You just got to love the religious. They are so kind and loving. Who knew that the Sudanese and the Muslims could clone so many William Donohues. I can just see Bill out there demanding death for the teacher whose 7 year olds named a little teddy bear Je$u$.Thank goodness the Xians also declare us a theocratic nation just like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iran, Sudan, etc. I am going right out and buying Bill Donohue a new whip. Hope he has his whipping arm up to sufficient strength. He’s gonna need it.Peter Nuhn
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Why would a British woman go to the Sudan in the first place? I’m sure she went in a misguided attempt to make a difference but we need to deal in reality and realise that African muslims are a hopeless lot. The First World needs to stop trying to improve the conditions in places like the Sudan because things never change for the better in Africa no matter how much foreign aid is wasted there.
I just read this story and came here. Its disgusting beyond words. Funny that you can name your children Muhammad, but a Teddy Bear? Oh No! Thats punishable by death.
All religion does is push people apart.
This has got to be one of the most convoluted threads to date…
But wait…this explains why…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
This morning an inconsiderate neighbour’s dog soiled the pavement outside my house. I decided to name the offending feces ‘Mohammad,’ not after a teddy bear, not after a grade school child, but after Islam’s so-called ‘Prophet.’
I hope someone in the Sudanese government reads this. Offense IS intended. I just awarded your ‘Prophet’ an hornourary Dog-turd of Divinity.
Speaking of The Poop, have you guys heard that he blames atheism for the worlds problems? Story on ABC.com:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3935043
We atheists are easy to blame… because we don’t form rampaging mobs when we feel slighted… unlike some people from the Sudan.
I guess the poop has forgotten the Catholic Church’s own history…like the Spanish inquisition or say…
“Pius, in his pre-papal role as Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli, was responsible for the concordat the Vatican struck with Hitler in 1933, shortly after the dictator came to power. Throughout the Holocaust, the only time that church officials spoke out was to protest the persecution of Jews who had converted to Catholicism. Otherwise, they cheerfully released to the Nazis genealogical information regarding who had been a Jew in the past, which the Gestapo used with murderous efficiency.”
I guess he’s forgotten the church’s own history over the past few years, too. You know, the part about the child rape?
I was over at GifS and saw that the teacher has been sentenced to 15 days in jail and deportation. No flogging. Lucky her. Now, if they can just get her out of the country past that mob…
phreedm,
And what exactly does that explain? That Republicans think they’re better off than everyone else? What a surprise.
Perhaps you should read this article:
http://tinyurl.com/2uvyp
From the results of that study, I think it’s pretty obvious what’s happening here. The incompetent Republicans rate themselves higher than average simply because they don’t know any better. On the other hand, Democrats and (especially) Independents are better at recognizing mental illness and accurately reporting it.
If you showed us a double blind study that showed Republicans were actually mentally healthier I would be very surprised.
phreedm
All that poll shows is a republican state of denial.
Congratulations on yet another thread derail.
Hmm… and to think teddy bears were symbolic of love and care. I guess metaphors are lost on [at least Sudanese] Muslims. And they wonder why the world hates and misunderstands Islam. Nevermind the call to murder anyone who offends them in even the slightest of ways. Immature much?
Perhaps someone with a bit of server space and a camera could take a picture of the poop, and post it online with the heading “Mohamed”. Just to be fair there should be one name “Jesus”. One named “Abraham”. Include a whole bunch of “mugshots”. Let them get mad. Perhaps we could desensitize them a bit. Hard to punish the little stuff when we insult them much worse. It is a good thing most of the religious are not nearly as literal about their books. If they were all as literal, the blood would really flow.
The true bigots in society are the religious. Kill someone for naming a teddy bear douche bag…or whatever it was? Come on. What God would want that? I’ll tell you which one….a bad one.
Start the revolution at http://www.atheistrevolution.com
**Off Topic**
But worthy of your attention!
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5329279.html
Go SOCAS!
