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Golden Compass article

http://courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071201/COLUMNISTS10/712010310/1004/livingHere’s a nice article including me and Janis Rael (former Southern NJ Rejional Director and current AAI activist).The omitted part: The second Narnia movie is out.Golden Compas has anti-religion overtones, but is not anti-Christian.On the other hand, Narnia is definitely pro-christian, and pro-authority. The second Narnia movie is not being picketed, even though it does a lot more in terms of exposing children to candy-coated Christianity. Why not picket Narnia?? Because it’s a MOVIE about a talking lion, and a darn good one at that. Imagine if we were so timid about our beliefs that we feared losing our kids to the ir cult because of a cartoon lion. Well, we’re not afraid.So go see Golden Compass, and go see Narnia. Enjoy them both.

79 Responses to “Golden Compass article”

  1. avatar what says:

    JCC

    One step at a time…Rome wasn’t built in a day.

    You are a moron. Just what do you think is being “built” in Iraq?

  2. avatar rna2dna says:

    jcc,
    Are you afraid of Golden Compass?
    You will be going to see it won’t you?

    There are millions of different god-ideas jcc, you know that. In fact, several million god-ideas are claimed by christians alone.

    especially in coming to the understanding that we’re all so very much like the Israelites were in so many ways.

    Yes, people who have god-ideas are indeed very similar even though each one prays to a different god.

  3. avatar jcc says:

    What:

    You are a moron.

    Yes, a hebetudinous dolt without peer.

    Just what do you think is being “built” in Iraq?

    Doh! Trick question, right?

  4. avatar jcc says:

    rna2dna:

    Are you afraid of Golden Compass?

    No. Should I be?

    You will be going to see it won’t you?

    No. Why? Is it mandatory that I do?

    There are millions of different god-ideas jcc, you know that.

    Yes, I do.

    In fact, several million god-ideas are claimed by christians alone.

    Yes, but those who ?confess with their lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead? know the only God.

    Yes, people who have god-ideas are indeed very similar even though each one prays to a different god.

    Not true for those who meet the requirements of Romans 10:9 (see quote above).

  5. avatar jcc says:

    666:

    Hey, thanks for the links. If you?d like, maybe we can pick one or two (said contradictions, not the entire contents of the links) and discuss them.

  6. avatar what says:

    JCC

    Doh! Trick question, right?
    Permalink

    Do you think being flippant about all the death and destruction your kind has caused is a good idea. Again, you’re a moron!

  7. avatar Obeah says:

    jcc,

    Why yes…why would you think otherwise?

    It is exceedingly difficult for me to believe that any thinking human being could read it and not come away thinking, what a horrible, violent, misogynistic, genocidal book; one full of historical, social and psychological errors. How in the name of all that reason can display, could anyone accept such nonsense? You obviously have capacities far beyond my ken. Did you really read Revelation? Yikes-a-hooty!

    Now, may I ask, have you read the entire Bible?

    Why yes, twice, plus the little bits and pieces I am forced to re-read because of frequent Christian misunderstanding and my vain attempts to open their eyes.

    My query about The Year of Living Biblically was to ascertain if you understand what the Bible requires of the devout. The author attempted to follow ALL the pronouncements, and as you have just read the thing, you ought to be aware of your duties. Unless of course the New Testament renders them null and void?

    Also,you didna say who the One True God is. Do tell.

  8. avatar jcc says:

    What:

    Do you think being flippant about all the death and destruction your kind has caused is a good idea.

    My ?kind??

    Again, you’re a moron!

    That?s right. Dumber than you could ever hope to be!

  9. avatar jcc says:

    Obeah:

    It is exceedingly difficult for me to believe that any thinking human being could read it and not come away thinking, what a horrible, violent, misogynistic, genocidal book;

    Did I say I didn?t?

    one full of historical, social and psychological errors.

    Social and psychological errors??yes. Historical??not so fast.

    How in the name of all that reason can display, could anyone accept such nonsense?

    Easy?it?s the history of God?s relationship with imperfect, sinful and rebellious people. People who were: horrible, violent, misogynists?

    You obviously have capacities far beyond my ken.

    ?A gift from the Spirit? :-)

    Did you really read Revelation?

    Yes. I read it cover-to-cover; Genesis to Revelation; every chapter, verse and word.

    Yikes-a-hooty!

    Absolutely!

    Why yes, twice

    Wonderful! I?m pleased to know that we now have something in common!

