You fight terrorists by spending $36,900,000 for four projects funding chapels, including:$11,600,000 by Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.) for phase I of the chapel complex at Fort Leavenworth;$10,400,000 by Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) for a chapel at Fort Leonard Wood; $9,000,000 by Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee member Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), House appropriator Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.), Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), and Rep. Edward Whitfield (R-Ky.) for a chapel center at Fort Campbell; and $5,900,000 by Rep. Randy Forbes (R-Va.) for a unit chapel at Fort Lee.Now let us all pray cause god knows we got the chapels to do it in. Thanks to the Citizens Against Government Waste’s 2008 Congressional Pig Book.Peter Nuhn
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HZ
I thought you had editing capabilities to take care of Christ is in the way.
No? Si senora…..
HZ
You sly devil you! Hey, I miss you! Come around more often! And guess what? I got a mod position over at GodIsforSuckers recently.
Karen,
Well good for you! I’ll have to wonder over some time.
Been real busy lately.
Yeah, I’ve been busy too. Busy is good I guess. But I miss seeing/hearing your comments here.
Everybody, HeatheNZ fixed CITW’s preachy posts for ya!
Hey there CITW sence you seem to know
the bible so well what is Satan’s
body count vs God’s?
4-F says to name one of his lies… oops, I mean unfounded allegations…
It’s so hard to pick just one… but here goes…
The claim that his god is mentioned in the Constitution…
A flat-out lie…
But 4-F won’t own up to it…
Comment from: (: tom
Wow…tom actually asked a coherent question.
Sorry tom…I figured anyone that understood political terms could see how Obama’s policies are Socia1istic.
Tell you what, I’ll even go one further. The Democrat party has swerved totally to the left in an attempt to copy Europes failed socia1ist agenda. And I’ll also admit that the current crop of Republicans are not far behind…
Socia1ism- a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socia!ism
community as a whole=goverment control)
Or…
Socia1ism starts with nationalization of the main means of production – the plants, factories, agri-business farms and everything necessary to produce what society needs. The large monopoly corporations and banks come under public ownership, that is, under the collective ownership of the entire working class and people, who have the leading role in building socia1ism.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/13/
Obama wants to nationalize healthcare. And as the articles and definitions above make clear, this is “Socia1ism”…
This is but one step to complete socia1ism.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf
One other note. Currently Washington (Including Bush) are debating about giving the Federal Reserve (another uncontitutional entity) more control over our financial markets. Again, another step towards “socia1ism”…
I personally don’t want to see our Heath Care turn into Medicade and Medicare being run in hospitals like Walter Reed…
There isn’t one example of the Feds moving into our personal lives and making it less expensive…
Comment from: What
Here we have a great example of a mentality based upon the idea that if you don’t like what someone else believes, use the courts to silence them…
Why ban anyone? I am confident enough in my beliefs to let them be scrutinised by anyone. Censorship is what those who are afraid to allow their beliefs to be questioned do.
Comment from: phreedm
Sorry tom…I figured anyone that understood political terms could see how Obama’s policies are Socia1!stic.
Wow, phreakshow actually deigned to respond to one of the heathens of the hinterlands. I’m touched…
In other words, you assumed that your beliefs should be accepted as fact by everyone else. And you talk down to anyone who does not share your world view. This is not rational debate.
Not all people who have policies that might even remotely be considered social!stic by the more conservative elements of our society are social!sts. Does one liberal tenet of one’s philosophy make one a liberal? One area where you agree with conservative philosophy make one conservative?
Or are you trying to maintain that every single one of Obama’s policies are social!stic? You haven’t even come close to beginning to prove that, I’m afraid. Some may lean that way from some people’s point of view. That does not make it a fact.
This illustrates perfectly one of my problems with this individual – he makes blatantly inaccurate statements and acts as if his delusions should be accepted as though they have been subjected to rigorous scientific review.
I personally don’t want to see our Heath Care turn into Medicade and Medicare being run in hospitals like Walter Reed…
Another baseless allegation, which does nothing to further the debate, and everything to muddy the discussion. No humorous aside, no purpose I can see other than to inflame the other side. The misuse of the Democratic party’s name is also quite indicative of the nature of the deceptions being advanced by the commenter.
One step sideways, one step back. Now that’s two baseless allegations you have made. Would you care to try and inform the studio audience, yet again, of some factual evidence to back up your claims? Or would you admit that your allegations are opinion, not fact; that you conflate the two regularly, as you have here; and that you do not, despite your claims to the contrary, back up your allegations with factual evidence?
And, alexatheist, I?ve had more than enough tedious repetition of religiously insane fairy tales that have been given the same old tedious arguments over and over again. Do we have to start at the beginning and then backtrack back over all of the superstitious babble in every single frelling comments thread on a blog that is supposedly interested in atheistic topics?
“$36,900,000 for four projects funding chapels”
Millions of dollars of my money spent so god-soaked soldiers stationed in America can have a nice place to talk to their invisible friend.
This is one of the countless reasons why I pay as little income tax as possible. I know for sure every single penny of taxes I do pay will be wasted. Politicians are scum.
