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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70377</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Shop pointing the fingers at Atheists&lt;/blockquote&gt; Shop? What a perfectly delightful Freudian slip.&lt;br /&gt;
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The war on xmas is definitely xian fingerprints all over it. They are great at starting unjustifiable wars and then blaming the results on others.</description>
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<p> Shop? What a perfectly delightful Freudian slip.</p>
<p>The war on xmas is definitely xian fingerprints all over it. They are great at starting unjustifiable wars and then blaming the results on others.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70378</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should have read: The war on xmas definitely has xian fingerprints all over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should have read: The war on xmas definitely has xian fingerprints all over it.</p>
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		<title>By: mushinronjya</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70379</link>
		<dc:creator>mushinronjya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck xmas.&lt;br /&gt;
Fuck Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;
Fuck god.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yay to Solstice, the original holiday!&lt;br /&gt;
The true meaning of the holiday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck xmas.<br />
Fuck Jesus.<br />
Fuck god.</p>
<p>Yay to Solstice, the original holiday!<br />
The true meaning of the holiday!</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70385</link>
		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh... definately on the naughtly list...&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;The traditional Dickens Christmas Festival has been re-named the Dickens Holiday Festival so the city can advertise in local schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh&#8230; definately on the naughtly list&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The traditional Dickens Christmas Festival has been re-named the Dickens Holiday Festival so the city can advertise in local schools.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70386</link>
		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh... definately on the naughtly list...&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;The traditional Dickens Christmas Festival has been re-named the Dickens Holiday Festival so the city can advertise in local schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh&#8230; definately on the naughtly list&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnem.com/news/14706299/detail.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The traditional Dickens Christmas Festival has been re-named the Dickens Holiday Festival so the city can advertise in local schools.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: pnuhn@gampac.org</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70388</link>
		<dc:creator>pnuhn@gampac.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read about the Chinese communist making Crosses that are sold in NYC cathedrals and went to see if our good friends at the Catholic League had any comment and no, not a single comment about all the media on how St Pats and Trinity sold Crosses made by 15 and 16 year old girls forced to work anywhere from 12 to even 23 hours a day to make these holy kotchkis for Catholics and other Xian folks. They live in dirty disgusting dorms, eat company poor unhealthy food, work with toxic chemicals, and then have the room and board deducted from their pay. Their pay is half the communist minimum wage of 55 cents an hour. &lt;br /&gt;
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On the cover of the National Labor Committee report that documents these horrid conditions is a quote from one little commie girl who prays:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Jesus, take pity on me. I&#039;m going to die from exhaustion.&quot; Chinese worker after 19-hour shift.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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So what did  I find on the Catholic League website?&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;atholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on efforts to censor Christmas:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
?We haven?t hit December yet and already the politically correct police are out in force trying to censor Christmas. Here?s a sample:&lt;br /&gt;
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? For 75 years, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce sponsored the ?Hollywood Christmas Parade.? When it refused to sponsor the parade this year, the L.A. City Council took over, renaming it the ?Hollywood Santa Parade.?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? The Department of Housing and Urban Development has censored Christmas religious symbols from its housing complexes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? No Christmas decorations are allowed on school buses in parts of Vermont.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? A Jewish public official in Wisconsin wants to rename the State Capitol Holiday Tree the Christmas Tree, but is being opposed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.&lt;br /&gt;
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? Chattanooga has banned a live nativity scene from its public festivities.&lt;br /&gt;
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? Sonoma City Council has nixed religious displays on the Plaza.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? Voters in Berkley, Michigan have forbidden a cr?che at City Hall.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? Fort Collins, Colorado says it is okay to have green and red lights outside city buildings, but only secular symbols are allowed inside.&lt;br /&gt;
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? After Briarcliff Manor, New York was ordered to erect a cr?che next to a menorah, the village elected to ban all religious symbols.&lt;br /&gt;
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? Residents in Olean, New York are fighting over privately owned nativity scenes being displayed in city parks.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? A nativity scene in front of the Ypsilanti Township fire hall in Michigan has been banned.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
