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1. jcc says:

   July 3, 2008 at 14:08

   Krys:

   slung that catchphrase around w/o any clarification as to your actual referent. If you have, point it out, I’ll submit to the facts.

   Seems you?ve made quite a habit of thinking you?re capable of divining my intentions. But of course, you?re right. It?s clear in my 03/25/06 @ 19:48 post on http://tinyurl.com/5nfbft that I was referring to the government program?(how did you phrase it? Oh yeah, ?eyes rolling.?)
   

   Laying awake nights, wreathed in sweat, 2 weeks of cold showers – but if you GAVE IN, well, you didn’t ‘really try’.

   Typical liberal, can?t-be-held-responsible-for-my-own-actions, victim mentality??Oh the humanity! The urge is just too powerful, how can I possibly control myself?especially in the presence of another person???How pathetic.
   

   Nice red herring, BTW, to detract from your failed ‘polygamy is adultery according to the OT’.

   Again, your divination of my intent was dead-on?I?m the artful dodger, I am, especially when trying to match wits with the Great, all-wise and never wrong (in his own mind), Krys.
   

   Your ‘unconditional love’ clause needs a little more polish, because it’s muddied.

   Well whadda ya expect from such a dullard like me?

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2. reluctantatheist says:

   July 4, 2008 at 00:06

   jcc:

   Well whadda ya expect from such a dullard like me?

   Not much, actually. In fact, you’re beginning to be quite predictable, & also boring.
   Like most religious folk, you count the hits & hide the misses.
   The facts are these: whatever any atheist says is wrong. Even when it’s dead on. I’ve debunked bundles of your points on numerous occasions over the years, but like the yappy little chihuahua, you just won’t quit. In your mind, the atheist is always wrong. I busted you on this some time ago: you apparently haven’t forgiven me for it, as evidenced by your sloppy efforts to eviscerate my character every time I pop your fantasy balloons aka ‘talking points’.
   Sheep in wolf’s clothing, you are.

   I?m the artful dodger, I am, especially when trying to match wits with the Great, all-wise and never wrong (in his own mind), Krys.

   Oh please: it’s all public record. I’ve done a few 180′s here on this blog. I’m more than happy to admit when I’m wrong, but only if I’m wrong, something you’ve rarely (if ever) managed to prove.
   You, OTH, have only managed a rather lame apology once on a matter of import, & only that after I had to badger you into it.
   I could go into a rather lengthy analysis on your ‘character’, but I’m neither that obsessed, or that interested anymore.
   So, for future reference, I’ll make an effort not to slam you, but rather address your pathetic ‘philosophy’ – that’ll prove sufficient to expose the bankrupt epistemology.
   Because obviously, if you attack me, it’s indicative of the weakness of your stand.
   Arrivederci, Giacomo.

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3. jcc says:

   July 7, 2008 at 14:03

   alatham:

   At this point I have to ask a question. Obviously you believe you love your children unconditionally, however is there a different, conditional love (above and beyond the baseline un-conditional love) that you have for them based on the quality of your relationships?

   No. In all honesty, I cannot differentiate what you are suggesting in my feelings towards them. Their behaviors invoke various reactions to them by me?including anger?but I would argue that that anger is the result of my unconditional love for them (i.e. me knowing what?s best for them in spite of their immature desires which are the source of our conflicts). I make every effort to express my love toward them (at this point in their lives) as authoritative, not authoritarian?which is a distinction that I must constantly be aware of?otherwise, my relationships with them could become conditional.
   

   my point was that the answer “God did it” doesn’t give us any useful information that we can use to make the arts enrich our lives even more.

   Really? Then how do you explain the inspiration of all the great works of art of the Renaissance (or any other time period) with indisputable Christian themes? I would argue just the opposite. The greatness of C.S. Lewis? works were derived solely from his Christian faith?works that gave tremendous insights into Apologetics and provided great insights into the nature of God.
   

   I never meant to suggest that science is somehow better at answering that question, just that the religious answer is equally useless. The same thing goes for most questions about emotions.

   Again, I disagree. The ?God did it? responses to questions of a spiritual nature make enormous sense when considered in the context of a loving God and His impartation of His spiritual nature to us.
   

   Can you explain why Mormons and Native Americans and Buddhists and Muslims also independently describe similar supernatural experiences?

   Because we?re all spiritual beings with the same, discernable spiritual needs.
   

   If more than one person gives the same description then I’ll have to decide to either take the plunge myself or file it away in my giant box of ‘things I can’t explain.’

   If you?re genuinely interested in this phenomenon, and if you have the time and opportunity, then perhaps you should question your devout Christian acquaintances (if you have any) about their individual faith journeys to see for yourself what the similarities among them are.
   

   To me, just examining the tenets, etc. doesn’t feel like a full examination. In the words of several religious folk I’ve talked to “you have to feel it.”

   Feelings are fine (as I said, we all have spiritual natures and thus spiritual needs that we meet one way or another), but how we meet those needs is the heart of the issue. We can choose to either accept (and practice) a religion that will ultimately result in cognitive dissonance or one that will, when rationally examined, also withstand our intellectual scrutiny as well.
   

   Does that mean that you accepted the word of the Bible before you examined the Baha’i Faith?

   I first determined that there must be a higher power (as evidenced by the fruits of science and how well they explained my own emotional/spiritual experiences). Since I was raised in an ostensibly Christian home I then scrutinized Christianity?for which I had many questions (which were of the same nature as many atheists?). The more I learned about the doctrine and the history of the Church the more curious I became of how other major religions addressed those questions, and therefore, the more I investigated them.
   

   that doesn’t seem objective to me.

   From your perspective, perhaps not, but that?s the way I went about it.
   

   Confirmation Bias is something that you have to learn to recognize and eliminate, so one can definitely improve one’s perceptions with age, but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion as you seem to suggest.

   Yes, and one of the benefits of having a longer life experience is being able to recognize when I?m susceptible to that bias and then consciously applying other religious philosophies to the situation to determine which yields a ?truth? that is consistent with the objective reality of the moment. So far, from my perspective, Christianity provides the most logically and emotionally satisfying answers.
   

   I don’t know anything about how much you’ve questioned God. I would assume more than most religious people since you’re much better able to defend your belief than the average joe.

   I?m pleased (for Christianity?s sake) that my defense of the faith indicates that to you. And I don?t believe I haven?t asked any fewer questions about God than anyone else?particularly atheists.

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