pirate Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86161 It's not being taught "as literature". Literature is the excuse being used to teach the bible as truth. It’s not being taught “as literature”. Literature is the excuse being used to teach the bible as truth.

]]> By: joe zamecki http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86163 joe zamecki Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86163 What - I'm hoping to get some media attention for it, but yes, I'm able to reach a lot of people on Youtube, and at no financial cost. I also have a big e-mail list of Atheists I send these posts to, and I also post them to AtheistNation.net, this blog, and I'm set to do at least one guest spot on an online radio show for Atheists. So not just Youtube, although Youtube is awesome.<br /> <br /> It would really help this project and our movement if we all check out and help pass around videos like this one. What – I’m hoping to get some media attention for it, but yes, I’m able to reach a lot of people on Youtube, and at no financial cost. I also have a big e-mail list of Atheists I send these posts to, and I also post them to AtheistNation.net, this blog, and I’m set to do at least one guest spot on an online radio show for Atheists. So not just Youtube, although Youtube is awesome.

It would really help this project and our movement if we all check out and help pass around videos like this one.

]]> By: joe zamecki http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86164 joe zamecki Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86164 UnGodly - I hear ya. Well this is why I said to use respect when asking these questions. Usually we don't have a problem with that, even among our young student Atheists. <br /> <br /> No, if someone gets hurt because they asked these questions with respect, AA and I cannot pay for that. But if that were to happen, it would've happened eventually. It would also make a great lawsuit, and most teachers of any subject at all try to avoid litigation over their teaching. <br /> <br /> We shall see how this turns out, if at all. I'm more concerned that too many Atheists won't ever hear about this. That's why I'm trying to get on talkshows about it. UnGodly – I hear ya. Well this is why I said to use respect when asking these questions. Usually we don’t have a problem with that, even among our young student Atheists.

No, if someone gets hurt because they asked these questions with respect, AA and I cannot pay for that. But if that were to happen, it would’ve happened eventually. It would also make a great lawsuit, and most teachers of any subject at all try to avoid litigation over their teaching.

We shall see how this turns out, if at all. I’m more concerned that too many Atheists won’t ever hear about this. That’s why I’m trying to get on talkshows about it.

]]> By: jonathan smith http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86165 jonathan smith Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86165 Not to insult your writing abilities, but just about every great author recognizes the bibles literary value... <br /> <br /> Like these pearls of literature?<br /> <br /> God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all.<br /> Genesis7:21-23 <br /> After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both mast##bation and birth control.Genesis 38:8-10 <br /> God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters."Leviticus 26:16 39 <br /> Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.)Lev 31:1-54 <br /> Two sisters were guilty of "committing whoredoms" by pressing their breasts and bruising "the teats of their virginity." As a punishment, one sister's nakedness was discovered, her children were taken from her, and she was killed by the sword. And the fate of the surviving sister was even worse: Her nose and ears were cut off, she was made to "pluck off" her own breasts, and then after being raped and mutilated, she is stoned to death.Ezekiel 23:1-49 <br /> <br /> Great stuff!!!!! Not to insult your writing abilities, but just about every great author recognizes the bibles literary value…

Like these pearls of literature?

God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears — all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all.
Genesis7:21-23
After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to “go in unto they brother’s wife.” But “Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and … when he went in unto his brother’s wife … he spilled it on the ground…. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also.” This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both mast##bation and birth control.Genesis 38:8-10
God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says “ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it,” “I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children,” and “ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters.”Leviticus 26:16 39
Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins — Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty — including the virgins.)Lev 31:1-54
Two sisters were guilty of “committing whoredoms” by pressing their breasts and bruising “the teats of their virginity.” As a punishment, one sister’s nakedness was discovered, her children were taken from her, and she was killed by the sword. And the fate of the surviving sister was even worse: Her nose and ears were cut off, she was made to “pluck off” her own breasts, and then after being raped and mutilated, she is stoned to death.Ezekiel 23:1-49

Great stuff!!!!!

]]> By: teammarty http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/19/texas_bible_class_video_challenge/comment-page-1#comment-86168 teammarty Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-86168 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, his mother, and wife, and children, and bretheren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple"<br /> <br /> Luke 14:26 “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, his mother, and wife, and children, and bretheren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple”

Luke 14:26

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