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	<title>Comments on: When Freedom goes too far &#8211; FLDS</title>
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		<title>By: GodFree&Glad</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81828</link>
		<dc:creator>GodFree&Glad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw Ben Stein on TV Sunday saying how terrible the State of Texas is and that these children should be given back to their parents because not one case of child abuse has been detected.&lt;br /&gt;
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Evidently Ben does not view impregnating children as abuse.  Of course, one would not expect anyone who believes in Intelligent Design to be actually rational, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
<p>I saw Ben Stein on TV Sunday saying how terrible the State of Texas is and that these children should be given back to their parents because not one case of child abuse has been detected.</p>
<p>Evidently Ben does not view impregnating children as abuse.  Of course, one would not expect anyone who believes in Intelligent Design to be actually rational, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Seeker &#9786;</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81830</link>
		<dc:creator>Seeker &#9786;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon the rant, but to be consistent authorities should raid the nation&#039;s government schools. &lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;...a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, nearly 10 percent of U.S. public school students reported having been targeted with sexual attention by school employees. Indeed, it has been claimed that sexual harassment and abuse by teachers is 100 times more frequent than abuse by&lt;br /&gt;
priests.&quot; [copied]&lt;br /&gt;
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What&#039;s good for the goose...&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the rant, but to be consistent authorities should raid the nation&#8217;s government schools. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, nearly 10 percent of U.S. public school students reported having been targeted with sexual attention by school employees. Indeed, it has been claimed that sexual harassment and abuse by teachers is 100 times more frequent than abuse by<br />
priests.&#8221; [copied]</p>
<p>What&#8217;s good for the goose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: atheistmike</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81832</link>
		<dc:creator>atheistmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeker, are you going to raid the Air Force Academy, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeker, are you going to raid the Air Force Academy, too?</p>
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		<title>By: rna2dna</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81833</link>
		<dc:creator>rna2dna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been claimed that 87% of older christians that work with children have sexual motivations. That claim has not been proven false, that is the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been claimed that 87% of older christians that work with children have sexual motivations. That claim has not been proven false, that is the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81836</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeker&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m betting that you copied that lie from wikipedia or you read it directly on WorldNutDaily. If you got it from wikipedia then you conveniently left off the line which followed and reads:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
However, it has been countered that some of these claims are groundless, either deliberate false accusations or misunderstandings resulting from misinterpretation of what is and is not permissable.&lt;/blockquote&gt; If you got it from WorldNutDaily then shame on you. I just read the prevalence section of the report cited in WorldNut (not a study as claimed by WorldNut but rather a review of a half dozen indirect studies). This quote was notable:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 As a group, these studies present a wide range of estimates of the percentage of U.S. students subject to sexual misconduct by school staff and vary from 3.7 to 50.3 percent &lt;/blockquote&gt; Anytime you see stats that vary that much a huge red flag should go up emblazoned with the letters BS.&lt;br /&gt;
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These kids in the FLDS compound were raped and of course any reasonable person would see that as being severely in contrast to sexual harassment in general.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lock the goose and the gander both up. Why do you defend one by misdirecting to the other? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeker</p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting that you copied that lie from wikipedia or you read it directly on WorldNutDaily. If you got it from wikipedia then you conveniently left off the line which followed and reads:</p>
<blockquote><p>
However, it has been countered that some of these claims are groundless, either deliberate false accusations or misunderstandings resulting from misinterpretation of what is and is not permissable.</p></blockquote>
<p> If you got it from WorldNutDaily then shame on you. I just read the prevalence section of the report cited in WorldNut (not a study as claimed by WorldNut but rather a review of a half dozen indirect studies). This quote was notable:</p>
<blockquote><p>
 As a group, these studies present a wide range of estimates of the percentage of U.S. students subject to sexual misconduct by school staff and vary from 3.7 to 50.3 percent </p></blockquote>
<p> Anytime you see stats that vary that much a huge red flag should go up emblazoned with the letters BS.</p>