Religion can go suck on this.
Right on topic! See jesusandmo today at http://www.jesusandmo.net/
phreedm,
This is from the study you quoted in order to make yourself feel superior:
The report itself shows that WEALTHY EDUCATED WHITE MEN report better mental health, in fact that should be the actual title for this poll you so proudly flaunt.
The Democatic Party is diverse, unlike the Republican Party which only includes only wealthy white men. So good for you Phreedm, you are absolutely correct, you are superior in ever way to those poor minorities and single moms.
You are such a pathetic freak not to realize that white men are more likely to receive additional benefits and ease of life than everyone else in this country without any effort on their part.
You should join the kkk not the xian church.
Oh wait I forgot the xian church basically is the new kkk.
The whole thing just goes to show you why Sudan is on the bottom of every list in the world. Kind of like Mississippi. The real shame is that I bet there are a bunch of people who don’t agree with this farce, but are bullied into accepting it.
The civilized world needs to just let the Sudan fucking implode. Stop all foreign aid and let these ignorant Stone Age barbarians slaughter each other and wipe the slate clean. You just can’t expect anything but this sort of behaviour from black African muslims.
Dawnisis
Why would a British woman go to the Sudan in the first place?
Maybe because she is STUPID.
Understand she talked to her children and told them nobody should judge the Muslims who would have happily killed her. Can you say
I-D-I-O-T?
GodFree,
I’m sure that she is a victim of politically correct indoctrination and white liberal guilt and believed that she was doing good by trying to teach savages. This is exactly the sort of thing that I am always talking about in here but which so few people want to hear. Black Africans are a totally hopeless lot and when you add islam into the mix there is zero hope of any sort of civil or intelligent behaviour. This stupid British cow deserves whatever punishmnet she receives at the hands of the Sudanese followers of the “religion of peace”. I just hope that her story serves as an example to other civilized people to stay away from Third Wolrd shit holes.
I am curious what happened to the school administrator that reported this.
Also, why was she picked out, the kids voted for it. I quess being a lowly woman earned her the right to be punished.
Thank you Alex for that bit of wisdom. It is good to know that not all atheists think alike. When theists attempt to lump us together as one homogeneous group we can point to your marvelous erudition and lack of scientific introspection to prove that we are not a unified threat to mankind, but rather, collection of flawed human beings.
substitute the word “homosexuals” for “Black Africans” and tell me you’re not a BIGOT.
I don’t totally agree with Alex, but looking at the entire picture does make you wonder what is going on. I absolutely do not believe that race determines intelligence. Whether it is simply that as a country Africa is so far behind the civilized world or what I don’t have a clue.
However, watch the black African take over a country that has been built and run by other nationalities and generally they’ve pretty much run it into the ditch when they got into the driver’s seat.
I do agree with him that when you throw the radical Islam into a mix where ignorance abides (or whatever else is at work), then it kind of looks like a recipe for a downhill slide.
Even in this country we have blacks killing blacks in far greater numbers than is seen in other races. And we see far more black children being born to unmarried black women, many of them children themselves, than in other races.
I am delighted to see more and more blacks coming out of our niversities but even so the numbers are far higher for females than males. So then are black males less intelligent, more easily swayed by peer pressure or could it possibly be that there is yet to be a gene discovered that controls determination or will power, or even common sense?
It’s not an easy question, but surely everybody here would agree than the Muslim mix isn’t a plus, especially in places where poverty and lack of education are the norm.
GF&G,
Hope you don’t mind if I so a slight edit.
GodFree&Glad,
Do you have a similar explanation for Iraq? The usual response seems to be something that amounts to the Iraq Government/People aren’t doing what we want them to do. But isn’t that basically the same thing, that is, the driven not conforming to the wishes of the driver?
What would the United States be like if we end up becoming what the christian would like us to be? As an example; I am not aware of anything in the christian that would lead to equal rights for men and women. Isn’t the push towards equal treatment driven by the values of the secular voice within the Country?
