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		<title>By: UnGodly</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/19/commemorative_coin_for_bigoted_scouts_of/comment-page-1#comment-82900</link>
		<dc:creator>UnGodly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just say NO to organized homophobia and Jebus-based discrimination.</description>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;has this benefit been granted to an organization that promotes religion or discriminates based on religion.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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They also discriminate against gays.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Support the Girl Scouts instead which have no policy of bigotry towards atheists or gays.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>has this benefit been granted to an organization that promotes religion or discriminates based on religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>They also discriminate against gays.  </p>
<p>Support the Girl Scouts instead which have no policy of bigotry towards atheists or gays.</p>
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		<title>By: dsilverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsilverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Alex,&lt;br /&gt;
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The Girl Scouts are TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the BSA.  In fact, the local Girl Scout troop showed up at the &quot;Atheists in Foxholes&quot; event to hand out chocolate bars to our veterans.  The Girl Scouts are ethical, and they DO NOT DISCRIMINATE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Alex,</p>
<p>The Girl Scouts are TOTALLY DIFFERENT from the BSA.  In fact, the local Girl Scout troop showed up at the &#8220;Atheists in Foxholes&#8221; event to hand out chocolate bars to our veterans.  The Girl Scouts are ethical, and they DO NOT DISCRIMINATE.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Shackleford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Shackleford</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Girl Scouts are ethical, and they DO NOT DISCRIMINATE.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also, delicious cookies.</description>
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<p>Also, delicious cookies.</p>
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		<title>By: RiftPoint</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/19/commemorative_coin_for_bigoted_scouts_of/comment-page-1#comment-82917</link>
		<dc:creator>RiftPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of my best memories come from my time spent in Scouts...  but I guess I was fortunate that I was in a troop in New England, and everything was very laid back and accepting, it wasn&#039;t until after I had achieved my Eagle Scout rank that I noticed much of the bigotry that is prevalent in the organization countrywide.  It&#039;s sad, so many good things can come out of scouts, and it shouldn&#039;t be limited to only those that fit the &quot;norm&quot; of the bigots who run the organization at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of my best memories come from my time spent in Scouts&#8230;  but I guess I was fortunate that I was in a troop in New England, and everything was very laid back and accepting, it wasn&#8217;t until after I had achieved my Eagle Scout rank that I noticed much of the bigotry that is prevalent in the organization countrywide.  It&#8217;s sad, so many good things can come out of scouts, and it shouldn&#8217;t be limited to only those that fit the &#8220;norm&#8221; of the bigots who run the organization at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
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		<dc:creator>billh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am an Eagle Scout.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why should any parent question any man that is gay for wanting to go out in the woods alone and unsupervised with their children.  Oh the shame of those parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am an Eagle Scout.</p>
<p>Why should any parent question any man that is gay for wanting to go out in the woods alone and unsupervised with their children.  Oh the shame of those parents.</p>
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		<title>By: alatham</title>
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		<dc:creator>alatham</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a former Boy Scout.  I made Star rank before I turned 18.  I have mostly good memories from it, but some of the more recent things I&#039;ve learned about the organization disgust me.  The insistence that I went to &#039;church&#039; during some of the longer camping trips always made me uncomfortable, but sleeping in a bag in northern Wisconsin was always much worse so I never thought about it much when I was still a member.  I was definitely an atheist at that time, though I wouldn&#039;t have known what the word meant.  It was simply &#039;normal&#039; not to believe in a deity in my household, it wasn&#039;t &#039;atheistic.&#039;  When they spoke out against atheists (I can only recall this happening once or twice) I had no idea what they were talking about.&lt;br /&gt;
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DeepDiver,&lt;br /&gt;
I normally like your posts, but your conflating gayness with pedophilia is disgusting and I&#039;m going to have to reform my opinion of you as a result.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we to assume that you believe that Girl Scouts are in constant danger of being raped by Girl Scout leaders?&lt;br /&gt;
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For what it&#039;s worth, I can&#039;t recall a single camping trip that didn&#039;t involve multiple adult supervisors.  Even the one-off single weekend trips.  There were always at least two leaders and the scouts were always encouraged to stay in groups no smaller than two people as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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I wouldn&#039;t at all be surprised if more scouts have died as a result of driving to and from meetings than have been raped by a scout leader.&lt;br /&gt;
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I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m actually defending the BSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a former Boy Scout.  I made Star rank before I turned 18.  I have mostly good memories from it, but some of the more recent things I&#8217;ve learned about the organization disgust me.  The insistence that I went to &#8216;church&#8217; during some of the longer camping trips always made me uncomfortable, but sleeping in a bag in northern Wisconsin was always much worse so I never thought about it much when I was still a member.  I was definitely an atheist at that time, though I wouldn&#8217;t have known what the word meant.  It was simply &#8216;normal&#8217; not to believe in a deity in my household, it wasn&#8217;t &#8216;atheistic.&#8217;  When they spoke out against atheists (I can only recall this happening once or twice) I had no idea what they were talking about.</p>
<p>DeepDiver,<br />
I normally like your posts, but your conflating gayness with pedophilia is disgusting and I&#8217;m going to have to reform my opinion of you as a result.</p>
