Senator Obama has distanced himself from his former preacher who said some hateful things about this country. As I read about his speech, I felt anger seethe from my pores.Nobody blames GW Bush for supporting Fallwell, or accused Guiliani of being antisemitic because Pat Robertson endorsed him (and Rudi accepted with glee). This is a ridiculous argument.Listen folks, Christian preachers spew hate ALL THE TIME, and nobody accuses the parishioners of agreeing with everything they say (because nobody believes their preachers anyway). I’m personally more of a Hillary guy, but I’m sure Hillary’s preacher has said things with which I would strongly disagree. Can’t stop hate mongers from mongering hate, and you can’t blame those within earshot.Let’s talk about the war, the economy, and the price of gas, please!
tom rightly mentioned McCain’s spiritual mentors Hagee and Parsley. These guys are end-timers.
Hagee has even called for a war on Iran because he believes it will bring on armageddon. Which is worse, Wright saying “goddamn America” or Hagee urging the end of the world?
But there has been little media attention to Hagee.
what:
That was/is the only thing going in Obama’s favor. McCain was not my 1st choice but beats the hell out of people further SELLING our country off.
Dems want to allow ALL illegals into this country with not background checks, nor medical checks. I am just waiting for TB to rear its ugly head in this country.
Dems are pushing to make this a 3rd world country. Bring as much slave labor into this country to do the manual jobs, outsource our middle class jobs to India, PI, China, etc.. Reduce everything down to the haves and have nots.
McCain is not much better. If Dobbs throughs his hat in, or someone else with half a brain, I’ll chose them first.
Comment from: phreedm
Here we have someone who’s actually not afraid to be truthful about their hatred for America…
So when are you going to be truthful and tell us about your irrational unreasining hatred of atheists?
I mean, if you’re actually going to pretend that you have the moral high ground, and are entitled to define ohters as being america haters, then you should also objectively and honestly evaluate your own flaws in this area. Right?
Oh, wait – you’re a Republican’t christian. The most hypocrticial two faced liars on the planet.
Never mind…
Comment from: phreedm
Atheist arrogance at it’s best…
Coming from an arrogant christian arsehole, that statement has such resonance with the audience! Such gravtias that azll athiests should rethink their entire philosophies, and embrace fairy tales about an invisible sky fairy.
Or maybe it’s just the same old same old religious insanity coming from the same vacuous pue-hole that it always does around here…
Gee Dave…you became an atheist at the tender age of 3…
Exactly how many of the 852,000 churches in America have you attended…?
Probably one less than you, elitist christian phreak…
It’s irrational, emotional comments like this that discredit many atheists…
…as opposed to irrational crap from religiously insane idiots like you.
Oh wait, actually knowing facts makes no difference…kind of like…
…there being no facts to support any of the big books of religious fairy tales?
…the way religiously insane idiots like you, phreakshow, completely ignore any sort of factual accuracy in your comments here?
…the way christians ingore or trivialze any facts that don’t agree with their pagan superstitions?
There is no God in the entire universe….ok. I get it.
Do you? Do you really?
Maybe if you could find some, like, facts and stuff, that would support your wild-a$$ christian delusions, you might some day be qualified to comment on this topic.
I’m relatively sure that won’t stop you from dropping steaming loads of christian horse hockey all over the comments sections of non-religious web sites like this, though…
The reality is…the Dems have lost in November. Period.
Um, mental midget ? the reality is that it is March, and the election is in November.
Did the voices in your head, er, your invisible sky fairy, tell you that the Dems will have been losers by the time 2009 rolls around? Or is this some radical new faith based time travel you gots going on here?
As I’ve stated several times, it’s all by design.
Coming from a religiously insane idiot who believes in intelligent design, this statement is semantically null. Like so much that exudes from the big hole in the front of this phreakish melon.
McCain was able to grant the major media great power through the farce known as campaign finance reform…he’s going to get elected as payback.
When he can?t even follow his own campaign finance rules?
Oh, wait ? Republican?ts don?t have to play by Republican?ts rules. That?s for suckers, er, Democrats, to do!
Even Soros has funded McCain…
Yeah ? I believe you. Honest. With no proof that what you?re saying has any connection whatsoever to reality as we know it.
Did Rush or Sean Hannity tell that to you for the past year?
Shawn Hannity has been talking about Obama’s pastor for over a year. Don’t you find it the lease bit odd that now, after the delegate count assures Obama the nomination, that now the major media is all over this story?
I don?t find it the least bit odd that a paid shill for the Republican?t Party has been trying to disseminate Republican?t talking points through his Republican?t owned and controlled media outlet while performing his Republican?t duties of advancing Republican?t lies and disinformation, no?
