Check out the article from Talk to Action about H. Res. 888 linked to in the title to this posting.We have created a Godless American Political Action Committee Action Alert to try and stop the 31 sponsors of this disgusting resolution. As the article makes clear, the Whereas’s to this resolution are filled with half-truths, lies and damned lies. The worst part of this resolution is the attempt it makes to rewrite our nation’s history with lies. They want this trash taught in our schools. They want our history to say that America was never a nation of freedom loving liberty worshipers. We have always been a bunch of Christians and only Christians. There are no minorities and if there are any, they don’t count in America.My question is simple: if this a Christian nation under God and God rules; then why in the hell do these pandering politicians keep asking me (a mere mortal) to vote? If God rules, then let him elect these pandering politicians. But take action, read the alert and send a message loud and clear to your Representatives. Thanks.Peter Nuhn
the good news is that this is bullshit
the bad news is that theres plenty of it (Young Guns Movie)
Here’s one laughable quote from this unconstitutional piece a smelly righteous bullshit and waste of tax payer dollars….
“Whereas political scientists have documented that the most frequently-cited source in the political period known as The Founding Era was the Bible”….
like burning witches, enslaving a race, discriminating against women, bigotry and intolerance…the fucking list goes on and on….what a great source…
Let’s not get emotoinal about this…eh?
Facts are facts. The author of this article tries to explain away…
…by making the argument that it wasn’t the bible these quotes came from, but from sermons. Does this really need to be explained?
You know…we could replicate all but 12 verses of the New Testament by simply using “sermons” from the 1st century…
This has actually all been addressed 120 years ago…
http://members.aol.com/TestOath/HolyTrinityOp1-2.htm
The poor theists need another federal resolution to bolster there lack of faith in their faith. We were all born atheist. This is an atheist nation. Deal with it.
Theism is so costly and wasteful. To promote, in a world of finite resources, such a costly and wasteful institution as religion is not in the interest of humanity. A lie is an expensive thing to maintain and everyday one can see the enormous resources devoted to maintaining the lies of theists. Our planet demands and end to theism.
there -> their. There there.
documenting that this is a christian nation would be like saying this is a mans nation, or a white nation, or a hetero white mans nation …
it will not fly past even the righteously tilted supreme court let alone the house….
suck it phreedm
It’s lovely how they use “American Religious History Week” instead of “America was Founded on Christianity Week.”
Because really, isn’t that what the bill is saying?
If America was founded as a Christian nation, why did the Founding Fathers ignore and go against large parts of the bible? Freedom of/from Religion, freedom of speech, and many other rights go against God’s will.
Me, I am just thankful we live in a society with a government strong enough to restrain the murderous impulses of the Christian god and his followers
Off topic:
How can we atheists become trolls on Christian blogs? An eye for an eye, right?
Naughtyniko
I was enjoying reading all the refutations of the articles of HR888, when the post just stopped midway thru. ??? I even went so far as to sign up as a subscriber to the site to try to find the end of it, but couldn’t. Anybody know where/how to find the rest of it?
i don’t know if we’d be any good, because trolls apparently don’t excel in reading comprehension (see above).
I’ve tried trolling Christian blogs, but most of them just ban me. After all, Christianity is not very democratic religion given its based off the dictates of a nut job dictator-god.
Personally, I really don’t think Xtians know the difference between being a Majority Xtian based Country vs being a nation governed by the U.S. Constitution.
Xtianity is not the Supreme Law of the Land; the U.S. Constitution is…
but Xtians believe the two are the same.
Atheon
karen,
I sent an email to the author, I would like to see the end also.
To all,
It is in the best interest of the christian, that we argue with their trolls as opposed to doing things that would make our elected politicians know that we expect them to represent us as well. They break the wall one brick at a time, there won’t be one point where you will think this is the one that goes too far. It is all just a bunch of smaller stuff that adds up to a lot. One day they might declare a theocracy but it is more likely they want a theocracy without declaring it. The christian will take whatever it can get.
I hope our fasination with our christian pets isn’t causing us to neglect doing things that might actually help.
rna2dna
[I hope our fasination with our christian pets isn't causing us to neglect doing things that might actually help. ]
Well said…
Atheon
>>Naughtyniko Off topic:
>>How can we atheists become trolls >>on Christian blogs?
Well, first we remove your brain…
>>An eye for an eye, right?
That’s their book. I don’t think it’s worth it, and it’s been said:
“An eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind.”
atheon,
Thanks! Would you mind spelling fascination for me? I obviously don’t know how
I’m glad our congress is working hard on important issues. Wasn’t there a war or something going on as well? Oh well, forget about that, let’s read the bible.
phreedm
john wesley said all men are born mere atheists.
gov’t sanctioned faith is no faith at all.why import the sectarian division of the old world.the founding fathers were active members of the christian church but they were not fools they knew that those who claim to speak for god only speak for their own desires.
Comment from: Hoodlum
Freedom from religion…?
Hoodlum, how about giving us one example of people coming to America before 1776 with this concept…
This is a great example of a lie being propagated by groups such as AA…
Thomas Paine, plus MD, the misnamed Tolerant Colony, repeatedly singled out atheists for discriminatory measures.
Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?
rna2dna,
Sure, that’s easy. “Phacinayshun”
Hope that helps.
Atheon
Comment from: Hoodlum
Please provide resources and an example or two…
Comment from: Hoodlum
Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?
Freedom…is freedom. The freedom’s you describe are simply parts of the greater freedom one as from the Spirit…
phreedm,
Our founding fathers ENDED the control and power of the xian church once and for all. Because of america all xian theocracies were eventually ended and will never have any government control again.