? No religious symbols are allowed in Seattle-Tacoma airport, but trees made of cardboard are legit.&lt;br /&gt;
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? Nativity scenes at Texas Tech are not permissible, but a tree is okay. The official in charge says, ?We?re not saying it?s a holiday tree, because it?s a Christmas tree, but we choose to do a tasteful tree that really anybody can embrace.? Great idea!&lt;br /&gt;
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?There you have it. The multicultural monsters are rearing their ugly heads once again, showing what they really mean by tolerance for diversity.?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay! this is a real new low in hypocrisy. I don&#039;t even know what if anything anyone can say in defense of this religion. I know we just don&#039;t want to be forced to participate in their ignorance while recognizing their Constitutional right to indulge in ignorance. But forcing little girls to work themselves to death to support their f---- holidays is more than I can stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about the Chinese communist making Crosses that are sold in NYC cathedrals and went to see if our good friends at the Catholic League had any comment and no, not a single comment about all the media on how St Pats and Trinity sold Crosses made by 15 and 16 year old girls forced to work anywhere from 12 to even 23 hours a day to make these holy kotchkis for Catholics and other Xian folks. They live in dirty disgusting dorms, eat company poor unhealthy food, work with toxic chemicals, and then have the room and board deducted from their pay. Their pay is half the communist minimum wage of 55 cents an hour. </p>
<p>On the cover of the National Labor Committee report that documents these horrid conditions is a quote from one little commie girl who prays:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Jesus, take pity on me. I&#8217;m going to die from exhaustion.&#8221; Chinese worker after 19-hour shift.</p></blockquote>
<p>So what did  I find on the Catholic League website?</p>
<blockquote><p>atholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on efforts to censor Christmas:</p>
<p>?We haven?t hit December yet and already the politically correct police are out in force trying to censor Christmas. Here?s a sample:</p>
<p>? For 75 years, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce sponsored the ?Hollywood Christmas Parade.? When it refused to sponsor the parade this year, the L.A. City Council took over, renaming it the ?Hollywood Santa Parade.?</p>
<p>? The Department of Housing and Urban Development has censored Christmas religious symbols from its housing complexes.</p>
<p>? No Christmas decorations are allowed on school buses in parts of Vermont.</p>
<p>? A Jewish public official in Wisconsin wants to rename the State Capitol Holiday Tree the Christmas Tree, but is being opposed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.</p>
<p>? Chattanooga has banned a live nativity scene from its public festivities.</p>
<p>? Sonoma City Council has nixed religious displays on the Plaza.</p>
<p>? Voters in Berkley, Michigan have forbidden a cr?che at City Hall.</p>
<p>? Fort Collins, Colorado says it is okay to have green and red lights outside city buildings, but only secular symbols are allowed inside.</p>
<p>? After Briarcliff Manor, New York was ordered to erect a cr?che next to a menorah, the village elected to ban all religious symbols.</p>
<p>? Residents in Olean, New York are fighting over privately owned nativity scenes being displayed in city parks.</p>
<p>? A nativity scene in front of the Ypsilanti Township fire hall in Michigan has been banned.</p>
<p>? No religious symbols are allowed in Seattle-Tacoma airport, but trees made of cardboard are legit.</p>
<p>? Nativity scenes at Texas Tech are not permissible, but a tree is okay. The official in charge says, ?We?re not saying it?s a holiday tree, because it?s a Christmas tree, but we choose to do a tasteful tree that really anybody can embrace.? Great idea!</p>
<p>?There you have it. The multicultural monsters are rearing their ugly heads once again, showing what they really mean by tolerance for diversity.?</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay! this is a real new low in hypocrisy. I don&#8217;t even know what if anything anyone can say in defense of this religion. I know we just don&#8217;t want to be forced to participate in their ignorance while recognizing their Constitutional right to indulge in ignorance. But forcing little girls to work themselves to death to support their f&#8212;- holidays is more than I can stand.</p>
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		<title>By: GodFree&Glad</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70392</link>
		<dc:creator>GodFree&Glad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting all that information, Peter.  I&#039;d say what the good Catholics are doing would amount to unforgivable sin except that they&#039;ve worked it out so that there is no unforgiveable sin, so carry on you little Chinese girls, this is just a more recent form of religious torture.&lt;br /&gt;
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And thanks to the Catholic League website for gathering all that information for us.  I found it uplifting!&lt;br /&gt;
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Now and again somebody on this blog says we&#039;re gaining strength and it won&#039;t be long until we are in the majority.  I always wish it was true but count it as wishful thinkiing.  Seeing the list, however, really gives me hope.  Also, I live in town of about 50,000 in the heart of the bible belt with not one, but two xian colleges turning out devout xians, yet we&#039;ve had a lengthy &quot;discussion&quot; running in the Letters to the Editor between atheists and xians now for about three months.  Frankly, I&#039;ve been astounded letters from atheists would be printed for the public to read at will, but it has happened!  Maybe, just maybe, we&#039;ve not as far from the happy day as I think.  I&#039;m crossing my fingers . . . that&#039;s not a xian thing, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting all that information, Peter.  I&#8217;d say what the good Catholics are doing would amount to unforgivable sin except that they&#8217;ve worked it out so that there is no unforgiveable sin, so carry on you little Chinese girls, this is just a more recent form of religious torture.</p>
<p>And thanks to the Catholic League website for gathering all that information for us.  I found it uplifting!</p>
