Leesburg, VA has banned the American Library Association’s number one banned book for 2006. That’s right, the story of a gay family of penquins in the Central Park Zoo in NYC. So we got to have a damn constitutional amendment to stop gay penquins from destroying our way of life? If two damn penquins can destroy our entire way of life, I say we deserve to be destroyed. I know, let’s just have those two penquins destroy Leesburg.I really wish people would stop listening to the histrionics of televangelists who continually misinterpret the OT. If anyone really wants to understand the OT, then go ask a Rabbi, not a Southern Baptist.Come on, when God told the Hebrew tribes they had to marry women, well that was back in the Bronze Age. I mean, most men wanted to marry their camels. Young men were constantly bringing to the tent some cute hump and saying: “Mom, she has your eyes, doesn’t she?” So they really needed a religious tenet to tell them to reproduce with women and not the livestock. Even though the livestock were more plentiful and a hell of a lot easier to get into bed, if you know what I mean. Today, we don’t have exactly that much livestock around anymore in our urban world so I doubt that all of us still need to have a religious tenet to tell us to marry women. But when I look at our current leadership in Washington, I am not so certain that just maybe the GOP, Southern Baptists, and most of those in the Bible Belt just might need a constitutional amendment, in addition to a religious tenet, telling them they can only wed women. I mean do they really look smart enough to figure that out on their own? Really?Peter Nuhn
phreedm,
And no bill becomes law until the president signs it, with the exception of a veto override.
BTW, wasn’t there a Republican congress during most of that time???
phreedm,
BTW, did you know that Ronnie Ray-Gun met with Gorbachev on numerous occasions. DURING THE COLD WAR WITH THE SOVIET UNION!!!
Now, why do you suppose he did that?
Comment from: phreedm [Member]
Comment from: (: tom
I would suggest that you focus on your own behavior until you can manage to avoid doing the things you fault others for doing.br />
There’s difference between debating and life’s obsessions…
Yes, there is a difference. Too bad you never debate around here, and instead obsess over your pagan occult supaerstitions while throwing the comments off-topic.
BTW…congrats on figuring out th “italics”….
Congrats right back at ya for completely ignoring that whole ‘debate’ thing and continuing your practice of catapulting Republican’t propaganda (there are all sorts of doubts about the Republican’t lie that reducing taxes increases government revenue amongst those who engage in rational thought), and completely ignoring that whole spelling and grammar thing while responding.
I couldn’t create a better poster boy for religious insanity than you, phreaky. I’ve already had a couple of christians renounce their superstitious propaganda after getting them to read a few of your screeds. So I guess you should also be congratulated for helping other who have shared your delusional mindset realize just how loony their belief system is.
Keep up the religious insanity, er, good work!
Phreedm,
Would you please explain this statement, Phreedm?
Don’t make grand statements without explaining them. The phrases “it is clear that” and “there is no doubt” tend to trigger people’s skepticism (mine included), you have to follow those statements with a solid explanation.
I’m not trying to be snarky here, I really would like to hear your explanation.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again- trying to have an intellectual debate with phreedumb is like administering medicine to the dead.
Oh, and Ren, if I remember correctly, didn’t Clinton leave office with a surplus, then the Idiot pResident ran up this giant debt? You mentioned earlier that Clinton left with a $4.5 trillion debt, if I read correctly.
Oh, yeah – as for the italics thing: it looks to me as though the close bold html tag that I am used to using does not work here.
So, congrats again to phreakshow. You’ve just shown how little you know about things like html (and how it works around here), and sent off another gratuitous insult instead of, you know, rationally debating the subject at hand, and perhaps even pointing out the error of my ways.
Comment from: Ren
Hmmm…Ren, can you get past your anger?
Anyway, huge difference and I’m surprised you compare the two…
Reagan WAS president representing the American people in full view of the world…
You’re blind if you don’t understand why the Obama and Clinton camps did this in secret…
I’m sure you can connect the dots but if not I’ll be glad to explain it to you…or do you need to answer a question with a question….again?
And yes, you’re about to see the fruit of Reagan’s vision for missle defense this week…
Comment from: Ren
Yep…just as they were in control of congress for most of Clinton’s administration…
Comment from: alatham
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/index.cfm
Not only penguins are gay:
http://tinyurl.com/yudg5q
Thank you.
So federal income has increased, presumably because of tax cuts mostly for high-income households. But it hasn’t caught up with the increase in federal spending, nor has it actually improved economic stability.
These tax cuts may give people a bit more money in the short term, but they’ve also helped to increase our deficit.
If you want to help the economy in the long term, cut taxes for people who actually spend money: lower income households.