They destroyed a millenium of rule by xians and the xians have no power anymore over anyone except those who voluntarily enslave themselves and their children.
Freedom FROM religion. They knew exactly what they were doing and why. And that was to destroy the xian power hold.
The bible calls for the exact opposite of freedom. You can’t do anything you want because there is eternal burning waiting if you don’t do EXACTLY what god wants.
If you translate that into a government you get the old testament form of rule where EVERYTHING calls for the death penalty i.e. witchcraft.
So you aren’t free phreedm, but you are lucky enough to live in a free country.
That sentence is a bunch of words strung together with no meaning.
one as from the spirit? WTF does that mean?
What’s a “Spirit”?
“greater freedom”????
It ain’t freedom to think that’s for sure.
Comment from: Hoodlum
I could give numerous examples from both the old and new testaments. But just to wet your apparent appetite…
How about the Scripture found on the Liberty Bell?
http://www.ushistory.org/libertybell/pics/strip.htm
http://www.ushistory.org/libertybell/
Wow…”By Order of the Assembly of PA”. Scripture placed on the bible. Following the 50 year jubilee described in Leviticus 25:10
Imagine that…and in a secular nation…
Nope…the bible had nothing to do with the founding of America…right.
So I ask you…exactly who is rewritting history?
And just in case you’re unsure of the definition of “liberty”.
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberty
dawnisis…
Prove it with facts.
If what you say is true, then why were christian church services held within Federal Government buildings up until the 1870’s?
And I specifically asked for an example of a group of people fleeing from anywhere to come to America for the sole purpose of “Freedom from Religion” BEFORE 1776.
dawnisis…one things for certain. You have obviously never read the bible. So any further discussion on here would be a waste of real estate.
However, please feel free to contact me if you’re sincere in your questions…
phreedm@yahoo.com
phreedm,
FREEMASONS. Every founding father was a freemason. The Declaration of Independence is based on freemason philosophy. George Bush is a self admitted freemason. Every president has been a freemason. The freemason’s tell all members to adopt the majority religion in order to gain power.
Your money has FREEMASON symbols on it. Look it up.
The church of england was murdering freemasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry#Religious_opposition
phreedm,
Whatever you want to believe doesn’t change was is and I feel sorry for you.
The founding fathers destroyed the rule of the church on purpose and they told the sheeple whatever they had to in order to get them to fight.
Learn history. I have Freemason books from the 1700’s and you can call a rare book dealer right now and buy them. I recommend the encyclopedic sets. I also have the personal papers of george washington which was distributed as a book to freemasons.
karen,
Fixed now! (thanks to Chris Rodda) It is worth reading the part that wasn’t there before and the comment from Bruce Wilson.
Here is a link to buy the books.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=&tn=history+of+freemasonry&pn=&sortby=1&x=63&y=16
I brought up a set I personally have.
Comment from: dawnisis
Untrue. Period.
Which is what? Spell it out and it’s source.
phreedm,
Regardless of the number of instances where God is referenced in historical documents (currency, Pledge of Alleg…etc.), the ruling authority is the U.S. Constitution.
We can reference all 66 Chapters of the Bible all we want but it has no legal power here.
phreedm,
I a even gonna go the extra mile for you. I am gonna get my freemason books and scan in the founding of our country and why it came about.
I will set up a webpage and I will personally email you a link.
I will also post the web addy here for my atheist peeps so we never have to have this discussion about why this country was founded again.
It will take an hour or 2 bbs.
Comment from: atheon
Agreed. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Interesting…
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/4/24725/53989
So sorry to ‘ring your bell’, & wreck your pretty story, phreddy.
To Peter Nuhm :
Peter, thanks for covering this. Here’s a branding ( or “framing” ) idea.
I’m thinking it might be productive to start branding Congressman Randy Forbes and the 31 co-sponsors of House Resolution 888 as :
“The Fake History 32″
If you ca think of a snappier way of putting this I’m all ears !
Best, Bruce Wilson
KA…
Nice try. But your response has absolutely zero to do with the discussion…
Phreed
Please define what a spirit or soul
actually is.What are its properties,
by what means does it enter or leave
the body? I really would like to hear
your answer.
By the way, I attended a cathoilc school for 11 years so I am well versed in the scriptures.
I started a blog for everyone to see some of my encyclopedic set of the freemasons.
I am in the progress of updating obviously and I will be adding scanned pages next, only the photos are up so far.
Let me know if you have any problems viewing it.
http://aiaproject.blogspot.com/
Dawn
I had no problem opening the blog. Looks promising.
All the text I photographed didn’t turn out because of the flash, so I am scanning now.
I am glad I started this it will be good to have a digital version of these books. I have other masonic books too, but I will just do one set at a time.
How so? You drag the bell out as an example, the facts show that it had zero ‘to do’ w/the discussion.
karen – the rest of it can be found at the unread link I gave phreddy.
Comment from: IVORY GIRL
So…why ask then?
KA…
My response was to this question…
Comment from: Hoodlum
Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?
KA
Thanks. I saw rna2dna’s update that the post had been fixed and went back and read the rest of it earlier today.
Was tickled by the explanation of the *church* services in the capitol that phreddy is so excited about, but since I made a resolution not to respond to him, I didn’t post anything about it. Just enjoyed a private chuckle.
I am currently procrastinating about composing an email to my area representative, who is a cosponsor of this resolution. Trying to wait until the invective wears off and I can produce something more politely persuasive.