You are most welcome. The only thing that we have in common as atheists is a disbelief in gods. Please don’t assume that all atheists are bleeding heart liberal Democrats. We aren’t.
If you want science then take a look at this study from UC Berkley and U of Western Ontario. As you can see, there is a huge difference in avergae IQ among Europeans and East Asians as compared to Africans. As an atheist I’m sure that you will place facts above knee jerk emotions after reading this scientific study:
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
This recent article from Slate magazine might be of interest as well:
http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/
Are gay people overrepresented in criminal activities or prison populations? in poverty? in lacking an education? the answer is of course a resounding “no”. Your comparison is silly.
You can thank affirmitive action and lowered standards based on race for this. Blacks and other minorities are not always held to the same standards as Europeans when it comes to college admissions or job hiring practices and when the same standards are enforced the use of the “race card” intimidates people into letting non-whites slide. This is exactly why I refuse to see a black doctor when I visit hospital. I want someone with the power over my health and life to have earned their position as a doctor instead of having it partly handed to them because of their skin colour. The recent case of Dr Jan Adams who operated on Kanye West’s mother is a prime example. Dr Adams had been sued for malpractice several times prior to this fatal surgery, his ex wife alleged sexual battery and physical assault, he had several DUI convictions and was facing a pending disciplinary action before the Medical Board of California. If this had been a white doctor do you think he would have still been in practice?
Any reasonable person who views the world with eyes open knows that there is a difference between average abilities of different groups of people. If we can recognise that black Africans are prone to sickle cell anaemia and northern Europeans are prone to Type 1 diabetes then why can’t we also acknowledge other genetic differences? If you are able to see past your conditioning then the situation in the Sudan, and in all black societies, makes perfect sense. Stop being apologists for the universal and dismal failings of Africans and deal with the facts. It is what it is no matter how much we wish that this inconvenient truth wasn’t so.
666,
I almost said ‘religion’, but the radical element of the Muslim religion strikes me as the worst of all religions at the moment. But agree all would be/are bad.
rna2dna,
One of us is missing the point. I was not suggesting that a people should not control their own country or government, only pointing out that the Africans who have taken over their own countries have not done a spectacular job of maintaining the economies, peace, etc. And we were discussing African people, not those of Iraq which is a whole other discussion.
On the 2nd point, you’ve run off in the ditch again, but let me humor you. All peoples and all countries, the US included, would be better off without religion of any sort.
alex,
Your racist, bigoted remarks have earned you the same respect I have for the resident troll: None. Tell me, are you a card carying member of the KKK?
Before you start whining “Ad hominem”, you are the one describing yourself.
Boy you are a dense fuck.
You homosexuals are all the same. And don’t get me started on diabetics.
You’re quoting studies from a known racist who measured the circumference of people’s heads, reaching the conclusion that Asians are the smartest, then Caucasians, then blacks!!???? He was discredited here at UWO years ago.
Gee Alex,
I know some Ph.D.s who are white and dumber than rocks. Guess they lowered the standards for a certain number of whites along with all the black ones, ya think?
GodFree&Glad,
I was pointing to the less than spectacular job the United States has done in its recent role in taking over a country. If you prefer “own” country I guess we could look to the early history of how the natives in North America were treated.
And your original statement was:
Must have been because I was in the ditch, I thought you were referring to only the Muslim religion instead of all religion. Sorry I wasn’t able to pick out your real intent.
I guess Alex has got me a bit on edge about making statements that favor one racial group over another. Given equal treatment, environment, education, social favor, economic and natural resources, I don’t think there would be much if any difference based on skin color. There certainly are differences based on culture but that is a different subject.
Interestingly, the muslim has been more successful in keeping its followers under theocratic control then the christian has. Intresting how that has worked out as an advantage for the christian.
So what?
Ad hominen attacks and infantile name calling are a sure sign that a person has no intelligent rebuttal.
