Yeah, those ads over there on the right. Kelly from RRS, Ben Stein’s stupidity movie, take this test to find Atheist singles.I hope they generate good money into American Atheists. But what do you think of them? Should we allow Christians to advertise, even if they offer more money (they do)?
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Phreedum, you are aware of how much I read so I almost fell of my chair laughing when you suggest that I need to educate myself on ID. I’m willing to bet that I have done my research compared to what you have done.
Really? then you support teaching kids about the reality of homosexuality in their health/sex education classes I presume.
Lots of people contact phreedm privately to convert to his mythology…
Sounds like the kid in Breakfast Club bragging about his “girlfriend in Canada…”
Priceless foolishness from phreedm…
Oh, well, no limits except buggery. LOL!
No limits?
There are 58 creation myths documented at Wikipedia’s Creation Myth page, and they don’t even mention the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
How can we not teach the controversy with respect to each and every one of these mostly mutually contradictory tales? It’s not fair and balanced to limit our teaching to just one of them. High school science students need all the facts before they can make up their minds, right?
Also, shouldn’t we be clear on whether Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 is the correct description? At least one of them is clearly wrong and must have been put in there by the Devil to confuse and sow doubts.
You know what would be really valuable? Hearing the testimony of all those people that have been converted by being exposed to Phreedm’s wisdom on these pages. They wouldn’t mind using their real names, either, just so cynical atheists wouldn’t suspect sock puppetry. Just think how inspiring it would be for those of us he hasn’t yet converted. Dave might have to devote a special thread to it, don’t cha think?
Mxracer, sex education at the high school level should indeed acknowledge how homosexual sex is practised, if only to give safe sex information. Your humour aside, we would no more expect live demonstrations of homo- or hetero- techniques.
Back on topic, I see we are now getting more than just the religious scammers looking for our ‘offerings’. You are now just a click away from learning which get rich quick schemes are actually legit, NOT.
The ‘Upright Ape’ book by an MD did make me click through to see if it weren’t a stealth Creationist tome. Seems like it is legit, though I am not sure how much respect he has in the community.
Being a medical doctor or an engineer seems to be quite common amongst creationists spouting anti-evolution tripe.
Anyways leave the ads. I have clicked on them before, just to get a cheap laugh and earn a few pennies for AA.
Whenever Phreeky opens his mouth all that ever out is “Why isn’t my imagined reality as valid as that proposed by science?” How many times can we answer the same question in its many recycled forms. Time to ban Phreeky?
I personally really find the “you’re a lying poopy head” comments particularly amusing and informative at the same time. A schoolyard mentality using the “is not!” “Is too” form of debate, while never actually addressing the issue but instead confusing it. The relevance of the public (not private) school system in DC in 1940 to the situation of today has been stated but not proven, and looks like yet another red herring to throw the discussion off topic.
Instead of telling everyone absolutely zero about how ID has any credible scientific evidence behind it (any familiar with the discussion want to wager whether they try to use Behe or Dembski as their ‘expert’ if they even get to that phase?), perhaps it would be better to enlighten the audience with some actual, you know, facts, that would show some sort of scientific theory involved. Enough perhaps to devote maybe as much as a month of one class for one school year to study it, as opposed to demanding equal time with well-established scientific theories that take careers to explore. It seems that is too much of a challenge for those who insist that atheists take their propaganda as seriously as they take their money. Besides not being to able to answer the majority of questions, or even respond to the multitude of times they are shown to be factually incorrect in their statements, I mean…
Comment from: alexatheist
Of course…ALL facts about it. Not the politically correct versions…
Hey “What”…there’s hope for you after all…
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23271578-1702,00.html
Of course…ALL facts about it. Not the politically correct versions…
But you said you want NO limits on education so that would mean the inclusion of the “politically correct versions” of gay people’s lives as you call it (whatever that means).
So which creation myths do you propose we teachin our public schools? Perhaps we can start with the Australian aboriginal dreamtime myths of rainbow serpents and eventually get around to the abrahamic myths of eden and adam and eve. After all we must present all sides in order to be balanced. I’m sure the kids who are fans of Harry Potter will love learning witchcraft in their chemistry classrooms as an alternative to accepted science.
Alex,
Creation? How about the creation myth that you believe in? After all…life was created somehow meaning we ALL believe in some form of “creation”.
Now…would you deny these writings to be studied in a classroom?
http://www.creationism.org/symposium/symp4no4.htm
I believe that science will one day answer the biochemical process which brought about life but this is very different from claiming that god magically did it. Until science has an answer it is enough for me to say that we just don’t know.
Man, does this dolt have a learning disorder or what? How many times do we have to tell this pinhead that we don’t believe. He has been spewing his drivel here for a long time (years?) and he still does not get it? No beliefs pinhead. How can we word it so that even an evangelical could understand? I guess we have to speak in tongues. jhsadkk likhd lyg koerm.
The Christian advertisements don’t bother me, either. I some times click on them just for fun and a good laugh and also to “know my enemy”. (I also listen to Christian radio for the same purposes.) Does clicking these ads really make money for American Atheists? If so, I will click them more often. Once the Christian radio station really offended me by saying that a theory is only a fairy tale and that thus biblical creationism is the truth. Speaking of Christian morality– I thought false teaching was immoral. I look forward to the day when the Abrahamic religions go the way of Greek and Roman mythology.
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phreedm,
There would be no point. That article asks plenty of questions but provides no answers and makes no attempt to show that the author actually understands the subject. He attacks Darwin’s texts directly, even though they’re scientifically ancient and primitive, instead of attacking the most recent science. Further, a number of the “inconsistencies” that the author mentions are easily explained by Evolution, but the author either fails to realize this or is too caught up with feeling incredulous to point out the faults of his own thinking.
This author is about as good at teaching evolution as I would be at teaching about Russian history. Sure, I’ve heard of Russia and I know who Peter the Great was, but everything else would be disingenuous guesswork.
If you want to teach your kids crap-science, go ahead. But don’t come crying to us when they’re stuck flipping burgers.
Now…would you deny these writings to be studied in a classroom?
http://www.creationism.org/symposium/symp4no4.htm
In a science classroom, most certainly. They might be appropriate in a class studying how religion tries to distort the truth and implant their fantasies into the curriculum as fact, but sadly almost nowhere else.
They conflate scientific facts and relglious faith, and try and find a way to reverse engineer their religious writings so that they can be used to distort the scientific facts regarding instinct.
There is no there to study. Lots of christianist propaganda to fill little minds up with; not so much on using the scientific method in a classroom to figure out what it’s all about.
alatham – great minds think alike…
Gotta say, I do hate seeing Ann Coulter’s hideous face pop up. Can you at least put in a “Coulter filter” of some kind?
I second that motion!
I now think cliff ghast everytime I see Coulter’s cachectic mug. Those of you that have Read the Golden Compass series might appreciate the reference.
I say take their money. They don’t have a problem taking it from other people. Besides, there’s always Firefox with the Ad Block Plus ad on (so honestly, I don’t see these ads that you’re talking about).
Isn’t atomictesting some kind of software wizard? Maybe he can develop the Coulter Filter. AT?