Comments on: Gay Union passes CA Supreme Court http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:40:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rusty Shackleford http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court/comment-page-1#comment-82767 Rusty Shackleford Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-82767 <blockquote>One important note that I feel has been ignored in the issue: If churches can not be forced into marrying gay couples because it violates their religion, cannot the same be said for churches that WANT to marry gays? Shouldn't the Unitarians (or someone else) be speaking up here, demanding the right to marry gays, under their Constitutional right to freedom of religion?</blockquote>I don't think you can make this argument successfully, because the government isn't prohibiting churches from performing whatever kind of wedding ceremonies they want. If a Unitarian church in Iowa wants to perform a same-sex wedding ceremony, the state won't stop them. It just won't recognize the marriage as a valid one under state law.

One important note that I feel has been ignored in the issue: If churches can not be forced into marrying gay couples because it violates their religion, cannot the same be said for churches that WANT to marry gays? Shouldn’t the Unitarians (or someone else) be speaking up here, demanding the right to marry gays, under their Constitutional right to freedom of religion?

I don’t think you can make this argument successfully, because the government isn’t prohibiting churches from performing whatever kind of wedding ceremonies they want. If a Unitarian church in Iowa wants to perform a same-sex wedding ceremony, the state won’t stop them. It just won’t recognize the marriage as a valid one under state law.

]]> By: dsilverman http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court/comment-page-1#comment-82769 dsilverman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-82769 BUT then the married gay couple in Iowa could sue the state of Iowa for not recognizing their union, thereby trampling their religious liberty... BUT then the married gay couple in Iowa could sue the state of Iowa for not recognizing their union, thereby trampling their religious liberty…

]]> By: Rusty Shackleford http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court/comment-page-1#comment-82775 Rusty Shackleford Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-82775 <blockquote>BUT then the married gay couple in Iowa could sue the state of Iowa for not recognizing their union, thereby trampling their religious liberty...</blockquote>They could try but it's going to be a tough argument. It hasn't worked for polygamists, and they have a much stronger case that their desired form of marriage is actually mandated by their religion.

BUT then the married gay couple in Iowa could sue the state of Iowa for not recognizing their union, thereby trampling their religious liberty…

They could try but it’s going to be a tough argument. It hasn’t worked for polygamists, and they have a much stronger case that their desired form of marriage is actually mandated by their religion.

]]> By: alexatheist http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court/comment-page-1#comment-82776 alexatheist Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-82776 Great video explaining where virulent homophobia comes from-closeted gay men who are fighting their own same sex attractions. Thanks to religion for creating an environment where some men are terrified of their own sexuality. <br /> <br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAcuS5aXMs&feature=related<br /> <br /> Homophobia is SO gay.<br /> <br /> <br /> Great video explaining where virulent homophobia comes from-closeted gay men who are fighting their own same sex attractions. Thanks to religion for creating an environment where some men are terrified of their own sexuality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcAcuS5aXMs&feature=related

Homophobia is SO gay.

]]> By: UnGodly http://atheists.org/blog/2008/05/16/gay_union_passes_ca_supreme_court/comment-page-1#comment-82781 UnGodly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-82781 Dear Fellow Atheist Bloggers,<br /> <br /> As 50% of a long term (11 years) California gay couple, I hardly need tell you that this court case has had an effect on me.<br /> <br /> The main thing I do with my time, since reaching retirement, is mock, ridicule, challenge, and debunk religious delusions and the evil done in their name. I own over 100 domain names and have over 80 active websites (no, really) Not all of my sites deal with religion, but the ones I treasure do. To celebrate yesterdays victory I posted on my most radical blog AtheistFag.com including a revised hymn I named, What a Loser We Have in Jesus. I also created a new website intended to directly challenge the lies of homophobic persons suffering from religious delusions. You are invited to visit SanctityofBigotry.com<br /> <br /> Other websites I have created so far this week are thetalkingsnake.com and jesuswafers.com. Please do not visit these sites with any food or liquids in your mouth.<br /> <br /> I would like to thank the many, many people in the atheist community who have been standing up for my rights, despite the fact that most of you are not gay yourselves. So much for atheists being immoral.<br /> <br /> OK, that was my 2 minutes in the spotlight. please keep up the good work!<br /> <br /> I tend to work 12 hour days on my sites, any help you can offer in promoting them would be deeply appreciated.<br /> <br /> As far as this blog entry goes, it is the state that issues marriage licenses, any involvement of religions is purely parasitic (as in other areas of religion). So religious issues should not be conflated with civil rights.<br /> <br /> Hugs,<br /> Steve Dear Fellow Atheist Bloggers,

As 50% of a long term (11 years) California gay couple, I hardly need tell you that this court case has had an effect on me.

The main thing I do with my time, since reaching retirement, is mock, ridicule, challenge, and debunk religious delusions and the evil done in their name. I own over 100 domain names and have over 80 active websites (no, really) Not all of my sites deal with religion, but the ones I treasure do. To celebrate yesterdays victory I posted on my most radical blog AtheistFag.com including a revised hymn I named, What a Loser We Have in Jesus. I also created a new website intended to directly challenge the lies of homophobic persons suffering from religious delusions. You are invited to visit SanctityofBigotry.com

Other websites I have created so far this week are thetalkingsnake.com and jesuswafers.com. Please do not visit these sites with any food or liquids in your mouth.

I would like to thank the many, many people in the atheist community who have been standing up for my rights, despite the fact that most of you are not gay yourselves. So much for atheists being immoral.

OK, that was my 2 minutes in the spotlight. please keep up the good work!

I tend to work 12 hour days on my sites, any help you can offer in promoting them would be deeply appreciated.

As far as this blog entry goes, it is the state that issues marriage licenses, any involvement of religions is purely parasitic (as in other areas of religion). So religious issues should not be conflated with civil rights.

Hugs,
Steve

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