Many of us share similar character traits, yes.
Ok, I won’t.
Where is this mystical land of Caucasia that I keep hearing about? The correct term is “European”.
I suppose that psychologist Heiner Ribermann and the peers who reviewed his new work are also racist because they accept scientific findings? He just published a paper in the August issue of the European Journal of Personality titled “The g-factor of international cognitive ability comparisons: the homogeneity of results in PISA, TIMSS, PIRLS and IQ-tests across nations” which includes an open peer commentary by thirty one international scholars and provides valuable new IQ data from sub-Saharan Africa which backs up my claims about differences in average abilities among races exactly.
I doubt it but you never know.
Look don’t be mad at me just because I don’t bury my head in the sand when it comes to certain scientific and reproducible facts about certain groups of people. Facts are facts, mate and you can’t get angry at facts so instead you attack the messenger. If average IQ doesn’t explain the universal failures of Africans the world over then please educate me as to what does.
Don’t you think this is a breathtakingly simplistic analysis? I have no idea if your IQ assertions are correct, and don’t really care to investigate, but what I do know is that there are a large number of factors that influence the relative success of failure of political entities. To latch on to a single controversial issue as the prime (if not sole) unsupported causation factor seems to me to be glaringly simplistic.
Do you think IQ measures a persons ability to learn?
http://www.healthline.com/
galecontent/intelligence-quotient-iq
Yes I attack you, ’cause you’re a dink. You give “facts” based on highly controversial studies based on IQ tests done by someone else (Watson)! You cite the idiot Rushton; I’ve seen him up close. God you’re a dink. (And it’s Rindermann not Ribermann)
Well ecuse me, apparently things have changed since grade school. So what? The classification is not the issue, it’s your obvious racism, corroborated by studies equal to phreedm’s. I won’t debate him, as I won’t debate you because your opinions are so nonsensical, ie., a waste of time. I don’t know what the classifications are anymore; not my area. If it’s European, does that include my black friends in England? God, your a dink.
If you wanted to educate yourself (Ha) you could read Gould’s book, The Mismeasure of Man.
I don’t wholly agree with Alexatheist but I have to wonder and am not so quick to jump down his throat…
The Mexican government has poured resources into communities, built schools, funded small businesses, etc., and my cohorts south of the border just don’t get it…return 10 years later to the same community and it is once again a hell hole…I swear I am not a racist but it is frustrating…You try ever so hard to do what is best and then bang your head against the wall when you see the results…
Lather, rinse, repeat:
Norplant, vasectomies, tubal ligations…
And another thing. Your response to this:
Is this?
Pick one word from a statement so as to appear superior. That’s a sure sign of intellectual bankruptcy or, maybe phreedm has been tutoring you.
This from god old wiki:
(For those of you that want to complain that wiki is not reliable, you can check any other encyclopedia you want as this information is NOT in dispute.)
The Caucasus or Caucasia is a region in Eurasia bordered on the north by Russia, on the southwest by Turkey, on the west by the Black Sea, on the east by the Caspian Sea, and on the south by Iran. The Caucasus includes the Caucasus Mountains and surrounding lowlands.
People in Europe, especially in Russia and nearby, generally use the term “Caucasian” exclusively to identify people who are from the Caucasus region or who speak the Caucasian languages.
Doesn’t change the fact you’re a racist. (you also neglected to inform of your status in regards to KKK)
this affair regarding the teacher is not about religion but about britain supporting sanctions against sudan.i’m suprised we haven’t see this sooner i suspect if the pressure increases on sudan more westerners will get arrested on trumped up charges.i do agreed with alex the aid should stop it only feeds corruption. that was true with our aid to south vietnam to give another example.i’m of the view aid hurts more then helps in the long run.
Why not just cut to the chase and use a nuke?
/sarcasm
I’m sorry for the rough and frustrating time you’ve had over there. But some problems require solutions which you may not see the results of, in you lifetime. That doesn’t mean we should take the quick and easy way out.
