Comments on: Atheist sues over secular rights http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights A Blog of Atheist Thought Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:58:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: GodlessInNV http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74616 GodlessInNV Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74616 There is probably no better way to assure that your child remains an atheist than to send him or her to a Catholic school. Worked for me! I just wish I would have had an atheist role model to help me make better sense of everything I was being told and to give me the tools I needed to assert my point of view. I don't think the father in this case should concede and allow his kid to attend a school he feels is harmful--just as the mother should not concede and allow her son to be taken out of a school that she feels is best for him. This kid is lucky that he'll have exposure to both worlds--he'll be less likely to become a theist. There is probably no better way to assure that your child remains an atheist than to send him or her to a Catholic school. Worked for me! I just wish I would have had an atheist role model to help me make better sense of everything I was being told and to give me the tools I needed to assert my point of view. I don’t think the father in this case should concede and allow his kid to attend a school he feels is harmful–just as the mother should not concede and allow her son to be taken out of a school that she feels is best for him. This kid is lucky that he’ll have exposure to both worlds–he’ll be less likely to become a theist.

]]> By: jeff_r http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74617 jeff_r Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74617 Is Edwin Kagin working on this on his own or as legal director for AA? I hope it's for former.<br /> <br /> This sounds like a run of the mill domestic dispute that ought to be worked out between the parents and the family courts (if necessary). Is Edwin Kagin working on this on his own or as legal director for AA? I hope it’s for former.

This sounds like a run of the mill domestic dispute that ought to be worked out between the parents and the family courts (if necessary).

]]> By: karen http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74618 karen Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74618 Uhhh...the kid's going to be in high school. What does HE want to do? I hope Mom and Dad aren't playing "Pull the Kid" in a power struggle as a result of the divorce. <br /> <br /> I understand Dad's resistance to Catholic school, but I'd respect it more if there was any mention of his son's wishes- the kid's old enough to make an informed choice. <br /> <br /> Oh, and Dad, another reason to avoid catholic school--catholic girls are easy. You might be a grandpa before graduation! ;) Uhhh…the kid’s going to be in high school. What does HE want to do? I hope Mom and Dad aren’t playing “Pull the Kid” in a power struggle as a result of the divorce.

I understand Dad’s resistance to Catholic school, but I’d respect it more if there was any mention of his son’s wishes- the kid’s old enough to make an informed choice.

Oh, and Dad, another reason to avoid catholic school–catholic girls are easy. You might be a grandpa before graduation! ;)

]]> By: thx1138 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74619 thx1138 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74619 Yes, I am more interested in what the kid wants. He's old enough to decide. This is an issue only in that it's an ugly tug-of-war between two selfish parents. Yes, I am more interested in what the kid wants. He’s old enough to decide. This is an issue only in that it’s an ugly tug-of-war between two selfish parents.

]]> By: Physics101 http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74620 Physics101 Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74620 The child is old enough to decide, as I suspect the judge will rule. Generally any minor 14 years of age or older is granted considerable influence on the court in these matters. The child is old enough to decide, as I suspect the judge will rule. Generally any minor 14 years of age or older is granted considerable influence on the court in these matters.

]]> By: charlie http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74624 charlie Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74624 This is interesting, I just listen to the Fox Noise resident priest comment on the role of faith and politics.....which there should be no role...but anyways....<br /> <br /> he said our rights in this country are god given....<br /> <br /> hmmmmm...and all this time I thought they were document given....you know The Constitution and amendments of the United States document.....<br /> <br /> not only did theologians sleep through science class...but history class as well....<br /> <br /> whats really really interesting is that Fox News allows these absurdities to happen....Fox News....key word is News....licensed and regulated by the government.....thats the group that should be asking Fox News why they are posting erroneous information....like this priest. which is a fox news contributor, is allowed to say that our rights come from god....no they dont....they come from the bill of rights....<br /> <br /> This is a great example of why to encourage the kid not to go to a Catholic School....<br /> <br /> the decision should be his though This is interesting, I just listen to the Fox Noise resident priest comment on the role of faith and politics…..which there should be no role…but anyways….

he said our rights in this country are god given….

hmmmmm…and all this time I thought they were document given….you know The Constitution and amendments of the United States document…..

not only did theologians sleep through science class…but history class as well….

whats really really interesting is that Fox News allows these absurdities to happen….Fox News….key word is News….licensed and regulated by the government…..thats the group that should be asking Fox News why they are posting erroneous information….like this priest. which is a fox news contributor, is allowed to say that our rights come from god….no they dont….they come from the bill of rights….