I wonder if we could sue the politicians to get this money back?
Why would a secular government build chapels for it’s military?
4-F
To accommodate military personnel who are religious… since they are away from home…
Poor 4-F still doesn’t understand the difference between “secular” and “atheist” I see…
Shookle…try to follow the discussion eh?
Comment from: phreedm
Shookle…try to follow the discussion eh?
That’s particularly rich, coming from a farging icehole who throws the discussion off-topic at every opportunity, deliberately misrepresents others within his comments, and rarely if ever responds to others when they ask him to defend his religiously insane bullshit.
How dare you ask others to follow rules that you yourself do not?
You religiously insane, chickenshit bedwetting chickenhawk Republican’t Putsch fellator.
Suck it, jeebus phreak!
Aww, (: tom
, now I feel sad again. Damn you, SciFi.
The soldiers may not have access to their own particular brand of churches while serving. As long as the chapels are sectarian-neutral, I don’t see a problem. All soldiers of any religious faiths should feel comfortable using them. Ultimately, this is good for troop morale.
Why do YOU see this as a problem for a secular government?
I think Angel is right. We should give the soldiers oppritunity to worship. However, I personally think that it should be done through giving sunday morning off. That way soldiers can go to whatever church they want, or start a worship group if they can’t find their particular breed of imagination.
As a Military Atheist, I do not disagree with the Government and Military building “Chapels”. You need to somewhat understand these “Chapels” support all religious denominations. As well these “Chapels” also are used for other functions. Military installations are small communities within themselves to support the Soldiers every need, to include banks, commissary, PX, Food courts, Burger King, Bowling Ally, night club, and many more facilities. These places provide a safe place for Soldiers to go and be with people they know and have something in common with. A Military Chapel on every base also gives soldiers a sense of community and place to worship, again with like minded individuals and not having to go off post to where the Churches may be more extreme or to dominated with locals that might make a Soldier feel uncomfortable.
The Price tag for the “Chaples” all I can say is think about the contractor, locals, who are earning thier pay building these places. Its money going back into the community. Its not the same as the Government paying billions of Dollars to US Contractors overseas, using foriegn labor to support US troops, Thats not good for our Economy.
I think we should support our troops “needs” wether they be religious or not. Remember Military Installations are small communities built to support troops and thier families. Also consider posts in Germany, Korea, etc where the local language and places of worship may not be ideal for US soldiers.
Knowledge
Baghdad, Iraq
How to fight terrorists?
You fight terrorists by spending $36,900,000 for four projects funding chapels, including:
$11,600,000 by Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.) for phase I of the chapel complex at Fort Leavenworth;
$10,400,000 by Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) for a chapel at Fort Leonard Wood;
$9,000,000 by Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee member Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), House appropriator Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.), Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), and Rep. Edward Whitfield (R-Ky.) for a chapel center at Fort Campbell; and
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Nobody can stop terrorism because it is already written….The second coming of Jesus Christ…….you can be positive or negative. it’s your choice. ……. The chance is: “For God so loved the world that He Gave His only Son (Jesus) that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have an everlasting life.” John 3:16
The consequences:
By Joel C. Rosenberg
When we read the list of events Jesus tells His disciples in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 to be watching for, we can see each of them coming to pass: wars and rumors of wars, revolutions, the rise of false messiahs, earthquakes, famines, persecution of the believers, the spread of the gospel around the world, the rebirth of the State of Israel, Jerusalem back under Jewish control, and Jews preparing to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Jesus wants us to know the season of His return, and He is quite clear: “When you see all these things, recognize that My return is near, that I’m right at the door.” (see Matthew 24:33)
Based on current tensions, here are three End Times Biblical prophecies worth watching for:
1. Apocalyptic battles for control of Jerusalem. Next year will mark the 40th anniversary of the Six Day War and Israel’s reunification of Jerusalem under Jewish control. Numerous radical Islamic leaders have vowed to “liberate” Jerusalem and liquidate the Jews. Among them: Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the leaders of Hamas, and Osama bin Laden, to name just a few. The war in the Middle East is merely the opening skirmish in a new bid for Islamic control of the Holy City. This is in keeping with the Hebrew prophets who warned that the violent struggle for Jerusalem would continue until the physical return of Jesus to the earth. The Prophet Ezekiel, for example, foresaw a multinational force led by Russia and Iran will seek to capture Israel and Jerusalem (the “War of Gog and Magog,” see Ezekiel 38-39).
2. The destruction of Damascus. Syria is a key ally of Hezbollah and Hamas in their current battles with Israel. Moreover, Syria has been a leading enemy of the Jewish State since its rebirth in May 1948. Some Bible scholars point to the Hebrew Prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah to explain that Syria’s capital city of Damascus will be utterly destroyed in the end times.? There is debate among Bible scholars over such verses. Do they refer to events that will precede the “War of Gog and Magog”? Do they refer to a destruction that will happen during the “War of Gog and Magog”? Do they refer to destruction that will happen during the battle of Armageddon? Or do they merely refer to previous destructions of Damascus? It is not yet clear. But consider: should the current war in the Middle East escalate into a war with Syria, and were — God forbid — Syria to use weapons of mass destruction obtained from Iraq, we could very well see Israel launch a massive strike against Damascus, possibly in fulfillment of these Biblical prophecies.
3. The destruction of Iran’s leaders and military. Since the Islamic Revolution of 1979, Iranian leaders have uttered a seemingly endless series of curses against Israel, calling the Jewish people evil, insisting that the Holocaust never happened, and threatening to wipe Israel “off the map.” In Genesis 12:1-3, the Lord is crystal clear that He will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel.? The prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel are being discussed with growing frequency by Iranian followers of Christ, both inside and outside of the country. They increasingly believe the fulfillment of these prophecies is near.
This is the good news: Despite war and rumors of wars and man’s inhumanity to man, God deeply loves the people of the Middle East, just as He loves us all. The big question is whether the people of the Middle East are going to love Him back and to follow His ways as explained to us in the Bible. Let us be praying all the more for the people of the Middle East.
Joel C. Rosenberg is a correspondent for the Left Behind Prophecy Club.
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I get the point you guys do not believe in a God, but that’s no reason to go after those who do. So the government used some money on a few chapels, with the purpose being to make soldiers feel more at ease, the same ones that fight for our country. If you don’t like them, don’t go, but those who appreciate them, get out of their way. Try and stick to neutrality, but don’t try and mock everything you’re against
salo
Some money? SOME money? You call nearly $40 million SOME money for 4 stinking chapels? What are they, inlaid with gold and each seat has a personal massage function? Christ on a stick! How at ease do these soldiers have to be? And it’s not like these are chapels on foreign soil, where they’re just trying to find a little bit of a reminder of home. These frickin’ grand chapels are in Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, and New Jersey. Not to mention there are a great many soldiers in the service who are non-believers and Uncle Sam does NOTHING to make them feel more at ease. In fact, their lives are made miserable by the likes of those who would bide their time inside the golden doors costing millions of “some” money. They are denigrated, threatened and kept from promotion merely for their disbeliefs. So, no, I’m not going for neutrality, because that’s not really what you want. I want equality for the soldiers without belief in deities. For every dime the military spends on religious shit, an equal amount should be contributed to non-religious benefits. And no American military base needs a million dollar chapel, let alone one that exceeds that 6-10 times. That is simply disgustingly extravagant and wasteful.
salo:
Would you be as supportive of a program that supplied p0rn to the troops with government funds? Would you still be saying So the government used some money on a few p0rn for the troops, with the purpose being to make soldiers feel more at ease, the same ones that fight for our country. If you don’t like them, don’t go, but those who appreciate them, get out of their way.? Or would you, like the same religious groups who have no problem with millions of government dollars helping to build their military chapels, denounce and try to prevent the effort?
I only ask this because it is actually happening right now – religious groups are actively trying to prevent the troops from having any access to p0rn, whilst simultaneously supporting the government funded religious military expenditures. Is this acceptable in your eyes?
Karen:
Ok, so 40 millions is quite a sum. Some luxurious chapels those might be. And yes, they are on our soil, ironic, but I still think soldiers have the right to have a place of worship if you want to call it that. But truly, if you are bothered by those 40 mil, you should keep on searching where other funds go towards. I’m sure you’ll find many other “wastes” of money. And i’m sure you’ll find larger quantities of “wasted” money. Also remember what you and perhaps several other millions of people consider WASTE, another several million, do not. The government has many people to keep satisfied. As for the non-believer soldiers, I do not know what will make them feel at ease, and apparently neither does the government. Those soldiers should spread their voice and get heard, what it is that they feel they should receive so they could feel at ease, as part of their rights. Believers have their: and I quote “religious shit”, then non-believers should also have the right to their: and I quote “non religious benefits”. Don’t pretend on expecting equal amounts of benefits, non-believers to my understanding are a minority, compared to religions and believers of all sorts. I think I kept my neutrality pretty well, as I insist that is what I’m trying. I have my beliefs, but I do not try to impose them over yours.
salo
So because the military wastes money in other areas, that justifies wasting money on chapels?
For starters, not being threatened, beaten, ostracized or fragged for being not being a believer would be a simple solution. Except the “loving” Christians can’t seem to grasp the idea. Also, not being passed over for promotion due to nonreligious status would be a good move. But the same is true in the military as in American politics-career suicide for open atheism. The government -being SECULAR -should have no opinion one way or the other about the matter, but apparently is pressured by the religious right to conform to its God and Country high-stepping.
Ah, but there has never been anything done for non-believers. There is a lot of catching up to do. So if chapels are built on 4 bases for the religious, safe meeting centers for the non-religious need to be built on ALL bases.
That’s only because you already enjoy the luxury of them already being imposed over mine. You say the nonreligious soldiers should speak up and say what they want, but when they do, they get punished, threatened, or worse. Yet the Christians are the ones screaming “persecution!” as if they are the ones not able to freely express their beliefs. How pathetic.