CHICAGO (AP) – For decades the Rev. Jesse Jackson has rallied against the use of the N-word – an ethnic slur he has repeatedly told the American public is hateful and degrading. But Fox News confirmed to The Associated Press Wednesday that the longtime civil rights activist used the term in what Jackson thought was a private conversation during a break from a TV interview.Jackson has already come under fire this month for crude off-air comments he made against presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama that were recorded during a taping of a “Fox & Friends” news show.In additional comments from that same conversation, first reported by TVNewser, Jackson is reported to have said Obama was “talking down to black people … telling ‘N-words’ how to behave.”Fox declined to release the full transcript of the July 6 show and did not air the comments.
The man can rhyme, the man can speak.Supposedly helping supposedly weakBut though he is a “man of god”His words amount to total fraudI wonder if his god concurredIt’s right to use the famed “n-word”or if at this his god would frown,Because God lives in “Heimey-town”We all know he will serve no timeWhen god’s involved, fraud isn’t crime.His rhymes are better than mine — who cares?At least I’m not the one praying to air.
obama was talking down to colored people.those people like the other races have females who can’t keep their legs closed an men get the blame.
Alex 75 yrs ago this level of crime did not exist because even white men were afraid of the night riders.
phreedm
If you love him, support him and don’t try to change him. Don’t give him any “abomination ” crap. If you can’t do that, leave him the hell alone.
reason
Once again, I don’t know how to read you. Are you flaming, or are you really as ignorant as your post sounds?
Dpes anybody have any idea what the heck it is that Jesse Jackson does for money? Does he have a ‘job’? My guess is that he pulls in dough from speaking engagements. If so, he must be pulling it in by the bucket full!
A few years ago I lived in Huntsville, TX, and he showed up, along with the Black Panthers and other trouble-making types, to protest the execution of a black man. He didn’t stay in little Huntsville because none of the motels were fine enough but camped out in Houston in a posh hotel. And he didn’t drive up but helicoptered in. He may be black but I’m thinking he isn’t one of the ‘regular’ black people, Reverend or not.
Karen
I don’t think Reason was flaming. Which leaves the other alternative?
GF&G
What are “regular black people”? There are plenty of people that would think we atheists and the heads of our organizations are “trouble-making types”?
I’m in agreement w/ Alex. I’d prefer blacks stay right where they are – baby-daddies thanking Jeebus when they get an award for rhyming some shit.
Matador
Would you elaborate a bit. It’s difficult to decipher what the point of your last post was beyond displaying some unapologetic racism.
I don’t think Ellen Johnson would have tolerated the racism presently being displayed by Dave.
Reinstate Ellen.
Let the lesson of Jesse Jackson teach us the importance of using reason and logic in our discourse, rather than ad hominem attacks and other emotional outbursts.
We’re all guilty, including the posters who are slamming Jesse Jackson. The lesson we can learn about the effectiveness of this behavior can be summed up as follows:
What has Jesse Jackson accomplished in the last 40 years?
Nothing.
What,
“Well they do it too…..!”-type arguments are juvenile. Of course members of all groups do this kind of shit. That doesn’t make it right. That doesn’t mean you can’t single out an individual and suggest their behavior shouldn’t have been tolerated when it has been because “they” (the people it was against) “do it too”.
“They do it too” never flew in the principal’s office, and most parents of a certain generation might even be inclined to retort with a certain question about a bridge.
We’re talking about national response here — the reflection of what “polite” society considers acceptable, as voted upon by their response (or lack thereof). That’s the sickness reflected in society that I’m talking about — the sickness that allows someone making a joke like Imus get nearly lynched and people like Bush Sr. suggesting that atheists aren’t even citizens barely noticed at all.
Comically enough, we’re talking about the same thing — hey, why are “they” getting a free pass, huh? Except when I do it, I’m suggesting that NO ONE should get a free pass, but it seems like (to me) your motivation is more about trying to fallaciously invalidate the one person’s complaint because “they do it too”. (You really need to learn these fallacies.)
I don’t understand how people, who consider themselves rationalists, can set others aside, based on the color of their skin in an “us vs them” mentality. Chris is right. Where’s the reason and logic in that?
alexatheist,
For the record, blacks are too atheists. I’m black and an atheists.
So what credibility does that lend to your comments.