<p>Are we to assume that you believe that Girl Scouts are in constant danger of being raped by Girl Scout leaders?</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I can&#8217;t recall a single camping trip that didn&#8217;t involve multiple adult supervisors.  Even the one-off single weekend trips.  There were always at least two leaders and the scouts were always encouraged to stay in groups no smaller than two people as well.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t at all be surprised if more scouts have died as a result of driving to and from meetings than have been raped by a scout leader.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m actually defending the BSA.</p>
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		<title>By: RiftPoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>RiftPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a troop is willing to send out a group of their scouts on a trip with only one adult, then something is wrong with the decision making process in that troop and with the parents.&lt;br /&gt;
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Furthermore:&lt;br /&gt;
The assumption that just because someone is gay that they will abuse children absurd...&lt;br /&gt;
Do you automatically assume any straight person will automatically want to get an under aged girl?&lt;br /&gt;
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In Boy Scouts they maintain a 2-1 ratio, where there must be at least 2 scouts to 1 adult.  No adult is ever supposed to be in a purely 1-1 interaction with a scout for precisely the same reason that you&#039;re trying to get at with your insinuations.  The moment I turned 18 in my troop (which is when you are considered an adult in Scouts) I had to attend a lecture on how adults were supposed to interact with the scouts, and how to look for signs of abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not saying that system is perfect, but I think it to be ludicrous to make the point you&#039;re getting at.&lt;br /&gt;
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I know, lets try our favorite game of substitution here:  Would your accusations really hold up if you replaced &quot;gay&quot; with &quot;minority x&quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
You may try to argue that because gays are sexually attracted to the gender of the youths they are supposed to be supervising, that this makes things different, but I think you can only make this argument when you also make the foolish assumption that all gays are corrupt and immoral...&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a troop is willing to send out a group of their scouts on a trip with only one adult, then something is wrong with the decision making process in that troop and with the parents.</p>
<p>Furthermore:<br />
The assumption that just because someone is gay that they will abuse children absurd&#8230;<br />
Do you automatically assume any straight person will automatically want to get an under aged girl?</p>
<p>In Boy Scouts they maintain a 2-1 ratio, where there must be at least 2 scouts to 1 adult.  No adult is ever supposed to be in a purely 1-1 interaction with a scout for precisely the same reason that you&#8217;re trying to get at with your insinuations.  The moment I turned 18 in my troop (which is when you are considered an adult in Scouts) I had to attend a lecture on how adults were supposed to interact with the scouts, and how to look for signs of abuse.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that system is perfect, but I think it to be ludicrous to make the point you&#8217;re getting at.</p>
<p>I know, lets try our favorite game of substitution here:  Would your accusations really hold up if you replaced &#8220;gay&#8221; with &#8220;minority x&#8221;?<br />
You may try to argue that because gays are sexually attracted to the gender of the youths they are supposed to be supervising, that this makes things different, but I think you can only make this argument when you also make the foolish assumption that all gays are corrupt and immoral&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
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		<dc:creator>billh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, my utter sarcasm really did not come across clearly.&lt;br /&gt;
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To set the record straight.  Never was forced to go to church while I was in the scouts.  There was ALWAYS more than 2 or 3 male leaders with us.  I am sure there was at least one that was gay, can&#039;t prove it but suspected it.  Never felt uncomfortable with any of the leaders at all.&lt;br /&gt;
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The only thing I really disagreed with was the god thing which was not that big of a deal.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now the title of this thread &lt;blockquote&gt;Commemorative Coin for Bigoted Scouts of America &lt;/blockquote&gt; kind of ticks me off.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;Bigots&#039; really gets thown around here alot.  Especially when it comes to gays.&lt;br /&gt;
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When I was in the scouts, religion and sex was never an issue.  It just did not come up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it is an issue and the scouts are BIGOTS!&lt;br /&gt;
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I disagree.  The scouts are not bigots as a whole.  There are bigots in there but as an organization, in whole they are not.&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as the girl scouts, I have seen much more abuse when it came to religion.&lt;br /&gt;
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alatham:  Never meant to imply gayness with pedophila.  I was being sarcastic as being role models.  Obviously after reading that post I made, it does sound wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bottom line is, I do not agree on calling an entire organization bigots for what a few stand for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, my utter sarcasm really did not come across clearly.</p>
<p>To set the record straight.  Never was forced to go to church while I was in the scouts.  There was ALWAYS more than 2 or 3 male leaders with us.  I am sure there was at least one that was gay, can&#8217;t prove it but suspected it.  Never felt uncomfortable with any of the leaders at all.</p>
<p>The only thing I really disagreed with was the god thing which was not that big of a deal.</p>
<p>Now the title of this thread<br />
<blockquote>Commemorative Coin for Bigoted Scouts of America </p></blockquote>
<p> kind of ticks me off.</p>
<p>&#8216;Bigots&#8217; really gets thown around here alot.  Especially when it comes to gays.</p>
<p>When I was in the scouts, religion and sex was never an issue.  It just did not come up.</p>
<p>Now it is an issue and the scouts are BIGOTS!</p>
<p>I disagree.  The scouts are not bigots as a whole.  There are bigots in there but as an organization, in whole they are not.</p>
<p>As far as the girl scouts, I have seen much more abuse when it came to religion.</p>
<p>alatham:  Never meant to imply gayness with pedophila.  I was being sarcastic as being role models.  Obviously after reading that post I made, it does sound wrong.</p>
<p>Bottom line is, I do not agree on calling an entire organization bigots for what a few stand for.</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
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		<dc:creator>billh</dc:creator>
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		<description>http://www.jewishscouting.org/&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.scouting.org/media/factsheets/02-209.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
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Jews, Buddhists, etc are supported by the Scouts.  Does not sound bigoted to me.</description>
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<p>Jews, Buddhists, etc are supported by the Scouts.  Does not sound bigoted to me.</p>
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