Bush could have done a much better job, but he choose the financial security of the rich over the poor.
Give money to rich people, it sits in a savings account (maybe even one that isn’t in the US). Give money to less rich people and the money goes right back into the economy.
Phreedm,
It’s interesting that that site doesn’t have a chart showing the after-tax income for each tax bracket. That would tell you more about how well the economy is doing than any of the charts they do provide.
What an idiot. Phreeky doesn’t even understand the difference between debt and deficit. Home-schooled no doubt.
So federal income has increased, presumably because of tax cuts mostly for high-income households. But it hasn’t caught up with the increase in federal spending, nor has it actually improved economic stability.
I wouldn’t presume that at all – I would think federal tax revenues have increased because the number of taxpayers has gone up, not that tax cuts (the majority of which are extremely skewed towards the super-rich) have increased federal revenues. Which is what naturally happens as the population (especially the tax-paying portion thereof) increases.
I’m relatively certain that the extremely conservative Heritage foundation would be somewhat biased in their reporting of this sort of thing. And, funny – I couldn’t find any sort of statistics there that would let me determine if the reason that tax revenues have gone up is that there are more people paying taxes. Nor any sort of disclaimer by the troll that, yet again, throws the comments thread off-topic with Republican’t propaganda points, that the ‘evidence’ that ‘proves’ that tax cuts increase government revenues is coming from an idealogically conservative site with a vested interest in catapulting the Republican’t propaganda point that tax cuts increase government revenues.
Why does Phreeky want to stay in Iraq? Clearly he and his xian brethren have not had their blood lust quenched yet but the real reason is that Phreeky-kind understand that our departure from Iraq will take the last breath from the religious rights political machine. Our eminent 2009 departure from Iraq will underscore in the boldest terms the disasters that await the US when the religious right wields influence.
Comment from: alatham
Don’t fall for the class warfare tactic…
Of course it has…not only was the US in a recession but we had 9/11 which is estimated to have taken
90 billion out of the economy. The stock market was at 7800.
We have had tremendous growth since 2002 with the market topping out at 14,000! Sure sounds stable to me…
Tax cuts do not increase a deficit…spending does.
Another myth. We all spend money. And I’ve never been hired by a poor person. Once again designed as class warfare allowing the government to look like the white knight as they redistribute wealth…
Tom…with your rants you prove your lack of understanding of economics and your inability to see past your ideology…
There is some truth to the idea that more people are working and thereforer paying more taxes…
But that’s not what’s caused the federal revenue to climb…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117867077879196610.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
I’m sure you’ll find some off the wall reason why the WSJ article is invalid as well…
Huge surplus under Clinton -> huge deficit under BushCo. Recession deepening by the day due to BushCo’s lack of oversight of the securities industry. Out of control spending on a war that will only end up damaging our global economic standing. Yet Phreeky thinks he has grip on economics. No other way to say it – Phreeky is an idiot.
Phreedm,
Do the decline in value of the US dollar, the decline in the job market, the increase in deficit, and the dismal state of the home market help your case that the US has left it’s recession?
You’re right about one thing though, everyone does spend money when they have it, even the rich. The rich (and corporations) are just more likely to spend it overseas.
phreedm,
Do you want the Reader’s Digest condensed version answer to that question, or the Encarta unabridged encyclopedia version?
Here, let me make it easy on you: No. If I could, I wouldn’t be F’ed up in the head, requiring daily medication, now would I?
Oops. There I go again; answering a question with a question. My bad.
If you think I am angry about Reagan, I want to make it known publicly that, had I been old enough at the time, I would have voted for Reagan, twice. I joined the army under Reagan. I absolutly hated the army during the Clinton years. Couldn’t stand Clinton, though I now look back fondly over the ’90s, because they were (compared to now) good times.
I caucused for Obama and will be voting for him, or the Libertarian candidate if he gets screwed out of the nomination, in November. I refuse to vote for Clinton, and as far as I am concerned, John McCain is not a war hero because he survived six years in a POW camp. However, he is a coward for his actions aboard the USS Forrestal, when he left his Plane Captain to die in a pool of burning fuel, while he ran to jump over the side of the flight deck and onto the catwalk, as young sailors rushed headlong into an inferno with nothing more than fire extinguishers, as 500 lb bombs were exloding all around. Some hero!
Boise Jim,
Let’s not forget that most of that $4.5 trillion deficit was run up under Reagan.
