Yesterday I posted the “naughty and Nice” list, and it occurred to me that they are partially right — there IS a war on Christmas. The reason it’s so confusing is that its players are ALL Christian.
Please note: this list is maintained by the Liberty Council (LC) which is dedicated to imposing it?s version of Christianity on everyone in our country, and the planet
The writers are obviously Christian, but I’m willing to bet that lots, nay ALL of the bad guys on their list (Target, for example)are also run by Christians. THOSE Christians have mostly Christian customers.So where are we Atheists? On the side, shaking our heads and wondering why WE are the ones who are being blamed!I’ll tell you why we’re being blamed, because they are used to blaming us and we are used to taking it. They beat each other up and blame us for the mess, just because they have done so in the past.So YES, Dear Christians, your war on Christmas is indeed real, but it is you who wage war against your brother. You who point the finger. You who organize the boycott.The real culprit is the Christians of Yesteryear who made the terrible mistake of making Christmas a nationAL holiday. In doing so, they force people to take off from work and find something to do. Since a good sized group of the country are not (and never will be) church-going Xtians, what else are they gonna do but make secular aspects of your holy day more prevalent. You want church attendance, they want presents and Santa. And on it goes. Compare to how religious holidays that are NOT National holidays treated, like Yom Kippour, the Jewish holiest day, when Jews go to temple and everyone else goes to work. THAT’s a religious holiday, and that’s what Christmas would be –solemn and special for those who want it — if it was not forced down all our throats.NOTE — this is a prime example of how the church wiggling into the state hurts the church dramatically by forcing itself to be subjected to external forces like capitalism and democracy.Christians HEAR ME! You war against yourselves due to your own actions! DUH!Stop pointing the fingers at Atheists and Jews, and start looking in the mirror.
Hi Barbiebrains!
Do you teach preschoolers? I just interviewed for a 1st grade teaching position today!
Do you ever feel like you’re dealing with preschoolers when you respond to our fundie guests on this blog?
BTW, I liked the link you gave to the Austin Cline article about xmas. I especially liked what he had to say about us celebrating solstice instead of xmas.
Pixel,
What? Another heathen teaching our children? Glad to know there are more atheist teachers out there…Yes, I currently teach PreK but I am working on my library certification ’cause the little buggers are driving me nuts…never a dull moment chasing them down.
The fundies on this site are worse than my kiddoes…at least my kiddoes learn to redo, try again, rethink, learn to make “good choices” and resubmit their work…We are currently learning to count to 100…Good luck with 1st grade…it is a tough one with all the reading requirements and constant testing…Glad you enjoyed Austin Cline. His blog is wonderful.
Comment from: pixel
Wow…what a slip. As if anyone needs any further evidence that the 1st Amendment has been twisted from it’s original intent…
Pixel…can you show me one editorial complaining about Lincoln’s proclamation being unconstitutional…?
And yes…I’ll remind you again…Lincoln was talking about the christian God…
A presidents proclamation has alot more authority then a presidents “private” letter…
Yet…you treat the private letter as law…
No, we see private letters as voicing the true feelings of the letters’ writers, and the public proclamations as nothing more than going along to get along, or playing politics.
Hey Phreedm,
I have no respect for barbaric idiot backward thinking beliefs….
and if I have the right in this country to go to your hell….then why does religion exist in my public life….
and if you tell me that this is a christian nation, suck it up…then I say fuck you…fuck your jesus and fuck your god…because this is a nation that is supposed to unite people with a common forum, not divide people with dumb ideas…
piece
Some Lincoln Quotes for the wackos,
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln
I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.
Abraham Lincoln
The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.
Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln may or may not have been a Christian by your modern standards. But he was surely ruled by reason and the search for truth, which is the very path you have abandoned. If he had been an Atheist, he simply would not have been elected, he would have been murdered. Unfortunately it was his very attempts at reason that did get him murdered. I consider him much more on of us, than one of you.
Who actually takes any “proclamation” from a Politician at face value? Is anyone that gullible? Oh… wait, I answered my own question…
And, I don’t know if this is a real quote from Lincoln (there seem to be a lot of fake ones out there according to some scholars) but this is attributed to him:
Here is a montage of a Fox News war on xmas report to the 12 days of xmas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3lJec7_QbQ
It is funny. I had to watch twice in a row.
Phreedm…
Do you believe language is static or in flux? Is it possible that terms used in the 19th century such as citizen, god, Christian, freedom, American, justice, etc…had a rhetorical value? Who was a citizen in the 19th century? Who was considered “American” in the 19th century? Just wondering…
Aren’t texts meant to be interpreted according to the society that reads them? Do you believe that all meanings are fixed? What exactly was the 19th century American experience from the perspective of a female, an African-American, an Irish immigrant…Not arguing….just curious as to your take on language and interpretation.
Hey toad what happened to:
“God bless you for hanging out here as much as you do, but I don’t know that I have the stomach for it.”
I guess that didn’t work out huh? What ