The University of California school system refuses to admit students who learn about science from a sectarian institution with a religious viewpoint. So the Advocates for Faith & Freedom (AFF) are suing UC to force them to place sectarian taught myths on the same basis as reality.Can anyone imagine the damage to our economic system that will occur if AFF succeeds? Imagine every school system across the nation forced to accept religious dogma instead of reality and the deplorable level of intelligence of scientists produced from such an educational system.Would it be hyperbole to say that our entire educational system is on trial for its life?Peter Nuhn
Showing hope, salvation (john 3:16), righteousness and morality (10 commandments) in schools and in public places are abominable in the sight of satanic people [(evolutionists, humanists atheists and all who believes that they don't have souls and are not human but believes that their parents,grandparents and ancestors are animals such as pigs, monkeys, dogs etc., meaning if you're not with God you're with the devil)] that doesn’t want to share to students and to all people because their reason is religion……………………………How about the satanic religion !!! to preach evolution, atheism, immorality-marriage of the same male/female organ- homos, hatred, devorce, cloning of frankenstine, cowardness to fight terrorism, etc. ….Question: Are you Americans? do you believe in freedom of religion/ speech/ expression? do you??????????? Do you know George Washington and other American forefathers??????? Through them America was blessed…….Look at your money…until now, America are blessed because of our forefather’s belief “IN GOD WE TRUST” look at your money……satan made you like an animal but please don’t include your patrents/ relatives…….. Repent and accept Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved….John 3:16………Rebuke satan and he will flee from you…..God bless.
Christ is the way,
When did you stop taking your meds? The antipsychotic tablets only work if you take them.
I want the etc! Mmm mmm good.
Is that you’re reason to prove that you’re a monkey?????? please don’t include your brother, sister and parents in your foolishness.
Now consider the Bible doctrine of salvation from sin. Because men are sinners, we alone can never overcome the consequences of our sins. So God sent His own Son to die as a sacrifice to forgive us (John 3:16). But if evolution is true, all of this was unnecessary. If man is constantly progressing, if we just wait long enough we could evolve our own savior! A founder of Canada’s United Church is reported to have said: “It is possible through evolution for the human race to produce a greater man than Jesus Christ.”
In fact, human improvement by evolution is a fundamental doctrine of both Nazism and Communism. They teach that man will progressively improve till we reach the state of Utopia on earth. To help us along the way, both Nazis and Communists practice “survival of the fittest” — they murder millions of people whom they consider to be “unfit”!
Evolution and the Bible are unalterably contradictory. They can never be harmonized.
You need renewal of minds…turn to Jesus and you can have love, joy, peace, goodness, etc which satan can not give.
DiArtemis, for much discussion on the Ben Stein movie “Expelled”, go to the site Pharyngula.
There are some funny stories there.
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Comment from Phreedm:
Finally, we are in agreement with Phreedm.
Christ is the way,
Iv’e never seen anyone show any interest in satan here. Instead of being “Born again” ,why dont you people just grow up?
Could it be that while the general topic of those classes are indeed broad, its in fact the atmosphere in which the courses are taught that excludes them? I’m not sure you could get any more narrower and biased than having a look at the effects of a religion in that religion’s particular private school…
oh, and X is in the way,
Perhaps you should look into evolution a bit more, along with species classifications: humans are not monkeys (monkeys have tails), humans are great apes. Monkeys and Humans are Primates. If you’re going to try to debase evolutionary points, at least know what you’re talking about.
Christ is the way said
I’d like to see you defend that position against Francis Collins(a Christian). You might want to read his new book.
Jeebus Phreak College Courses:
Faith based healing
Religious Philosophy 101: How to persecute the heathens without getting into trouble with the law
Economics 101: Getting federal funding for your faith
How To demonize every other brand of religious insanity but your own
Speaking in Tongues
Snake Handling
Abortion provider stalking and harassment
Law 101: Bringing back crucifixion and the stocks
History 101: Why the factual evidence is WRONG!
Literature 101: How best can we call everyone who doesn’t believe our religiously insane bullsh!t an agent of Satan
Politics 101: Democrats – spawn of Satan or merely condemned to hell?
I see 4-F freedy and some other troll have derailed the thread – again. At least it’s pretty obvious which posts don’t merit reading.
DVan and mxracer, I generally agree with you above. Non-science classes should NOT be recognized as meeting the admission requirements for science, and college isn’t the place to play catch-up. However, many students, especially at state schools, have to do at least a little “catching up,” and I think they should be given a chance to if they are willing.
Rusty;
You said
This is precisely the problem upon which several friends (tenured professors of various subjects (including science, math, and english)) have commented. When students are unprepared yet manage to be admitted to Uni, someone (paid in most instances) has to bring said students up to par. The result is wasted time and money. This problem is even more egregious when considering the many state institutions that already have a hard time attracting new educators due to funds being cut.
I’ll concede they should probobly accept the physics courses, there’s not many ways to religify physics.
as for the literature and history courses, it depends on whether they cherry pick or teach the full spectrum of each suject.
mark twain, for instance, wrote a great deal of material which was critical of religion in general and chrisitianity to say the least. and do they cover the role of religion in opposing the abolitionist movement and in pushing prohibition? somehow I expect not.
in any respect, I don’t know that any of us is in a good position to judge how these courses are being handled, we may just have to wait to see the outcome of the case.
So why haven’t Christ Is The Way’s posts been deleted since they are clearly ‘preachy’?
Atheists are Satanic people??!! Thats not only preachy and vulgar, its downright stupid.
I want to see some ‘deletion’ without ‘apology’
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I’m not talking about admitting people who are woefully unprepared (whatever that would mean, and I admit I don’t know where to draw that line). I just think that students who have the capacity to acquire and appreciate a university education shouldn’t be turned away just because they’ve been subject to religious indoctrination. They are the ones who might MOST benefit from a rational education. I don’t think that would be a waste of time or money.
You’ve hit the nail on the head right there.
Rusty;
I understand your position and concur that it’s not always the student’s fault in regards to being unprepared. That’s why (I think) there’s so much opposition to the homeschooling issue.
I have actually known some kids and parents that approach homeschooling in the manner described by Stardust. I’m all for that!
I don’t have the answer, but a better standardized testing system which would show students and educators where they are missing the boat (thus having the opportunity to address those areas) might be a good start.
The “standardized testing” that is being used now is a bunch of crap (IMO). Teaching the test is worthless.
disclaimer: Having spent only one school year in the american public school system, I don’t present myself as an authority on the subject. Most of my pre-uni education occured overseas.
A little epilogue for this thread:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/12/BAQT129NMG.DTL&tsp=1
Imagine that, its ok for universities to expect students to have learned actual science.
mdetrano’s url went off the margin and the end was cut off.
Is this it?
http://www.sfgate.com/science/
Scroll down the middle of the page to:
Judge says UC can deny religious course credit