The black community already believes Obama is the nominee. This story will not go away, and it gives good cover to the super delegates to vote for Hillary. If that happens the black community is going to feel cheated. Since the historical black vote is around 95% for dems, if they stay home, it’s a huge hole for Hillary to fill.
Do some research…it’s all a game.
Coming from someone who appears to do absolutely no research, presents no facts or rational argument to support their wild a$$ allegations, and continually tosses illogical religiously insane off-topic comments into an atheist web site, this ?analysis? seems to be somewhat lacking IMHO. Perhaps if you would try and pull your head out of your anal sphincter once in a while, you might notice that your buffoonery is only good for parody around here.
But, by all means, keep on giving us all a poignant example of just exactly how mentally deranged religious insanity can make some people act like complete and utter arseholes to their fellow human beings. Pointing to your scribblings has already caused some fervent church contributors to rethink and reject the religious beliefs they were brainwashed with from infancy.
Comment from: atheistmike
It doesn’t matter how many I’ve gone to. I’m not the one making a blanket condemnation…besides. I wouldn’t be so arrogant to assume I knew what went on in every one of them…
The conservatives like Rush Limbaugh love this battle. They don’t have to defend McCain but just watch Obama and Clinton bicker. It’s perfect for them.
‘Harlem Preacher says Obama got a White Mama’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk
hahahah
What, did you actually just compare Obama to Lincoln? They’re both from Illinois, but other than that…
If the Iraq war is really the important issue for you, I advise you to closely examine Obama’s position.
He won’t commit to a date for complete withdrawal (even 2013 strikes him as too soon); his plan would keep at least 60,000 troops in Iraq; and those removed from Iraq would be redeployed to Afghanistan!
And, in 2004, he stated that his position on the war was very close to Bush’s! (And he was telling the truth!)
Like it or not, Hil-dogg is actually a better choice for those who oppose the war.
But Obamanation will go on, hearing only what they want to hear.
The cult of Obama will not only dismiss the maniacal ravings of Mr. Wright, but also the blatant anti-Americanism of Michelle Obama, who “wasn’t proud” of this country until her husband became wildly popular.
Excuse me while I vomit.
This will all be forgotten soon, just like McCain’s sport-fucking of lobbyists has already been forgotten. In August nobody but 29-percenters will still remember who the Rev. Wright is.
Oh man this one’s even better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related
‘Obama is a long-legged, mack-daddy!!’
What
“Your question was offensive. Our rights as guaranteed in our Constitution apply to all of us. Would you tolerate Phreeky telling you to go elsewhere if you don’t like the influence of xianity in our country?”
If I ever got to the point where I publicly proclaimed that America was evil and my life here was intolerable, yet I stayed, then yes I would welcome phreedum advising me to leave. The difference between rev wright and myself is that he hates America whereas I love this country. America isn’t perfect but without a doubt it is better than anywhere else.
I call this The Loony Preacher Political Doctrine, it points out the difference in the parties:
Democratic presidential candidates are better off if they avoid loony preachers.
Republican presidential candidates are better off if they are loony preachers.
Comment from: phreedm
It doesn’t matter how many I’ve gone to. I’m not the one making a blanket condemnation…besides. I wouldn’t be so arrogant to assume I knew what went on in every one of them…
…you’d just be arrogant enough to tell an atheist that he knows nothing of what he’s talking about because he didn’t attend services in every one of those 852,000 churches. Plus, you’re a religiously insane idiot who thinks he can spew irrational illogical kimchee like this and be able to get away with it.
Feel free to ignore this, like you ignore everything else that points out to the rest of the world how much of a religiously insane brainless moron you are. Maybe you can selectively quote me now and pull a pithy, off-topic question out of this and pretend to answer it – the way you do whenever you feel that people aren’t paying enough attention to your occult superstitionist diatribes around here.
And – Suck it, jeebus phreak!
What,
Addressing your reply to my comment that slavery is over and blacks need to get over it you stated:
“Some lesions are not benign lacerations or infections but rather malignancies that if untreated, and sometimes despite treatment, can grow and kill the host. Obama addressed a malignancy and I am glad he did.”
Exactly how do we treat what you call this “malignancy”? As a country we have extended Medicaid, welfare and affirmative action. Yet, according to many blacks, we still owe reparations for our “sins”. Again no mention of the fact that Africans sold their own people into slavery, which evidently isn’t to be held up to the light.
You are dead wrong on this issue. Slavery is over, has been over, and blacks need to move on. Yes, there is still prejudice in some dark corners of this country, but I don’t hear you giving your country any applause for the positive things which have been and are being done for blacks. I don’t see you holding up the many blacks who have benefited from the programs this hateful country so willingly offered.