<p>These kids in the FLDS compound were raped and of course any reasonable person would see that as being severely in contrast to sexual harassment in general.</p>
<p>Lock the goose and the gander both up. Why do you defend one by misdirecting to the other?</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81837</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>copied that lie -&gt; copied that line&lt;br /&gt;
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or maybe not.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>copied that lie -> copied that line</p>
<p>or maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81840</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT&lt;br /&gt;
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McCain and Clinton want to cut the gas tax. How economically ignorant can one be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT</p>
<p>McCain and Clinton want to cut the gas tax. How economically ignorant can one be?</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81844</link>
		<dc:creator>billh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What: &lt;br /&gt;
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I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that.  Cutting taxes will do nothing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some strong steps need to be taken.  Such as.&lt;br /&gt;
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1st Make it mandatory that all government workers where at all feasible, work 4 10 hour days.  Encourage private companies to do the same.  Work weeks of Mon ? Thu and Tue ? Friday.  This would help cut down on gas.&lt;br /&gt;
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2nd Pull our bases overseas back to the states.  Put them on our border.  Keep our money here.&lt;br /&gt;
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3rd Open up Alaska for oil as a temp measure.&lt;br /&gt;
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4th Put the government behind the funding and encourage programs for alternative energy.  Such as the Ultimate Capacitor for vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
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5th More wind, solar etc, and screw the corn energy and such.&lt;br /&gt;
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Electric cars are the way we need to go.  More natural energy power sources also.  Encourage and give more tax benefit relief for solar panels and such on homes and businesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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These are just some of my solutions, and I see nothing being done by our leaders.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, and Dave, you are wrong.  Raising a kid uneducated is child abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What: </p>
<p>I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that.  Cutting taxes will do nothing.</p>
<p>Some strong steps need to be taken.  Such as.</p>
<p>1st Make it mandatory that all government workers where at all feasible, work 4 10 hour days.  Encourage private companies to do the same.  Work weeks of Mon ? Thu and Tue ? Friday.  This would help cut down on gas.</p>
<p>2nd Pull our bases overseas back to the states.  Put them on our border.  Keep our money here.</p>
<p>3rd Open up Alaska for oil as a temp measure.</p>
<p>4th Put the government behind the funding and encourage programs for alternative energy.  Such as the Ultimate Capacitor for vehicles.</p>
<p>5th More wind, solar etc, and screw the corn energy and such.</p>
<p>Electric cars are the way we need to go.  More natural energy power sources also.  Encourage and give more tax benefit relief for solar panels and such on homes and businesses.</p>
<p>These are just some of my solutions, and I see nothing being done by our leaders.</p>
<p>Oh, and Dave, you are wrong.  Raising a kid uneducated is child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: dsilverman</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81847</link>
		<dc:creator>dsilverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deep, But if we take that stance they can say the same thing about us.  This is the problem with relative morality.  Many Xtians will say that raising a kid without religion is abuse, because it subjects them to eternity in Hell.    This yields an immediate impasse.&lt;br /&gt;
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Better to concentrate on that with which we mostly agree -- physical child abuse, which is definitely illegal.  The point here is that we NOT allow religious people to commit child abuse just because theiy are religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deep, But if we take that stance they can say the same thing about us.  This is the problem with relative morality.  Many Xtians will say that raising a kid without religion is abuse, because it subjects them to eternity in Hell.    This yields an immediate impasse.</p>
<p>Better to concentrate on that with which we mostly agree &#8212; physical child abuse, which is definitely illegal.  The point here is that we NOT allow religious people to commit child abuse just because theiy are religious.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/29/when_freedom_goes_too_far_flds_1/comment-page-1#comment-81848</link>
		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I think JW&#039;s should be imprisoned for letting a child die because of their stance on blood donations.  If a person is 18 and denies a blood donation because of their religion then that&#039;s the adult&#039;s choice, but a kid has been spoonfed that a blood transfusion is a sin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I think JW&#8217;s should be imprisoned for letting a child die because of their stance on blood donations.  If a person is 18 and denies a blood donation because of their religion then that&#8217;s the adult&#8217;s choice, but a kid has been spoonfed that a blood transfusion is a sin.</p>
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