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		<title>By: reason</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85852</link>
		<dc:creator>reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my thoughts go out to those whose lives were enriched by tom and i think that includes the readers of this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my thoughts go out to those whose lives were enriched by tom and i think that includes the readers of this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: atheistmike</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85861</link>
		<dc:creator>atheistmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading and enjoying Tom Disch&#039;s science fiction for many years.  I didn&#039;t know until looking just now on Wikipedia that he was born and grew up in my adopted (for 22 years now) home town of Des Moines.  My sympathies to family and friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading and enjoying Tom Disch&#8217;s science fiction for many years.  I didn&#8217;t know until looking just now on Wikipedia that he was born and grew up in my adopted (for 22 years now) home town of Des Moines.  My sympathies to family and friends.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85867</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read Tom&#039;s work but I will look for a copy of &quot;The Brave Little Toaster: A Bedtime Story for Small Appliances&quot; this weekend. &lt;br /&gt;
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From reports I have seen it sounds like Tom was suffering from depression and ended his life with a gun. &lt;br /&gt;
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So sad ... so very very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read Tom&#8217;s work but I will look for a copy of &#8220;The Brave Little Toaster: A Bedtime Story for Small Appliances&#8221; this weekend. </p>
<p>From reports I have seen it sounds like Tom was suffering from depression and ended his life with a gun. </p>
<p>So sad &#8230; so very very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: cry4turtles</title>
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		<dc:creator>cry4turtles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could a brilliant man like Tom Disch inflict such pain and despair on his family?  I&#039;ve no pity for him.  Shame on him!  My heart bleeds for his family; they are now his victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could a brilliant man like Tom Disch inflict such pain and despair on his family?  I&#8217;ve no pity for him.  Shame on him!  My heart bleeds for his family; they are now his victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Augustine</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85881</link>
		<dc:creator>Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C4T, I don&#039;t think that you can really judge someone for suicide. He was probably very badly off and couldn&#039;t think clearly, and he didn&#039;t have the help he needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C4T, I don&#8217;t think that you can really judge someone for suicide. He was probably very badly off and couldn&#8217;t think clearly, and he didn&#8217;t have the help he needed.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cry4Turtles&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;His friend Alice K. Turner said Mr. Disch shot himself. She and other friends told how his apartment had been devastated by a fire; then his partner of more than 30 years died; then his home in Barryville, N.Y., was flooded; and finally, he faced eviction after he returned to the apartment. He also suffered from diabetes and sciatica.&lt;br /&gt;
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?He was simply ground down by the sequence of catastrophes,? his friend Norman Rush, the novelist, said Monday.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as I can tell, Tom&#039;s only family died in 2005, and he had been mourning him ever since, from what I&#039;ve been reading. Tom also had a history of mental illness and depression. His LiveJournal indicated he didn&#039;t think he was going to live long. Whether that was due to his physical illnesses or a premeditated suicide isn&#039;t clear. It is very sad that he was in such a state that he wanted to end his life, and his brilliance and artistic talent were no match for the deep depression he was in. I wonder if he&#039;d still have suicided if he hadn&#039;t had access to a gun. There&#039;s that immediacy issue again. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m glad for you that you don&#039;t understand how he could do such a thing. That means you&#039;ve never felt that kind of pain and desperation. &lt;br /&gt;
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Augustine is right on the money. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cry4Turtles</p>
<blockquote><p>His friend Alice K. Turner said Mr. Disch shot himself. She and other friends told how his apartment had been devastated by a fire; then his partner of more than 30 years died; then his home in Barryville, N.Y., was flooded; and finally, he faced eviction after he returned to the apartment. He also suffered from diabetes and sciatica.</p>
<p>?He was simply ground down by the sequence of catastrophes,? his friend Norman Rush, the novelist, said Monday.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I can tell, Tom&#8217;s only family died in 2005, and he had been mourning him ever since, from what I&#8217;ve been reading. Tom also had a history of mental illness and depression. His LiveJournal indicated he didn&#8217;t think he was going to live long. Whether that was due to his physical illnesses or a premeditated suicide isn&#8217;t clear. It is very sad that he was in such a state that he wanted to end his life, and his brilliance and artistic talent were no match for the deep depression he was in. I wonder if he&#8217;d still have suicided if he hadn&#8217;t had access to a gun. There&#8217;s that immediacy issue again. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad for you that you don&#8217;t understand how he could do such a thing. That means you&#8217;ve never felt that kind of pain and desperation. </p>
<p>Augustine is right on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: KnowledgeIsPower</title>
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		<dc:creator>KnowledgeIsPower</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if he&#039;d still have suicided if he hadn&#039;t had access to a gun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
My opinion is that having a gun wouldn&#039;t change my resolve to commit suicide, it&#039;d just improve the lethality.  One doesn&#039;t typically survive a gun-shot to the head and I&#039;d hate to have to attempt suicide more than once: it would just prolong the inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if he&#8217;d still have suicided if he hadn&#8217;t had access to a gun.</p></blockquote>
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My opinion is that having a gun wouldn&#8217;t change my resolve to commit suicide, it&#8217;d just improve the lethality.  One doesn&#8217;t typically survive a gun-shot to the head and I&#8217;d hate to have to attempt suicide more than once: it would just prolong the inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: thx1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>thx1138</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Comment from: Augustine [Member] C4T, I don&#039;t think that you can really judge someone for suicide. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for saying that Augustine. Have you ever noticed that, in times of great tragedy, there&#039;s no shortage of people (particularly people with the cowardly anonymity of the internet) who are ready to pass hasty, critical, often cruel judgment on other people when they&#039;re down, dead or in despair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Comment from: Augustine [Member] C4T, I don&#8217;t think that you can really judge someone for suicide. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for saying that Augustine. Have you ever noticed that, in times of great tragedy, there&#8217;s no shortage of people (particularly people with the cowardly anonymity of the internet) who are ready to pass hasty, critical, often cruel judgment on other people when they&#8217;re down, dead or in despair?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85888</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People cope in their own ways.  I make jokes.  To wit, if he didn&#039;t own a gun, perhaps we all would have been privvy to an advanced copy of The Brave Little Toaster Goes Swimming.&lt;br /&gt;
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Life is for the living.  However unfounded condemning a person who was clinically depressed for their selfish actions is, the emotion that led to it is just as real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People cope in their own ways.  I make jokes.  To wit, if he didn&#8217;t own a gun, perhaps we all would have been privvy to an advanced copy of The Brave Little Toaster Goes Swimming.</p>
<p>Life is for the living.  However unfounded condemning a person who was clinically depressed for their selfish actions is, the emotion that led to it is just as real.</p>
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		<title>By: nissimlevy</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/07/10/two_deaths_of_note/comment-page-1#comment-85889</link>
		<dc:creator>nissimlevy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of us will miss Tom. My sympathies to family and friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of us will miss Tom. My sympathies to family and friends.</p>
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