Alexatheist’s remarks about race and IQ are pretty much bottom of the barrel stuff, with very little intellectual credibility. You have really shown your ignorance here, if not your bigotry. I’d like to present a scientific rebuttal
Lets first look at a couple of his undefined concepts:
1) Race.
Race has NO BASIS IN BIOLOGY. Yes that’s right….there is NO BIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR THE SEPERATION OF HUMANS INTO WHAT WE CALL “RACE”. The “idea” of race is simply the result of two human characteristics.
a) We like to classify.
b) We are visual creatures.
Hence we classify humans into groups that we can easily visually differentiate, usually on the basis of skin colour and facial features.
Now, if our predominant sense was auditory or olfactory, rather than visual, “races” would be defined by how we sound, or how we smell.
We could just as easily divide people into groups based on differences in the structure of Insulin Growth Factor Receptor, or any one of the estimated 50,000 genes in our genome. Each of these classification systems would have as much basis in biology as our current classifications of race!
The fact is, that the genetic diversity within “races” is as great as the genetic diversity between “races”. What conclusion can we draw from this fact? Simple – “races” are a completely human construction with no basis in biology. Alexatheist clearly does not grasp this.
2) IQ
Alexatheist clearly believes that IQ is a unbiased measure of “intelligence” (an undefined concept). This is the second major scientific ignorance contained in his post.
Of course anyone who has read, even briefly, about this subject will quickly be dissuaded of this notion (if their bigotry allows them to).
IQ test, in themselves, are of course biased toward certain cultures. Not only does Alexatheist not recognise this fact, but then compounds the error, by assuming that IQ is directly proportional to the competely undefined concept of intelligence. There is no science in any of this.
Let’s perform a thought experiment:
Alexathiest, proud of his culturally inflated IQ, is suddenly transported to the middle of the Nubian desert in the Sudan, alongside a low IQ native inhabitant. Over a period of 72 hours he dies of thirst, while the native inhabitant cheerfully goes about his dailylife using his cultural knowledge. To the objective observer, who is the “stupid” one now??
Unfortunatly, Alexatheists views on these subjects are not unusual. To me it is really very sad. That he airs these views, ie. that completely man-made and arbitrary divisions among humans could be used as a basis for segregation, on an atheist website….well I am not sure I have a word for that.
Alexatheist, one day I hope the penny drops for you. We are all the same – homo sapiens. That you can so easily dismiss the pain and misery of so many of your fellow humans on the basis of differences in the genetic control of melanin production is FUCKING NAUSEATING! Wake up to yourself Man!!
Well said, Danger.
I would add this:
Let’s assume for a moment that you’re right about Africans “failing.” Why do you jump to the conclusion that “race” is behind it? Could it not be a lack of natural resources, or pressure from “more successful” countries?
If you really wanted to be scientific about it, you would say “I don’t know” instead of jumping to a conclusion.
There are way too many factors involved to narrow it down to skin color.
While this incident clearly shows the insanity and irrational beliefs of Muslims, there are still irrational atheists who don’t understand the depth of the various factors that affect people. Alexatheist has posted numerous simplified and racist statements relating to this incident claiming that “black africans” are below other humans because of statistical correlations. Alexatheist fails to acknowledge multitude of factors brought up in the book “Guns, Germs & Steel” as well as the destructive forces of European colonialism.
The destructive impact of religion is obvious when you look at it. Alexatheist should end the willful ignorance toward other influences that affect people which are so quickly condemned.
WOW, Peter Nuhn acknowledges the fact that Israel is a theocratic state… lets see if Dave calls him an Anti-Semite and a holocaust denier.
On Kanye West’s Bitter, Bone-Chilling 808s & Heartbreak…
West went to classify his new disc as a pop lyrics, stating his disdain towards the contemporary backlash to the concept of pop music and expressed admiration for what some pop stars have accomplished in their careers….