Comments on: New CPR Technique http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique A Blog of Atheist Thought Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:59:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: brad14146 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80164 brad14146 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80164 They're just reporting on this now. I had this information from an acls booklet over a year ago. I still feel this is risky considering the many hugh poss. of the individual going down due to the reasons mentioned at the end of the article. Maybe start off by hyperventilating the pt and then proceeding w the compressions They’re just reporting on this now. I had this information from an acls booklet over a year ago. I still feel this is risky considering the many hugh poss. of the individual going down due to the reasons mentioned at the end of the article. Maybe start off by hyperventilating the pt and then proceeding w the compressions

]]> By: billh http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80187 billh Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80187 brad: I agree somewhat. The success rates do appear much higher though. Is it perfect, of course not but it is something that really should be looked into.<br /> <br /> I have had to give CPR once where the woman had alcohol poisoning. In between her heart stopping, getting her to breath and clearing out the vomit, I was constantly worried about what I was blowing down into her lungs. The paramedics arrived in time and she suffered only a less than honerable discharge.<br /> <br /> <br /> If I had to breath less and just pump her heart, I think it would have still worked.<br /> <br /> Worth thinking about.<br /> brad: I agree somewhat. The success rates do appear much higher though. Is it perfect, of course not but it is something that really should be looked into.

I have had to give CPR once where the woman had alcohol poisoning. In between her heart stopping, getting her to breath and clearing out the vomit, I was constantly worried about what I was blowing down into her lungs. The paramedics arrived in time and she suffered only a less than honerable discharge.

If I had to breath less and just pump her heart, I think it would have still worked.

Worth thinking about.

]]> By: thx1138 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80191 thx1138 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80191 There's an additional benefit to successful resuscitation: we can ask the victim if he/she saw a brilliant white light at the end of a long blue tunnel. There’s an additional benefit to successful resuscitation: we can ask the victim if he/she saw a brilliant white light at the end of a long blue tunnel.

]]> By: GodFree&Glad http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80192 GodFree&Glad Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80192 This is soooo of topic, but all my dog friends think everybody should know this:<br /> <br /> If you have a dog... PLEASE read this and send it on. If you don't have a dog, please pass along to friends who do. Written by:Laurinda Morris, DVM> > Danville Veterinary Clinic, Danville , Ohio <br /> This week I had the first case in history of RASIN TOXCIDITY ever seen at MedVet. My patient was a 56-pound, 5 yr old male neutered lab mix that ate half a canister of raisins sometime between 7:30 AM and 4:30 PM on Tuesday. He started with vomiting, diarrhea and shaking about 1AM on Wednesday but the owner didn't call my emergency service until 7AM.<br /> I had heard somewhere about raisins AND grapes causing acute Renal failure but hadn't seen any formal paper on this. We had her bring the dog in immediately. In the meantime, I called the ER service at MedVet, and the doctor there was like me - had heard something about it, but....Anyway, we contacted the ASPCA National Animal Poison Control Center and they said to give I.V. fluids at 1 1/2 times maintenance and watch the kidney values for the next 48-72 hours.<br /> The dog's BUN (blood urea nitrogen level) was already at 32 (normal less than 27) and creatinine! over 5 ( 1.9 is the high end of normal). Both are monitors of kidney function in the bloodstream. We placed an I.V. catheter and started the fluids. Rechecked the renal values at 5 PM and the BUN was over 40 and creatinine over 7 with no urine production after a liter of fluids. At the point I felt the dog was in acute renal failure and sent him on to MedVet for a urinary catheter to monitor urine output overnight as well as overnight care.<br /> He started vomiting again overnight at MedVet and his renal values have continued to increase daily. He produced urine when given lasix as a diuretic. He was on 3 different anti-vomiting medications and they still couldn't control his vomiting. Today his urine output decreased again, his BUN was over 120, his creatinine was at 10, his phosphorus was very elevated and his blood pressure, which had been staying around 150, skyrocketed to 220.. He continued to vomit and the owners elected to euthanize. <br /> This is a very sad case - great dog, great owners who had no idea raisins could be a toxin. Please alert everyone you know who has a dog of this very serious risk. POISON CONTROL SAID AS FEW AS 7 RAISINS OR GRAPES COULD BE TOXIC. Many people I know give their dogs grapes or raisins as treats including our ex-handler's. Any exposure should give rise to immediate concern. <br /> Even if you don't have a dog, you might have friends who do. This is worth passing on to them. <br /> <br /> This is soooo of topic, but all my dog friends think everybody should know this:

If you have a dog… PLEASE read this and send it on. If you don’t have a dog, please pass along to friends who do. Written by:Laurinda Morris, DVM> > Danville Veterinary Clinic, Danville , Ohio
This week I had the first case in history of RASIN TOXCIDITY ever seen at MedVet. My patient was a 56-pound, 5 yr old male neutered lab mix that ate half a canister of raisins sometime between 7:30 AM and 4:30 PM on Tuesday. He started with vomiting, diarrhea and shaking about 1AM on Wednesday but the owner didn’t call my emergency service until 7AM.
I had heard somewhere about raisins AND grapes causing acute Renal failure but hadn’t seen any formal paper on this. We had her bring the dog in immediately. In the meantime, I called the ER service at MedVet, and the doctor there was like me – had heard something about it, but….Anyway, we contacted the ASPCA National Animal Poison Control Center and they said to give I.V. fluids at 1 1/2 times maintenance and watch the kidney values for the next 48-72 hours.
The dog’s BUN (blood urea nitrogen level) was already at 32 (normal less than 27) and creatinine! over 5 ( 1.9 is the high end of normal). Both are monitors of kidney function in the bloodstream. We placed an I.V. catheter and started the fluids. Rechecked the renal values at 5 PM and the BUN was over 40 and creatinine over 7 with no urine production after a liter of fluids. At the point I felt the dog was in acute renal failure and sent him on to MedVet for a urinary catheter to monitor urine output overnight as well as overnight care.
He started vomiting again overnight at MedVet and his renal values have continued to increase daily. He produced urine when given lasix as a diuretic. He was on 3 different anti-vomiting medications and they still couldn’t control his vomiting. Today his urine output decreased again, his BUN was over 120, his creatinine was at 10, his phosphorus was very elevated and his blood pressure, which had been staying around 150, skyrocketed to 220.. He continued to vomit and the owners elected to euthanize.
This is a very sad case – great dog, great owners who had no idea raisins could be a toxin. Please alert everyone you know who has a dog of this very serious risk. POISON CONTROL SAID AS FEW AS 7 RAISINS OR GRAPES COULD BE TOXIC. Many people I know give their dogs grapes or raisins as treats including our ex-handler’s. Any exposure should give rise to immediate concern.
Even if you don’t have a dog, you might have friends who do. This is worth passing on to them.

]]> By: quantum_flux http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80195 quantum_flux Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80195 Well, the difference between this and that is that provides a much higher pressurized way for air get into the lungs in between compressions (blowing air into the lungs), while this only allows for atmospheric pressures to repressurize the lungs in between compressions. I think the old way is better, but this way is still good. Well, the difference between this and that is that provides a much higher pressurized way for air get into the lungs in between compressions (blowing air into the lungs), while this only allows for atmospheric pressures to repressurize the lungs in between compressions. I think the old way is better, but this way is still good.

]]> By: billh http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80197 billh Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80197 GodFree:<br /> This is true. Dogs love raisins and once in a while I would give them 1 or 2 as a treat. Until I found that it could kill them. Thought it was a hoax but checked it out. They have been raisin free for over a year now.<br /> <br /> http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp<br /> <br /> And god free for their whole life. Very happy critters if I may say. GodFree:
This is true. Dogs love raisins and once in a while I would give them 1 or 2 as a treat. Until I found that it could kill them. Thought it was a hoax but checked it out. They have been raisin free for over a year now.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp

And god free for their whole life. Very happy critters if I may say.