    My query about The Year of Living Biblically was to ascertain if you understand what the Bible requires of the devout. The author attempted to follow ALL the pronouncements, and as you have just read the thing, you ought to be aware of your duties. Unless of course the New Testament renders them null and void?

    I?m afraid I don?t understand. You said you?ve read the Bible. Twice. And I assume that included all of the New Testament? Did you not read Paul?s epistles and especially Hebrews? Was the version you read from a study Bible?or was it like the NIV and had just the text and no other commentary and background on each book?

    Also,you didna say who the One True God is. Do tell.

    It?s God. The God of the Bible, the Hebrews and Christians. If you?re genuinely trying to ask something of me, please don?t be coy. Just ask it in simple terms and I?ll be happy to respond.

  10. avatar Obeah says:

    jcc,

    Yes. I read it cover-to-cover; Genesis to Revelation; every chapter, verse and word.

    And you believe Revelation??!!!

    or was it like the NIV and had just the text and no other commentary and background on each book?

    Are you implying that I cannot properly read the Bible without someone else’s interpretation of it? You also seem to be disparaging the NIV?
    The fact that you continually deflect criticism of your belief as well as any criticism of The Word by referring people to some other version, better suited to your opinion, irritates a lot of people. I have read a number of translations (not of the whole Bible), and I fibbed when I said I read the Bible twice; the NT I have read thrice and the version I like best is one where the translator attempted to write in the voice of the time: I refer to The Unvarnished Gospels.

    Did you not read Paul?s epistles and especially Hebrews?

    Now you are testing my understanding. What are you saying? I admit that I cannot take Paul too seriously. Why his word should be so revered is a puzzle.

    It?s God. The God of the Bible, the Hebrews and Christians. If you?re genuinely trying to ask something of me, please don?t be coy. Just ask it in simple terms and I?ll be happy to respond.

    It may seem coy to you but before your absence the issue of polytheism arose. I asked the same question, you vanished. I was giving you a chance to explain.
    If there is ONE true god, what is his name? Do you worship the god who, it is claimed, created the world, or His son, or is it the mysterious Spirit/Ghost, or is it all three who are invoked at various moments? To claim that they are all of one entity is belied by the words of your book.
    If you want to worship two or three or more gods that’s fine with me but don’t claim monotheism when there [are] clearly more in heaven than [are] dreamt of…

  11. avatar jcc says:

    Obeah:

    And you believe Revelation??!!!

    Well, he (John) was pretty accurate in describing Nero as the beast whose number is 666, and Rome as being the beast on whom the harlot is seated (?This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;? ? Rev. 17:9) because Rome is built on 7 hills and he accurately described of the succession of power in Rome at the time of Nero (?they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while.? ? Rev. 17:10). So, as for his future prophesy, I have no reason not to believe it?cryptic though it is.

    Are you implying that I cannot properly read the Bible without someone else’s interpretation of it?

    Not at all. I was simply asking if you used other resources that provided background information on each book in the Bible.

    You also seem to be disparaging the NIV?

    No. Some NIV printings contain only the text of the Scripture and nothing else (like the one I just read). Others (like the NASB provide extensive background information on each book?s authorship, date, where it was written and to whom it was intended).

    The fact that you continually deflect criticism of your belief as well as any criticism of The Word by referring people to some other version, better suited to your opinion, irritates a lot of people.

    My apologies.

    I have read a number of translations (not of the whole Bible), and I fibbed when I said I read the Bible twice;

    Ok. How ?bout we agree to be as truthful with each other as we can from now on?

    the NT I have read thrice and the version I like best is one where the translator attempted to write in the voice of the time: I refer to The Unvarnished Gospels.

    Time permitting, I will look into that.

    Now you are testing my understanding. What are you saying?

    I was confused by your alluding that the NT nullifies the Law in the OT. Paul, in Galatians and especially the writer of Hebrews does a very good job explaining how Christ?s atoning sacrifice removed the need to keep the old sacrificial laws.

    I admit that I cannot take Paul too seriously. Why his word should be so revered is a puzzle.

    Granted in some translations he?s difficult to understand (even the Apostle Peter said as much?2 Peter 3:15-16), but in the NIV, it was pretty clear. Besides the Apostle John, Paul stands out in the NT as having tremendous insight and understanding of what Christ?s purpose was in coming.

    It may seem coy to you but before your absence the issue of polytheism arose. I asked the same question, you vanished. I was giving you a chance to explain.

