Senator Obama has distanced himself from his former preacher who said some hateful things about this country. As I read about his speech, I felt anger seethe from my pores.Nobody blames GW Bush for supporting Fallwell, or accused Guiliani of being antisemitic because Pat Robertson endorsed him (and Rudi accepted with glee). This is a ridiculous argument.Listen folks, Christian preachers spew hate ALL THE TIME, and nobody accuses the parishioners of agreeing with everything they say (because nobody believes their preachers anyway). I’m personally more of a Hillary guy, but I’m sure Hillary’s preacher has said things with which I would strongly disagree. Can’t stop hate mongers from mongering hate, and you can’t blame those within earshot.Let’s talk about the war, the economy, and the price of gas, please!
Phreeky needs to get used to saying it … President Obama.
Pheedy doesn’t talk much about jeebus freak Hagee who is one of John McCain’s spiritual leaders.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/48397/
Hagee wants to attack Iran to bring on the end of the world, and McCain agrees.
phreedm
I am often wrong about many things, but it seems like every time I decide to write Obama off he says something else that really grabs me. That speech is probably the ultimate example. I was already having serious doubts after reading a little article in our local alternative paper about his time in Chicago, and then the Wright controversy started spreading… so I tuned to his race speech feeling extremely cynical and put off. But the substance of that speech was completely unexpected and beyond brilliant. And it certainly wasn’t the easy way out. The righties can parse it and blame him for ‘outing his grandmother’ or take the Buchanan approach and turn white guilt into white resentment, but it just shows that they, that you, are not even attempting to listen. So oh well.
First of all, that’s not what he said. It’s been proven, despite what you’ve been told by Drudge or Newsmax, that he wasn’t present in the congregation during those recordings. He did however admit to hearing controversial statements from Wright, which he later explained had mostly to do with social issues. Is that bullshit? Perhaps. But I can relate to his refusal to completely disassociate himself with Wright or that church, because it’s very much like my own refusal to completely disassociate myself with many in the atheist community who often say things that I completely disagree with. Or better yet, how it’s impossible for me to completely disassociate myself from this country no matter how screwed up it gets. You have to work with the community you have. Isolation accomplishes nothing. That much I’ve learned.
So far, yes. I’ll let you know who I actually end up voting for come Nov 8th.
Oh, one more thing so it doesn’t seem like I’m ragging on the atheist community.
There are many things I’ve said on this blog and elsewhere that now make me cringe, and it is that increasing self-awareness that has recently kept me from judging my peers, both religious and nonreligious, too harshly. I guess there is something in the substance and pattern of Obama’s rhetoric that has led me to believe he has a similar self-awareness. Maybe I’m being misled, but it seems to me that such an attitude would be pretty hard to fake. Especially in a politician.
Comment from: phreedm
Here’s a prime example of why I no longer response to “tom” or his twin “What”…
…because you can’t tell that we’re actually two separate people, with two separate sets of ideas/ideals/mores/ethics, that might
not agree with absolutely everything?
…because you’re making up some kind of hypocritical lie to cover up your ignorance and incivility?
…because you know that there’s no way you will be able to respond in an adult manner to those who take the time to point out how very wrong you are?
I think right here is where I point out that this is yet another lie from a supposed christian who is also supposedly interested in being honest with its’ fellow humans. Phreakshow has never responded in a civil, rational manner to any of my comments here; has cherry-picked my comments to build up straw men (who are then attacked in its’ comments) and (unsuccessfully) try and knock them down; here, misrepresents both my comments and those of another regular commenter here; and, of course, continues to do so in the condescending, arrogant manner that it takes others to task for doing.
Pretty much SOP for the vast majority of christians I have been privileged (cough) to have to deal with.
Comment from: phreedm
and his response…he obviously doesn’t know what “just a few” means…
LOL. Phreeky is trying to convince himself that HE is not responding to ME.
Hey, twin!
What has phreakshow told us we’re thinking now?
Tom
I knew you were going to say that of course.
Tom
I’m sure we will disagree on much in the future. I trust that we will be rational when presenting our respective arguments when that time comes. Oh and for you Star Trek fans, rational does not mean dispassionate.
Live long and prosper. \\ //
\\//
What:
I agree that we will disagree.
I trust nothing and no one. I get pretty emotional sometimes in my responses. I agree that we’ve done relatively okay, so far.
It sounds like you might not be a Trekker (praise Koresh that you don’t sound like a Trekkie – and, if you’re neither, you won’t get the joke or know the difference between the two). Don’t worry – nobody’s perfect…
Peace and long life to you…
(: Tom
I love the Trek! Just think the whole Spock thing abused the word “logical”.
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