]]> By: brad14146 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80198 brad14146 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80198 DD, I agree that what increases an individual chance to survive and makes it easier for another to provide life saving interventions is a good thing. In situations like cardiac arrest, this is a good thing. My main issue is how is a lay person to know the difference. Another potential issue with this is choking victims. What if an individual passes out from lack of o2 due to choking. If someone walks in after the fact they may not know the cause and just start compressions. In these cases is there enough o2 left in the lungs or has the individual used it all up prior to passing out. Providing initial breaths allows the rescuer to recognize whether or not an airway obstruction is presence. Being able to remove the foreign body within a minute wouild go much further than providing compressions for 6 to 10 mins as u wait for the medics to arrive. DD, I agree that what increases an individual chance to survive and makes it easier for another to provide life saving interventions is a good thing. In situations like cardiac arrest, this is a good thing. My main issue is how is a lay person to know the difference. Another potential issue with this is choking victims. What if an individual passes out from lack of o2 due to choking. If someone walks in after the fact they may not know the cause and just start compressions. In these cases is there enough o2 left in the lungs or has the individual used it all up prior to passing out. Providing initial breaths allows the rescuer to recognize whether or not an airway obstruction is presence. Being able to remove the foreign body within a minute wouild go much further than providing compressions for 6 to 10 mins as u wait for the medics to arrive.

]]> By: brad14146 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80199 brad14146 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80199 DD, I agree that what increases an individual chance to survive and makes it easier for another to provide life saving interventions is a good thing. In situations like cardiac arrest, this is a good thing. My main issue is how is a lay person to know the difference. Another potential issue with this is choking victims. What if an individual passes out from lack of o2 due to choking. If someone walks in after the fact they may not know the cause and just start compressions. In these cases is there enough o2 left in the lungs or has the individual used it all up prior to passing out. Providing initial breaths allows the rescuer to recognize whether or not an airway obstruction is presence. Being able to remove the foreign body within a minute wouild go much further than providing compressions for 6 to 10 mins as u <br /> wait for the medics to arrive. DD, I agree that what increases an individual chance to survive and makes it easier for another to provide life saving interventions is a good thing. In situations like cardiac arrest, this is a good thing. My main issue is how is a lay person to know the difference. Another potential issue with this is choking victims. What if an individual passes out from lack of o2 due to choking. If someone walks in after the fact they may not know the cause and just start compressions. In these cases is there enough o2 left in the lungs or has the individual used it all up prior to passing out. Providing initial breaths allows the rescuer to recognize whether or not an airway obstruction is presence. Being able to remove the foreign body within a minute wouild go much further than providing compressions for 6 to 10 mins as u
wait for the medics to arrive.

]]> By: billh http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80200 billh Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80200 brad, that is one reason, training is still a good idea. I think RC should start training this method if they are not already.<br /> <br /> It would be much simpler to ensure the airway is clear, get a breath in them of clean air, then just start the compressions. So much easier than the method I was taught. brad, that is one reason, training is still a good idea. I think RC should start training this method if they are not already.

It would be much simpler to ensure the airway is clear, get a breath in them of clean air, then just start the compressions. So much easier than the method I was taught.

]]> By: rdmiller3 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/04/01/new_cpr_technique/comment-page-1#comment-80223 rdmiller3 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-80223 Maybe the reason that this alternate form of CPR is "just as effective" is because CPR simply isn't very effective in the first place.<br /> <br /> I've heard of multiple cases where CPR caused fractured ribs and other complications. Is there any <em>evidence</em> that CPR is actually beneficial? Maybe the reason that this alternate form of CPR is “just as effective” is because CPR simply isn’t very effective in the first place.

I’ve heard of multiple cases where CPR caused fractured ribs and other complications. Is there any evidence that CPR is actually beneficial?

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