We have two reports from the Baptists themselves about their own candidate, Mike Huckabee. The Mainstream Baptist points out a lie made by presidential nominee Huckabee at the Jan. 10, 2008 Faux News Republican Debate. He is asked about his endorsement of the SBC position that wives are to be subservient to their husbands. He stated during the debate that the bible says both parties in a marriage are to serve each other. This is decidedly not the policy he endorsed back in 1999, when the conservative Baptists kicked out more moderate Baptists who rejected the more conservative policy.Now the hypocrisy part of our story is from the Baptist Press article linked to in the title to this posting. It contains a statement from “Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said in a Jan. 9 Baptist Press column that Huckabee should not be asked such questions because the U.S. Constitution says “no religious test shall ever be required” for public office.”Wow, after telling us for the past several decades to vote based on the religious test of only voting for conservative religious SBC candidates, such as George the first and George the second and the holy of all Holies, the Reagan; now the Baptists are telling us not to employ a religious test for their candidate who intentionally lies about his past religious statements.Peter Nuhn
[[[[she conspired with Aaron against Moses, resulting in her being struck with leprosy]]]]
This is wrong. The cause does not equal the effect in this case.
I’m reading from the New American Standard version:
Numbers 12:6
“He said,
Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.
I shall speak with him in a dream.
Not so, with My servant Moses,
He is faithful in all My household;
With him I speak mouth to mouth,
Even openly, and not in dark sayings,
And he beholds the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant, against Moses?”
Unless you’re saying her ‘sin’ was being presumptuous, it seems quite clear to me the leprosy was a direct result of her speaking against moses.
the buck stops at huck.so what if huckabee is a little shady he is not mormon thats important.furthermore he is a man of god just ask him he will tell you so.we are going to take back america for christ.mushroom clouds for jesus baby!it is destiny that all the jews go to israel even if they don’t want to because that is where they must accept jesus or pay the price.open your eyes open your hearts open your wallets. don’t be fooled, there is a god want proof you stiff necked atheists his picture is on the dollar bill above the words in god we trust.the good book is right atheists are fools.
[[[[she conspired with Aaron against Moses, resulting in her being struck with leprosy]]]]
I’d sue any doctor that uses this line of reasoning for malpractice.
Lacy,
My guess is this stems from a debunked smear email campaign currently circulating. It was created by Fox News and Insight Magazine.
Amazing the crap people will believe.
That’s not a religious test. Huckabee can always refuse to answer the question. He can say his personal beliefs are private and would not have an effect on his presidency. But, he chooses not to in order to woo the evangelicals. Sorry Baptists, can’t have it both ways. You’ve got some explaining to do.
I really hope McCain wins the nomination instead of these other phonies. I don’t agree with his policies but it’s just amazing to me how the Republicans would pass up a war hero with credibility for these other imbeciles.
Pha
I can’t, with clear conscience, condone his age.
Here’s an interesting Gospel (lol):
http://www.answers.com/topic/gospel-of-barnabas
All these gospels are totally funny…. Gospel of the Egyptians:
Salome? “How long shall death prevail?”
Jesus’- “As long as women bear children”
(I don’t think Jesus was smart, or dumb enough to say something like that, but apparently he did)
From the Gospel of Thomas:
“114. Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females are not worthy of life.” Jesus said, “Look I shall guide her to make her male so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
lol!
quantum,
Any woman who is an xian should have her head examined.
So if you are female but don’t make yourself “male” you won’t get into heaven?
So doesn’t that mean NO FEMALE CHILDREN ever go to heaven? And obviously very few adult females are there either.
Good times.
I have to agree with Karen. History is filled with examples of fascism and we don’t need to see it repeated just to prove a point.
It’s a little like handing your kid a loaded gun and telling them to play Russian Roulette to prove to them how stupid it is.
dawnisis,
I would like you to tell me what book of the Bible, what chapter and what verse you are getting that quote because I read the Bible every day and I have never seen that quote that female needs to become Male to enter the kingdom of Heaven. The fact is that the only way you can get to Heaven whether you are female or male is come to Jesus and ask him to forgive your sins and make him your Lord a Savior. So if you can show me exactly where in the Bible so I can see it for myself.
debbie,
It is the gospel of thomas which i understand is not used by protestants?
Different bibles include/exclude different things depending on their whim. There is no complete bible.
debbie,
Probably easiest if you cut this and do a google search:
Make Mary leave us, for females are not worthy of life
I am not an expert on xian sects so I have no idea what gospels your particular branch excepts or why they include/exclude certain gospels.
The Gospel according to Thomas is one of the gospels found at Nag Hammadi in the 1940s. I seriously doubt if any mainstream xian sect considers it a part of their canonical bible.