I need look no further than my own family to see that holding dear and fanning the flames of wrongs long since past only destroy the lives of those who don’t move on. I have a grandfather and a husband who suffered terrible wrongs early in life. Those two chose to move on and have led successful and outstanding lives. On the other hand I have a grandson who chooses to dwell on the past and blame the world. His life is a disaster. I compare these situations to that of continuing to seethe over a country’s policy which is no more.
What Obama did in his speech was more or less change the subject. He told us, if you read between the lines, that it isn’t that what Rev. Wright said that was inexcusable, but rather that we whites had fallen short. What Obama was saying was that if Wright and blacks in general are angry and occasionally say hateful things that there is reason, and that we whites, if we are surprised, haven’t been paying attention.
I don’t know what it is about Obama that has blinded so many people, but I can assure you that he is not the great semi-white or semi-black hope the world has been waiting for.
Unless I’m wrong he will be elected our next president. But in the rhetoric of “change” I hear a disturbing hint of buried anger and a sense of approval for his pastor’s disgraceful statments along with a hidden sense of racial righteousness.
So go for it. Vote for him. Won’t it be great to have a president with a dedication to another country ahead of his own and a wife who finally has found reason to be proud of her country because her husband has blinded so many voters, and I presume, a pastor making regular trips to the Whitehouse to spew hate from a larger pulpit.
EJ
A few folks here have been repeating Obama-experience mantra of Clinton and the rethuglicans. Lincoln had one term in the US House of Representatives. Obama has one term in the US Senate. Obama beats him on experience. Where’s your argument?
Really? If you want to know his position then read it. Here it is from the issues section of his website:
and then you say:
Afghanistan! You do realize that Afghanistan isn’t a city in Iraq, don’t you?
Looks like someone his reading what he wants to read.
What,
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound comparing Obama to Lincoln?
Lincoln was active in politics for 28 years before he was elected president. He was key in forming a new political coalition and ultimately a new party. And by all accounts, he eloquently delivered many speeches more rousing than Mr. Obama’s on topics much more controversial.
Don’t be silly.
So Obama has ran far leftward on Iraq? What makes you think he won’t change his position *again* (anti-war in 2002, pro-war in 2004, and anti-war again now that he’s campaigning)?
Thanks for the geography lesson; my point is that Obama has no plans to reduce our military commitments–in fact, he wants to expand the size of the military.
I implore you to read Matt Gonzalez’s criticism of Obama:
http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html
Examine the man’s voting record. Please.
EJ
Obama has more substantial experience in the federal government than did Lincoln. Don’t be silly by denying that fact.
It appears you can’t bring yourself to admitt that you were wrong. You were wrong when you stated Obamas posistion and now you simply state that he was prowar in 2004. How dishonest can you be. Prove your accusation or, this time, admit that you aren’t do the most basic research into Obama’s position on the Invasion of Iraq.
Once again you are making statements about his positions that conflict with what HE says about his position.
You should do the most remedial research first before putting words in the candidates mouth.
What,
You didn’t even bother reading the article I linked?
In it, you will find a quote from Obama in 2004, saying that he wants to keep troops in Iraq for counterterrorism, which most analysts say will require a troop level of 50,000-75,000. He also said that his position on the war, in 2004, was “not that far from that of President Bush.”
Politicians will say anything to get elected, and Obama is no different, no matter what you would like to believe. Here’s another link showing how his position on Iraq has changed:
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/barack_obama_flip_flopped_on_iraq/
Now I’ve cited *two* sources for you. I highly doubt you will bother to actually read either, as I suspect you are afraid of the cognitive dissonance.
I should have been more clear before–I am familiar with Obama’s stated position, but I have no reason to believe him, when for *years* he supported the idea that withdrawal would be catastrophic for Iraq, and he only changed his position during his presidential campaign.
You mean you haven’t heard his “expand the armed forces by 100,000″ mantra? It’s on his website, and you seem to be familiar with that!
Here it is:
Well, turns out that Obama’s math, and mine, were wrong–it’s only 92,000. But it’s an increase.
He also wants to increase military spending. Seriously–go check out all the new equipment he wants to order. It’s on his website!
Maybe you should do some remedial research before you project your own views onto a political candidate!
And start with the Gonzalez article. You will be very surprised by what you read.
Correction: he changed his position on Iraq for his presidential campaign, not during it.
EJ
Man you are all over the place.
Counterterrorism? Oh you mean “Al Qaeda in Iraq”? Given the intelligence of Obama I would expect that he understands that there is no “Al Qaeda in Iraq”. Unfortunately the BushCo propaganda machine has got the lazy MSM believing that there is and thereby forcing all candidates to speak about this nonexistent threat. So Obama responded to this nonexistent threat by saying that if Al Qaeda in Iraq attempts to build a base in Iraq he would go back in. Now, why would he say such a thing? Because there is no “Al Qaeda in Iraq” and therefore no need to go back into Iraq.