<p>Now and again somebody on this blog says we&#8217;re gaining strength and it won&#8217;t be long until we are in the majority.  I always wish it was true but count it as wishful thinkiing.  Seeing the list, however, really gives me hope.  Also, I live in town of about 50,000 in the heart of the bible belt with not one, but two xian colleges turning out devout xians, yet we&#8217;ve had a lengthy &#8220;discussion&#8221; running in the Letters to the Editor between atheists and xians now for about three months.  Frankly, I&#8217;ve been astounded letters from atheists would be printed for the public to read at will, but it has happened!  Maybe, just maybe, we&#8217;ve not as far from the happy day as I think.  I&#8217;m crossing my fingers . . . that&#8217;s not a xian thing, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: jshanewhit</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/28/the_war_on_xmas_has_begun/comment-page-1#comment-70395</link>
		<dc:creator>jshanewhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations, Godfree on what your town is doing. It is far too easy to just vilify us, if no one explains what our position really is. When I explain my beliefs and philosophy to most, if given the chance, they are shocked that my moral and ethical stance is as good or better than theirs. You can see the gears turning as the new ideas are hitting home. Many begin to see the positive aspects, and fear it much less. I do not win converts, but I do win allies. It is all in the presentation. I am learning to not sound too superior. Know your audience, speak their language. Use their metaphors. &lt;br /&gt;
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The war on christmas is the funniest thing I have ever heard. As far as I know it has been far more bloodless than any war in history. Bell ringers are not even beaten, and not a single casualty to date. Take note of the language used. Public opinion is very easy to manipulate, if you manipulate the meaning of words first. Understanding of psychology is the most powerful tool used by the enemies of reason and by the republican spin gurus. If you can not win with a good argument, just sidestep reason all together. IMHO it is an unethical strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations, Godfree on what your town is doing. It is far too easy to just vilify us, if no one explains what our position really is. When I explain my beliefs and philosophy to most, if given the chance, they are shocked that my moral and ethical stance is as good or better than theirs. You can see the gears turning as the new ideas are hitting home. Many begin to see the positive aspects, and fear it much less. I do not win converts, but I do win allies. It is all in the presentation. I am learning to not sound too superior. Know your audience, speak their language. Use their metaphors. </p>
<p>The war on christmas is the funniest thing I have ever heard. As far as I know it has been far more bloodless than any war in history. Bell ringers are not even beaten, and not a single casualty to date. Take note of the language used. Public opinion is very easy to manipulate, if you manipulate the meaning of words first. Understanding of psychology is the most powerful tool used by the enemies of reason and by the republican spin gurus. If you can not win with a good argument, just sidestep reason all together. IMHO it is an unethical strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amuses me most about the &quot;war&quot; on Christmas all the bullshit about the &quot;meaning of christmas&quot;!  Excuse me, but as a converted catholic, I always thought the &quot;meaning&quot; of christmas was all about the birth of their savior.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Who knew that the real &quot;reason for the season&quot; was christmas lights, religious displays, spending spending spending, commercialization, trees, etc.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Tell me, how much money is WASTED on these gawdy diplays of the season?  In Denver, the city and county building is lit up in an amazingly beautiful fashion.  City workers spend weeks stringing colored lights and a large &quot;lighting ceremony&quot; is held.  Every time I pass it, I wonder if it  makes it a bit hard for the homeless people in the park across the street to get a good night&#039;s sleep!&lt;br /&gt;
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AND, their choice of the word &quot;war&quot; while we have an actual war going on is so disrespectful to those forced to spend the last week of December in Iraq or Afghanistan. &lt;br /&gt;
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I did a search on the casualties of the war on christmas and could find none.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The war in Iraq?  Here you go:  &lt;br /&gt;
http://icasualties.org/oif/&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What amuses me most about the &#8220;war&#8221; on Christmas all the bullshit about the &#8220;meaning of christmas&#8221;!  Excuse me, but as a converted catholic, I always thought the &#8220;meaning&#8221; of christmas was all about the birth of their savior.  </p>
<p>Who knew that the real &#8220;reason for the season&#8221; was christmas lights, religious displays, spending spending spending, commercialization, trees, etc.  </p>
<p>Tell me, how much money is WASTED on these gawdy diplays of the season?  In Denver, the city and county building is lit up in an amazingly beautiful fashion.  City workers spend weeks stringing colored lights and a large &#8220;lighting ceremony&#8221; is held.  Every time I pass it, I wonder if it  makes it a bit hard for the homeless people in the park across the street to get a good night&#8217;s sleep!</p>
<p>AND, their choice of the word &#8220;war&#8221; while we have an actual war going on is so disrespectful to those forced to spend the last week of December in Iraq or Afghanistan. </p>
<p>I did a search on the casualties of the war on christmas and could find none.  </p>
<p>The war in Iraq?  Here you go:  <br />
<a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/" rel="nofollow">http://icasualties.org/oif/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad. &lt;br /&gt;
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War on Christmas casualties:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.wikiality.com/War_On_Christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. </p>
<p>War on Christmas casualties:<br />
<a href="http://www.wikiality.com/War_On_Christmas" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikiality.com/War_On_Christmas</a></p>
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