http://www.thefitna.com/Just released, This anti-Muslim movie is about 15 minutes long and is very scary and graphic. I wonder how many innocents will be killed by barbarians THIS time.Watch it — before they pull it off the server.Thanks Zac and Marc.
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DeepDiver,
I’ve lost a lot of respect for America since the christian started to be respected by the government. Respect by our government for christianity is a road to destruction of a once great nation.
Before the shrub pushed the button, there were reports from the UN inspectors that they had looked in every reasonable place and had not found any signs of WMD. The aluminum tube story had already been discredited.
The link you provided, provides a reasonably accurate time line but, it doesn’t draw a conclusion concerning the lies or deceit that was spread by the christian shrub machine.
There were in fact problems with Iraq but, some of the responsibility lay with the United States prior positions and actions. However, that could not be an endless excuse for continuing problems and eventually a majority of nations may well have supported military action if the problems in Iraq persisted. However, the time was not right if common sense and reason would have been the deciding factors but, that wasn’t the case, religion, along with oil and, the shrub wanting to fix what he viewed as his fathers mistake and, some stupid idea that the public was ripe for support of a war with Iraq were the factors that lead to the first strike. Personally, I think all those are stupid reasons to start a war. The fact that there were no WMD was known reasonably well prior to the decision made by the shrub.
Our Constitution has been breached by the christians. In order for me to have pride and a general good feeling about the United States, some things will need to change. The removal of religion from our government would be a giant step in the right direction.
I do not give unquestioned respect to anyone or any nation. My respect is given and removed based on evidence and the actions of those in question.
DD
Let’s start with the aluminum tubes. It was well known before the invasion that these tubes were not for centrifuges but rather for conventional shells. But BushCo claimed otherwise. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
Then there was the famous sixteen words:
?The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.? Why didn’t Bush tell us WHICH country. That little tidbit set off waves of speculation which where never answered by BushCo. That should have sent up one huge freaking red flag. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
And then there was Colin Powel’s laughable Feb 2003 presentation to the UN with no tangible evidence whatsoever. The scum bag spoke of an “updated” intelligence dossier from the Brits. Two days later what happened? Embarrassed British officials had to admit that the bulk of the dossier had plagiarized from an outdated freaking graduate student thesis assessing Iraq?s weapons capability in 1991. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
And then there were the claims by BushCo that Iraq had stores of chemical weapons. But these chemical weapons were sold to him buy the US. They were organophosphate and cyanide based weapons (in the 90s) that had half-lifes that would have made them useless 10 years later. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
The claims of nuclear weapons were debunked by Scott Ritter (UN weapons inspector in Iraq) team prior to the invasion. In 2002 Ritter wrote about the absurdity of WMDs in Iraq in “War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn?t Want You To Know”.
But BushCo kept pressing on with the “mushroom cloud” propaganda. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
Hans Blix team was inspecting the hell out of Iraq and he was reporting back frequently that no weapons were being found and that it was unlikely there were any as per Ritter. But BushCo pulled Blix out. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
Bush promised to return to the UN for a second vote to clarify what resolution 1441 meant with respect to enforcement but he did not. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
We were about to undertake the invasion of a country that had not attacked us – A PREEMPTIVE WAR. To undertake such an extraordinary action, well outside of the UN charter, should have required extraordinary evidence but there was none. A citizen would have asked WHY? Did you?
Some responsible ADULTS did! You did not.
I was clubbed by police and lost my job at a federal installation because I protested and organized against this war. So tell me who is the real American citizen. You or people like me?
Look in the mirror!
Could not agree more, but we also have the right and obligation to restore it. Many are trying to do just so.
Unfortunately, many like What just wish to bad mouth America and support its enemies.
What: noticed you really said nothing new.
Not one word about the evils of Sadam. Nor of any Muslim ruler, cleric nor nation
Not one word about the good we have done.
Of course you do not want to find these because it would delute you hatred of America.
That is what this whole issue is about. Your hatred of America.
Comment from: DeepDiver
FlyingWeasel;
I want you to reread my posts.
Where did I say he had any WMD?s?
I am only commenting on WHAT?s anti American rhetoric.
DeepDiver:
Where did What say that he hated america?
It sounds to me as though you are engaging in the very thing you criticize What for doing.
It also sounds to me that What hates the Republican’t junta that took over in a coup in 2000 – not america. And he would like to see others express a similar concern instead of just sweeping it all under the rug.
My recollection of the times was that the weapons inspectors had done a very thorough job of cataloguing and destroying WMDs in Iraq (somewhere over 98% of everything was thought to have been found), and then the Cokespoon Cowboy pulled them out of Iraq before they could verify that there were no WMDs and remove the main rationale for his illegal occupation of a foreign country with a lot of cheap oil.
I also noticed that you want to focus on the evils of Saddam and the muslims, and the good of the american regime and its’ main religious group of moralistic busybodies.
No focus on the evil we’ve done.
No acknowledgement that it appears that the Disaster Monkey is a worse dictator of Iraq than Saddam.
No indication that you’re aware that america has helped turn Iraq, the only secular state in the middle east, into a muslim theocracy.
I don’t think that Saddam was anything but an evil bastich who didn’t deserve to be treated as well as he was. But I’m not prepared to gloss over the incompetent clueless Giggling Murderer, or his cabal, or the clusterCheney they’ve dragged america into in the middle east. Or the way they’ve trashed america while doing it.
You know what, I’m done here. I have said over and over, this was a f’ed up war we should have never gotten involved with. We should have focused 100% on Afganistan. People continuously compare the United States to Muslim extremists. That we are no better than these Muslim extemists. Hinting that we are worst.
Don’t bother responding. I’m not getting my message across. Moving on.
A few quotes for your entertainment(?):
“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.”
Adolph Hitler
Remind you of anyone? (hint: bush, cheney, rumsfeld?)
It is the leaders of countries who determine policy in regard to war. Of course the people don?t want war; however it is easy to get them to go along. Tell them they are being attacked and are in danger and denounce the peacemakers as lacking patriotism. It works every time.
Hermann Goering
(emphasis mine)
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Dr. Samuel Johnson
One last one:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president (right or wrong), is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Theodore Roosevelt
DD:
I apologise if I was wrong, but you really seemed to be making the case here that our “pre-emptive strike” on iraq was justified.
we don’t invade a country just because we’re NOT 100% positive they AREN’T a threat, we invade when we’re positive they ARE a threat.
like most christians, bush and co started with the conclusion (iraq is a threat) and then tried to find evidence to support their rhetoric.
So if this information was known to DD at the time then why did he support the invasion that he now thinks was a mistake? Some people just don’t know when to quit.
deepdiver, ex-Senator(R)Lincoln Chafee said that he never saw the evidence of Saddam’s WMD’s.
Two days before the Bush invasion, French President Jacques Chirac was interviewed on CBS. He said he had not seen any evidence.
The next day he gave a speech repeating that. He said that the inspection teams had done a good job and were continuing to do so.
Some people, like Chaffee, Chirac, hey and even me, were lucid about Bush lies.