We have two reports from the Baptists themselves about their own candidate, Mike Huckabee. The Mainstream Baptist points out a lie made by presidential nominee Huckabee at the Jan. 10, 2008 Faux News Republican Debate. He is asked about his endorsement of the SBC position that wives are to be subservient to their husbands. He stated during the debate that the bible says both parties in a marriage are to serve each other. This is decidedly not the policy he endorsed back in 1999, when the conservative Baptists kicked out more moderate Baptists who rejected the more conservative policy.Now the hypocrisy part of our story is from the Baptist Press article linked to in the title to this posting. It contains a statement from “Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said in a Jan. 9 Baptist Press column that Huckabee should not be asked such questions because the U.S. Constitution says “no religious test shall ever be required” for public office.”Wow, after telling us for the past several decades to vote based on the religious test of only voting for conservative religious SBC candidates, such as George the first and George the second and the holy of all Holies, the Reagan; now the Baptists are telling us not to employ a religious test for their candidate who intentionally lies about his past religious statements.Peter Nuhn
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I would add to heathenz comments on the origin of the new testament to point out that the new testament was based on thousands of manuscripts written in GREEK. None of them were in hebrew, the language of the disciples and of jesus.
From wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
The Old Testament autographs were written primarily in Hebrew (except for Daniel, which was written in Aramaic ? a cousin to Hebrew). The New Testament autographs were written in Koine Greek. In order for the Word of God to spread across the globe, to reach people of different languages and carry on through time, it became necessary for the autographs to be copied by scribes, and translated into other languages. These scribes hand copied the original writings onto papyrus and parchment manuscripts. In fact, the word manuscript means ?hand copy.? There are many early manuscripts in existence today. The main concern with the copying and translation process was maintaining accuracy. Many of us will remember the children?s game of ?Telephone?, and recall how, after several transmissions, there were inaccuracies from what was originally spoken. That is true even with the biblical manuscripts. Among the multitude of manuscripts, we find one to two percent of the Bible has relevant variations. However, these variations do not alter the main messages in the Word of God. God promised His Word would be preserved. Jesus said ?The scripture cannot be broken? (John 10:35). He also said, ?heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away? (Matthew 24:35). Peter stated that the living and abiding word of God is imperishable (1 Peter 1:23). Isaiah said that ?The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever? (Isaiah 40:8). This great promise of God stands fulfilled. After twenty centuries of copying and translating, the key points of the Word of God stand as they always have.
Then by your own admission the new testament is not the word of god.
-god to jesus
-jesus to disciples
-disciples AFTER jesus’ death writing their memories
-greek translation thousands of manuscripts and oral stories from hebrew to greek
-100’s of years of changes and translations
All of this with no evidence of the disciples or jesus even existing.
What does that leave you with? A unprovable book with no solid basis.
Debbie, Did you cut and paste the paragraph concerning old testament autographs? It looks awfully familiar. If so, perhaps you’d attribute it rather than passing it as your own.
Any idea of what qualifies as a manuscript in this context? Generally they are scraps containing a few words up to a paragraph or so. There are only three fairly complete manuscripts dated prior to 1000 CE and two of these are around 800 CE.
There were many concerns with copying and translation, not the least of which was to control the dogma, and use the text to support religious and secular political ambitions. Biblical changes are alleged to have occurred many times for these reasons.
My suggestion to you is to read Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman. He is a biblical scholar that tells a very revealing tale.
My point in talking about the “telephone” game was to show that over the test of time few words may have changed to go along with the culture but the facts stood the test of time, because it is God’s inspiration.
Debbie,
If the words are changed at all the precision of the message is changed regardless of the assumed divinity of the author.
If the words are changed enough the whole message is changed.
Asserting “god’s inspiration” as an argument for the maintenance of the message is circular logic.
What are you basing this assertion on? There are thousands of deities recorded through the writings of humans. Are they all true simply because the writings exist?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Imagine yourself sitting down and writing a deity book right now. Tell some stories, use current historical events and people as your setting, throw in some poems, then put in a box and bury it in your yard.
Now fast forward 2000 years and imagine someone digging it up. See how easy that is? Just look at the mormon church, do you believe joseph smith found the truth hidden in his yard in new york or do you think he made it up? Ask yourself WHY he made it up and you will see why the church “invented” xianity.
I will share my own thoughts about the WHYS of xianity besides the obvious answer: to gain money and power.
The old testament is written for JEWS only and claims an almighty god favors their tribe at the detriment of ever one else on the planet. They realized this religion could not be spread throughout the world to all peoples because it basically says they are cursed and god only loves jews, not much of a selling point is it? So they invented xianity a much more universal message to gather the masses.
You wouldn’t even know about xianity if someone didn’t teach you. That alone proves the god you believe isn’t true. It relies on humans to explain itself. If it was all powerful why wouldn’t it contact each human individually? BECAUSE IT’S NOT REAL.