I understand now, the book of Thomas is not a part of the true Bible. The true Bible which is the Word of God only include the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The book of Thomas was written some years later by the Catholic Church but that Book is not a revelation from God like the gospels I mentioned.
heatheNZ,
Yeah, I was just reading about the gospel of thomas it’s on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas
It is accepted by evangelicals and fundamentalists.
Well debbie the evangelicals and fundies would disagree with you
Perhaps you should explain to them that they aren’t true xians only what you believe is the truth LOL.
debbie
What, I wonder would be the “true bible”? Are you familiar with the chequered and fractured history of your esteemed tome?
You might like to check the dates upon which you are basing your life decisions. The biblical canon was not decided until the fourth century CE. The gospel of Thomas is dated back to the end of the second century CE.
There were many many gospels along with MML&J vying for inclusion in the biblical canon. A gathering on MEN claiming divine guidance decided what went in and what did not. Thomas didn’t make the cut. Guess what happened to all the pretenders? Preserved for history? Think again. All attempts were made to eradicate such (latter day) heresy from the face of the earth.
On the whims of such power grabbing associations do you base you precious belief system and live your life. This alone should give you pause for reflection.
I would add to heathenz comments on the origin of the new testament to point out that the new testament was based on thousands of manuscripts written in GREEK. None of them were in hebrew, the language of the disciples and of jesus.
From wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
The Old Testament autographs were written primarily in Hebrew (except for Daniel, which was written in Aramaic ? a cousin to Hebrew). The New Testament autographs were written in Koine Greek. In order for the Word of God to spread across the globe, to reach people of different languages and carry on through time, it became necessary for the autographs to be copied by scribes, and translated into other languages. These scribes hand copied the original writings onto papyrus and parchment manuscripts. In fact, the word manuscript means ?hand copy.? There are many early manuscripts in existence today. The main concern with the copying and translation process was maintaining accuracy. Many of us will remember the children?s game of ?Telephone?, and recall how, after several transmissions, there were inaccuracies from what was originally spoken. That is true even with the biblical manuscripts. Among the multitude of manuscripts, we find one to two percent of the Bible has relevant variations. However, these variations do not alter the main messages in the Word of God. God promised His Word would be preserved. Jesus said ?The scripture cannot be broken? (John 10:35). He also said, ?heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away? (Matthew 24:35). Peter stated that the living and abiding word of God is imperishable (1 Peter 1:23). Isaiah said that ?The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever? (Isaiah 40:8). This great promise of God stands fulfilled. After twenty centuries of copying and translating, the key points of the Word of God stand as they always have.
Then by your own admission the new testament is not the word of god.
-god to jesus
-jesus to disciples
-disciples AFTER jesus’ death writing their memories
-greek translation thousands of manuscripts and oral stories from hebrew to greek
-100′s of years of changes and translations
All of this with no evidence of the disciples or jesus even existing.
What does that leave you with? A unprovable book with no solid basis.
Debbie, Did you cut and paste the paragraph concerning old testament autographs? It looks awfully familiar. If so, perhaps you’d attribute it rather than passing it as your own.
Any idea of what qualifies as a manuscript in this context? Generally they are scraps containing a few words up to a paragraph or so. There are only three fairly complete manuscripts dated prior to 1000 CE and two of these are around 800 CE.
There were many concerns with copying and translation, not the least of which was to control the dogma, and use the text to support religious and secular political ambitions. Biblical changes are alleged to have occurred many times for these reasons.
My suggestion to you is to read Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman. He is a biblical scholar that tells a very revealing tale.
My point in talking about the “telephone” game was to show that over the test of time few words may have changed to go along with the culture but the facts stood the test of time, because it is God’s inspiration.
Debbie,
If the words are changed at all the precision of the message is changed regardless of the assumed divinity of the author.
If the words are changed enough the whole message is changed.
Asserting “god’s inspiration” as an argument for the maintenance of the message is circular logic.
What are you basing this assertion on? There are thousands of deities recorded through the writings of humans. Are they all true simply because the writings exist?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Imagine yourself sitting down and writing a deity book right now. Tell some stories, use current historical events and people as your setting, throw in some poems, then put in a box and bury it in your yard.
Now fast forward 2000 years and imagine someone digging it up. See how easy that is? Just look at the mormon church, do you believe joseph smith found the truth hidden in his yard in new york or do you think he made it up? Ask yourself WHY he made it up and you will see why the church “invented” xianity.
I will share my own thoughts about the WHYS of xianity besides the obvious answer: to gain money and power.
The old testament is written for JEWS only and claims an almighty god favors their tribe at the detriment of ever one else on the planet. They realized this religion could not be spread throughout the world to all peoples because it basically says they are cursed and god only loves jews, not much of a selling point is it? So they invented xianity a much more universal message to gather the masses.
You wouldn’t even know about xianity if someone didn’t teach you. That alone proves the god you believe isn’t true. It relies on humans to explain itself. If it was all powerful why wouldn’t it contact each human individually? BECAUSE IT’S NOT REAL.