This is a great example of why to encourage the kid not to go to a Catholic School….

the decision should be his though

]]> By: Jack the Toad http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74629 Jack the Toad Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74629 Charlie, this is the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, it is the foundation that justifies the constitution. As you can see, God is right there and His will is the reason for everything that follows.<br /> <br /> When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.<br /> <br /> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends...<br /> <br /> Hey, no need to thank me brah, just happy to stop ignorance when ever I can. Charlie, this is the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, it is the foundation that justifies the constitution. As you can see, God is right there and His will is the reason for everything that follows.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends…

Hey, no need to thank me brah, just happy to stop ignorance when ever I can.

]]> By: dawnisis http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74630 dawnisis Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74630 jack,<br /> <br /> The declaration makes no mention of xianity and i would point out the obvious it could say jesus or it could say lord or it could mention the bible but it doesn't.<br /> <br /> Nature's God??? That is not an xian reference, nor is their Creator. This is intentionally vague for a reason. You are dishonestly placing in your personal belief and trying to convince yourself it's the xian god.<br /> <br /> Nature's god and a creator could be ANY religion or none at all. Everyone from a satan worshipper to a buddhist can read their beliefs therein.<br /> <br /> Many of the signers of that declaration were free masons not xians so you are way off base with your interpretation. jack,

The declaration makes no mention of xianity and i would point out the obvious it could say jesus or it could say lord or it could mention the bible but it doesn’t.

Nature’s God??? That is not an xian reference, nor is their Creator. This is intentionally vague for a reason. You are dishonestly placing in your personal belief and trying to convince yourself it’s the xian god.

Nature’s god and a creator could be ANY religion or none at all. Everyone from a satan worshipper to a buddhist can read their beliefs therein.

Many of the signers of that declaration were free masons not xians so you are way off base with your interpretation.

]]> By: phreedm http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74634 phreedm Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74634 Comment from: dawnisis <br /> <br /> <blockquote>The declaration makes no mention of xianity and i would point out the obvious it could say jesus or it could say lord or it could mention the bible but it doesn't.</blockquote><br /> <br /> Of course it does...name another major religion that refers to God as the Creator...<br /> <br /> It is exactly this reason that organizations like AA refuse to accept the Dec. of Ind. as a founding document...<br /> <br /> <blockquote>Many of the signers of that declaration were free masons not xians so you are way off base with your interpretation.</blockquote><br /> <br /> You've made this claim often.<br /> <br /> First, name those you claim were Free Masons.<br /> <br /> Second, are stating that one can not be a christian and a Free Mason?<br /> <br /> <br /> Comment from: dawnisis

The declaration makes no mention of xianity and i would point out the obvious it could say jesus or it could say lord or it could mention the bible but it doesn’t.

Of course it does…name another major religion that refers to God as the Creator…

It is exactly this reason that organizations like AA refuse to accept the Dec. of Ind. as a founding document…

Many of the signers of that declaration were free masons not xians so you are way off base with your interpretation.

You’ve made this claim often.

First, name those you claim were Free Masons.

Second, are stating that one can not be a christian and a Free Mason?

]]> By: phreedm http://atheists.org/blog/2008/01/12/atheist_sues_over_secular_rights/comment-page-1#comment-74635 phreedm Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-74635 And...the Truth finally comes out and I'll bet the major networks ignore the story...<br /> <br /> <blockquote>Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study</blockquote><br /> <br /> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3177653.ece And…the Truth finally comes out and I’ll bet the major networks ignore the story…

Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3177653.ece

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