You said: Its not AA’s fault that blacks arent atheists and I actually believe that religion might be one of the few things that keeps many blacks from being more prone to crime than they already are.
I say: This is true, but what does that have to do with the price of peanuts in China? This is a parallel position that Christians take toward atheists; with one major difference. Christians see atheists as blacks without religion “TODAY”. They see us (atheists) as a danger to their society; as moraless and evil beings. Are their concerns true also?
Perhaps you should be more careful when you stereo type other minorities; you might see the same bigotry in your own words that you’ve experienced as an atheist from Xtians.
You said: Maybe we shouldnt encourage atheism in the black community for our own sake.
I say: Maybe the Christians shouldn’t allow atheists in their great Xtian country called United States of America for their own sake. Does that sound familiar?
You said: After having my car window broken two times this month while it was parked in Durham and my GPS and cell phone stolen in broad daylight Im feeling especially wary of blacks now and have lost any and all interst in trying to ever co exist around them.
I say: Can you confirmed that blacks were responsible for breaking into your car, stilling your GPS, and your cell phone?
I cannot believe the bullsh$t that is coming out of your head. I’m not saying blacks do not commit crimes disproportionate to their numbers, but to group all black into one big pile of crap is wrong. All of your comments are laced with racism.
hello karen
satire my dear don’t you know we conservatives are woman hating racists.
all business now this blame men thing has gotten out of hand both genders need to be held responsible.it is not like folks don’t see all the hurting out of wedlock children.
good advice to phreedm and hats off to phreedm for caring about this kid.
what
i liked to see more rabbi bashing too they aren’t innocents.
public executions will lower the crime rate. shame on the supreme court for baring the execution of sex offenders.the states should be able to decide what crimes merit the death penalty.
reason
Who’s blaming men? What are you talking about? What is this in reference to?
I’m all for personal responsibility, regardless of gender. If you think I’m a man-basher, I don’t know where you got that idea.
Karen
I think reason is off on a bender these past few days. He’ll sober up. I think.
The argument would be juvenile if one was trying to excuse behavior with it. But I was not. So, fallacies be damned, you made one huge assumption. My complaint is about Dave’s notorious reputation for giving jews that “free pass” as you said.
You still have not told me what that sickness is. Is it that this one particular black man was not being polite? Is that a societal sickness?
Jackson ran his fool mouth off. He deserves to be criticized strongly for what he said. Just not here on the NoGodBlog. The appearance of this post, which is unrelated to religious matters, appears to be a stereotypical jewish response, displayed by Dave, to Jackson and possibly blacks in general.
karen,what
jackson said that obama was talking down to blacks.if you recall obama blasted blackmen for being absentee fathers.i don’t care for jackson but obama to blast black men on fathers day was a cheap shot.
so no karen i’m not calling you a man basher.
What better day to blast an absentee father than father’s day? Is that a day an absentee father should be comfortable?
What,
OK, scrap logic class. Maybe start with English?
Cynic
do politicians trash mothers on mothers day.no they do not furthermore if they are so concerned about absentee fathers why wait until father’s day.it is simply a cheap stunt to turnout the retard vote.
What-
Unapologetic racism? No…simply a nod to reality.
As I once wrote to Ellis Washington:
“Should someone who kneels at the altar of his ancestors’ masters be throwing the word ‘slave’ around so much?”
If more blacks were interested in flying solo – as in being personally accountable for their lives – we’d have more of them as members.
I think Ellen is aware that there are two sides to the “race” card. I used to correspond w/ her about various incidents in my day-to-day life as a non-theist. One such incident was where I was prompted to forcibly eject a black man from my personal space after he invaded it muttering a bunch of trash talk(he called it prayer) about “white devils”.
Atheon-
BTW – I had a similar experience to Alex’s in Rochester, NY. This city is a war zone where everybody leaves a car-length ahead of them at traffic lights and white people are warned that they venture outside at night at their own risk.
The culprits couldn’t have been anything but black.
…they stole my cassette tapes and left a tool box w/ over $400 worth of professional-grade plumber’s tools and a cordless drill. You’d think they’d have seen a future use for the drill.
Interesting side note:
Where I come from, a working man has at least a passing acquaintance w/ a Thermos bottle. While visiting Rochester, I tried to have mine filled w/ coffee at an all-black McD’s(purple arches – no shit). They looked at it like it was the 1st time they’d ever set eyes on such an implement.