    I didn?t vanish to avoid answering a question and I apologize if it appeared that way?as I have said many times, with my schedule, it?s very difficult to find time to spend here. And besides, the opportunity came up for me to read the Bible in 90 days and I wanted to take it uninterrupted so as to not affect what I might say here before I had a complete understanding of it.

    If there is ONE true god, what is his name?

    The great ?I Am,? which in Hebrew translates roughly to Yaweh.

    Do you worship the god who, it is claimed, created the world, or His son, or is it the mysterious Spirit/Ghost, or is it all three who are invoked at various moments?

    The short answer is ?yes.? Here?s where you?re being coy. You know about the Trinity and clearly don?t understand it, but you?re trying to trap me into admitting that Christianity is polytheistic?which it is not. In Apologetic circles, it?s known as ?Radical Monotheism? and the Trinity is defined something like ?three distinct persons in one essential being?without confusion.? In other words, it?s a mystery, yet we see God?s work through each ?person.?

    To claim that they are all of one entity is belied by the words of your book.

    On the contrary. Granted, the word ?Trinity? doesn?t appear in it, but the Bible is abundantly clear that each ?person? of the Trinity exists and refers to each multiple times.

    If you want to worship two or three or more gods that’s fine with me but don’t claim monotheism when there [are] clearly more in heaven than [are] dreamt of…

    I believe it would benefit you considerably to take the time and read the Bible through. Doing so certainly put things in much clearer perspective and context for me.

  12. avatar 666 says:

    jcc,

    Well, he (John) was pretty accurate in describing Nero as the beast whose number is 666

    The vast majority of christian biblical scholars today acknowledge that the number of which you speak is “616″. Look it up!
    Of course you can always take the typical copout and say it’s not your particular brand of insanity by claiming they’re “No True Christians”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  13. avatar 666 says:

    Forgot to add that all of that crap is irrelevant as a belief in numerology is further evidence of delusion.

  14. avatar jcc says:

    666:

    The vast majority of christian biblical scholars today acknowledge that the number of which you speak is “616″. Look it up!

    Really? Hey, thanks for the tip. Got any links to said Biblical scholars? But references to the numerological aspect aside, don?t ya think there?re other pretty convincing references to Nero (though obviously veiled to protect not only himself, but his recipients as well) in the text?

    Of course you can always take the typical copout and say it’s not your particular brand of insanity by claiming they’re “No True Christians”

    Yeah, I suppose I could.

    Hey. So, if 666 isn?t the correct number, then what?s the significance of your moniker here? :-)

    Forgot to add that all of that crap is irrelevant as a belief in numerology is further evidence of delusion.

    But the significance of the numerology of beast?s number ends with it being deciphered to Nero?s name. No further ?belief? is required or intended.

  15. avatar 666 says:

    if 666 isn?t the correct number, then what?s the significance of your moniker here?

    I already posted about this: religidiot nurse at VA hospital refusing to record my weight (166.6lbs) as this would require her to “soil her soul”.
    Typical xtian moron.

  16. avatar jcc says:

    666:

    I already posted about this: religidiot nurse at VA hospital refusing to record my weight (166.6lbs) as this would require her to “soil her soul”.
    Typical xtian moron.

    Ok, thanks for setting me straight!

  17. avatar Obeah says:

    jcc,
    You completely misunderstood me. When I said I fibbed, it was followed by: I have read the NT thrice. This means I have read the entire bible twice and the gospels 3 times through, as well as having read the bible in bits as the need arises.I am also aware of the commentaries. But if it cannot stand on it’s own, what good is it? After all it is the inspired word of god.; he ought not to need an interpreter.

    To suggest that I don’t understand the Trinity in the way you interpret it is insulting. You are not the first christian to voice that particular lunacy.

    I don’t see how asking which god you worship is coy. Yes, anyone can see I am asking how you reconcile the many gods you invoke.

    I wish I had more time to address the other errors in your thought processes, perhaps tomorrow.

    The great, I Am!?
    Each”person” of the Trinity!?
    And you truly don’t see how convoluted is your reasoning!

  18. avatar beakmeister says:

    From goldencompassmovie.com, my Deamon is Sophistra the Lion. I am modest, humble, dependable, assertive & responsible. After reading how the anti-religious elements were toned down for the movie, my wife and I were quite pleased to find plenty of that remaining. The story was good, the special effects were amazing, especially (most of) the animal CGI (Computer-generated imagery). We quite thoroughly enjoyed it.

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