The group that the MSM refers to as “Al Qaeda in Iraq” does not call itself by that name. They call themselves The Islamic State of Iraq. They are a Sunni nationalist group that simply wants us out of their country. Al Qaeda – the lame little bogeyman – is a Sunni group of religious fanatics.
McCain does not know the difference between Sunni and Shia as he displayed three time in one 24 hour period this week. And he keeps pushing the lame “Al Qaeda in Iraq” nonsense.
It’s very difficult for any candidate, even an adult like Obama, to respond to the challenges of our times within the context of the tangled web of propaganda woven by BushCo. A tangled web that McCain promotes as much as Rudi 9-11 Gulianni.
Ah, so is that your way of adnitting that, opce again, you put words into Obama’s mouth that were never spoken?
MX,,how many people have you known and liked in your lifetime?Are you willing to be responsible for their every utterance?Of course you would’nt,nor would any reasonable person expect you to be.This nonsense of ,one person, who knew another person ,who said some stuff,and because the one guy knew the other guy,well that suggests that they are indeed in agreement on the subject that the one guy was talking about.Thats fucking ridiculous!!!Its just more smoke being blown up your
MX,,how many people have you known and liked in your lifetime?Are you willing to be responsible for their every utterance?Of course you would’nt,nor would any reasonable person expect you to be.This nonsense of ,one person, who knew another person ,who said some stuff,and because the one guy knew the other guy,well that suggests that they are indeed in agreement on the subject that the one guy was talking about.Thats fucking ridiculous!!!Its just more smoke being blown up your ass in an effort to divert from any real issues.Really,its all about getting their particular assbag elected.
HATESPEAK?!?! What exactly are you referring to Dave? What exactly do you consider “Hatespeak”?
Is this another crazy jew, ADL inspired witch hunt against anyone who acknowledges Israels apartheid & ethnic cleansing campaign against non-jews in Palestine?
Which statement made by this preacher was false, let alone legally considered “hatespeak”.
If you believe we should “talk about the war, the economy, and the price of gas”, which war should we start with, the war on drugs, the war on terror hoax, the war on crime, the war on poverty, the illegal war on Iraq, the war on Afghanistan, the US funding of the war against non-jews in Palestine, the war in Darfur, …????????
whoops,sorry,for the double,i was going for launchcast,and …well…I missed
In addition to Dave’s rabid ranting and finger pointing, I’m really disappointed at the other disturbing comments that reek of racism by Alexatheist and God Free.
Their comments sound like something that would be preached at a Klan meeting, not on a so-called freethought blog.
Freethinkers should be aware of the injustices faced by people both past and present as well as the laws created to ensure the equality and protection of all people- things like the Declaration of Human Rights, the UN Charter, the Bill of Rights, US Constitution, Geneva Convention, etc.
The disgraceful simple minded fallacies expressed used to justify genocide, illegal war, racism, imperialism, and blind faith nationalism is something I’d expect from cult members, not self righteous atheists.
If McCain were elected we would be in Iran in 2009. Sorry, correction, poor Americans with limited opportunities would be fighting and dying in Iraq. We would be footing the multi-trillion dollar price tag while the captains of industry got even richer.
More Wars, Less Jobs
Assbag (thenks flashbazzzbo) for Pres
Iraq -> Iran
Just ask McCain.
And can the flag waving proud Americans here explain to me and others just how acknowledging, addressing and condemning the horrendous crimes and injustices committed by the US government, US military and US citizens is equated to “hating America”???
Since when is the USA defined by it’s crimes? Since when does anything but a cult-like, blind faith, head in the sand, nazi-like allegiance to the government make one unpatriotic?
I’m proud to support & defend the US Constitution & the rule of law, but ashamed and embarrassed to be an American because of the crimes my government & fellow citizens committ
and the level of stupidity & arrogance embraced by so many Americans.
And NO, I won’t leave, I choose to stay and fix things and fight fascism and stupidity.
any white who votes for obama is gullible.this is funny as hell watching white liberals squirm.black preachers have always preached hate whitey.obamas’ mother wouldn’t be allowed in that church which shows absolute lack of character on his part.
obama is trash turning his back on the family that raised him how dare he insult his grandmother when his black father didn’t lift a finger for him.
the preacher is from older gen.but obama has no excuse being biracial and younger why didn’t he find a multiracial church they do exist.
Secularman
we will never rest until the gov’t compensates us for our lost property in slaves.
Secularman,
I don’t know how anybody can twist thoughts as you have. I do not condone genocide, illegal war, racism, imperialism, and blind faith nationalism, nor did I say anything like that.
All I said, and will say again, is GET OVER IT, MOVE ON, FIX WHAT NEEDS FIXING NOW, AND QUIT HARPING ON SLAVERY. The past is OVER!