One last thing. I have been hearing a lot about how Clinton cut our Army by so many hundreds of thousands of troops and that is what has left our military in such bad shape. I know, it certainly couldn’t have anything to do with Iraq. But anyhow, the drawdown of troops began under Bush 41. I was in a Cavalry unit that was deactivating when Iraq invaded Kuwait on 2 Aug ’90. I had to volunteer to join another unit to go, because the people in MY unit were cleaning and turning in equipment because we were shutting down. It was called the Peace Dividend, and it was because the Cold War had ended, not because we got a Democrat in the Whitehouse. The fact the drawdown continued under Clinton is a non-sequiter.
My wife and I have been in saving mode since 2004. Like many in our tax bracket we do not spend when we have it. If one has the luxury of choosing when to spend there are good times to spend and bad times to spend. 2004-2008 was a bad bad time to spend. Homes, cars, vacations purchased in 2004-2008 will be much regretted in 2009.
Phreeky really loves that the class warfare mantra. He expects Americans to put aside the fact that the middle class has been shrinking rapidly these past 30 years due to the class warfare he would like us to overlook. Good luck with that Phreek.
Or that they are indicative of a “stable” US economy?
Ren
McCain would have been dead if it were not for the case that his father was an admiral. Hero or not that son-of-privilege status kept him alive.
Comment from: alatham
It would appear the dollars devaluation is by design…
I’m not sure what you’re talking about…unemployment is just about as low as it can go. Almost a full point less then it was in the 90′s…
While the dollar amount is higher then past deficits as a percentage of GDP it’s far less. And as I’ve stated before, deficits are not necessarily bad…
There is no doubt that housing is overpriced, but it’s merely going through an anticipated cycle as everything does in economies…again politicians are making hay out of this for their own political gains…
Are you suggesting America has been in a recession for the past 8 years?
Another myth..
Contrary to conventional U.S. beliefs, the research found that American manufacturing workers weren’t the biggest losers. The U.S. lost about two million manufacturing jobs in the 1995-2002 period, an 11% drop. But Brazil had a 20% decline. Japan’s factory work force shed 16% of its jobs, while China’s was down 15%.
http://www.bchinab.com/eng_press_WSJ102803.htm
What…
For argument sake, let’s say the middle class is shrinking…
What would be your solution?
phreedm,
Are you aware that shortly after Bush took office, the way unemployment is calculated was changed?
It used to be that if someone below the retirement age lost their job, they were considered unemployed until they found a new job. Today, when someone falls off the other end of the unemployment rolls, they are no longer considered unemployed, even if they never found a job.
Recently, there was a net monthly LOSS of jobs, and at the same time, the unemployment numbers dropped slightly. Now tell me there isn’t something wrong with that picture?
Damn! There I go with another one of those questions.
Comment from: Ren
Well now I know why you becamse so defensive…
Obama has absolutely no experience…
Without a doubt this is the worst choice for president that I have ever seen…on both sides…
Hiliary and Bill will destroy the party before they let someone rob them of their destiny…
If she steals the delagates at the convention the riots of the 60′s will look like a picnic…
Don’t forget those 1200 FBI files…
Phreeky has got to be the most ill-informed person on the planet. The moron thinks that the housing bubble and its fallout is part of some normal economic “cycle”. Can’t say it enough. What an idiot!
And then the idiot says this.
While the rest of the world sees the inevitable economic train wreck unfolding Phreeky prefers to pretend it isn’t happening. Of course this is to be expected given the fantasy world in which the dolt lives.
What…ignoring my question?
Come now…you’re full of insults and void of facts…
How would you protect the middle class?
Phreedm,
Can you explain this?
You use the term “far less” but that’s a gross overstatement at best, flat out lie at worst. As a percentage of GPD, we’re doing just as bad as the Reagan and Bush Sr eras. Clinton is the clear winner in this race.
Read the explanation of the second graph:
http://tinyurl.com/26x2wh
You stated it, but you didn’t explain why you believe this. You just made some bizarre allusion to the grocery store as if it were supposed to explain everything.
If you want to suggest that the common economic understanding that deficits curb economic growth, go ahead. But provide some reasoning to go along with it.
Sorry, my original quote should have read “avoided its recession.” I believe Allan Greenspan when he says we’ve got a good chance of heading into one soon.
Re: manufacturing jobs. So what? We’ve made big strides in manufacturing technology, it’s no wonder that the demand for manufacturing jobs is down since so much manufacturing is automated now. Your article has nothing useful to say on the topic of the job market in general, just a narrow corner of it.
Even then, you’ve ignored that Spain, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Mexico do a lot of manufacturing for the USA and all of them had a net gain of manufacturing jobs. I don’t know if Canada does, I was surprised to see that they’ve gained so much.
You effectively ignored my comment about the rich spending overseas. Were you thinking nobody would notice?