My best friend is black. I’m white; she is black, and that’s where our differences end.
BTW, she’d kick the shit out of idiots that break into cars.
Everything a politician does is political — that’s what makes them politician. It’s like putting an artist’s painting down for being artsy. Why yes, it is.
On father’s day, it reasonates better. They don’t pick on mothers so much for that because their aren’t quite as many absentee mothers (not that they don’t exist). Specifically, we’re talking about something Barack Obama was talking about. He’s black, so can be expected to be closer the issue because it’s considered a “black problem” (not that it’s theirs exclusively by a long shot). Plus, his own father was absent.
You’re right — his decision to say something about the subject on father’s day was pure political manuevering. He stays in his house all year long, never giving speaches, and then BAM! here’s out there yakking it up for votes. Or, he’s out there talking every day, and on father’s day, it was topical.
Which is more reasonable, “Reason”?
I believe the thread was on the subject of the relevence of Jesse Jackson. For being irrelevent, he certainly has stirred up a lot of conversation here.
What I find remarkable is that those who are self appointed leaders of the cause of African Americans are also self proclaimed reverands. As though there were some connection between the suffering of black Americans and the Christian religion.
MLK dreamed of a day when black Americans were judged, not by the color of his skin, but, by the content of his character. That day is arriving. Obama is a man, not a god, and he will make mistakes. I am personally disappointed by his pandering to hispanics and his idea of a revised “faith based initiative”, but what really turns my face red is when John McCain calls television evangelists like Jerry Falwell the “voice of intolerence”, but, as soon as he decides to run for president, he appears in Falwell’s church to speak to the congregation dressed in a robe that made him look like the pope on Christmas.
Obama’s father’s day speech may have been preachy, but, the fact of the matter is that when a black American is making a serious run at the white house, it is time for black Americans to stop using white supression as an excuse for failure, and to step up to the plate and face the same scrutiny as the rest of us as to whether or not we are fulfilling our duties as providers and parents.
NeoWolfe
matador,
To be clear, its not that I don’t understand what you and alexatheist are saying, because I do. I admit, blacks commit alot of crimes; however, THEY don’t commit them all. Furthermore, not all blacks are criminals.
The point is that I’m against general remarks that group ALL blacks into a category of theives, drug dealers, and gang bangers. I would prefer to see individuals preface comments like the ones you two made with “SOME” blacks rather than just blacks as in ALL.
For my sake and for others like me, making this simple adjustment will create a place for us to exist and be acknowledged in casual conversation.
Furthermore, I need the rest of the world, atheist included, to know that there are blacks that don’t fit the stereotype. I’m black and I’m atheists, so I’m fighting on two fronts. Blacks don’t except me and I don’t feel accepted by atheists (my own…) when I read comments like those above. If I can’t establish an existance with my freethinking comrads, then I”m fuc%ed!
neowolfe:
That is the connection. White society deprived blacks of virtually everything — except religion. Blacks follow their preachers for the same reason Muslims follow brutal dictators: because it’s all they’ve got.
Cynic
i hear what you are saying but how much bs before we the people wake up.
soft fascism has taken over.an economic policy that benefits the top 4% a phoney war on terror that allows millions illegal entry.street crime that makes some areas a no go zone.sooner or later this house of cards will collapse.
atheon-
I get along better w/ black people on a one-to-one basis…the ones whom I meet as a result of common employment or interest. As a guitarist in my youth, I once did an audition where present logic would have told me that I might not leave w/ my guitar…if I was lucky. My folks thought I was nuts to be sticking my head into a “lions’ den”.
These cats were cool enough and had primo smoke, but I didn’t have the R&B chops they wanted. At least I hadn’t walked into a set-up. That was then and this is now.
Something changed as I grew. I became aware that while I was taught to live and let live, black kids weren’t – apparently.
I now believe that the message of MLK – which I embraced as the truth – set me up to be a sucker for predators.
Look – I’m sure that Hispanic atheists exist.
That does not make me blind to the motives of the RCC to bolster its numbers in the US by its support of illegal aliens from a predominantly-Catholic country.
Experience has hardened my idealism into pragmatism. This is something you can’t teach.
I should probably stop posting on forums.
Cynic
My logic was sound. Your’s was tragically flawed with a huge assumption. So what do you do? You turn to trying to insult me? Take your best shot.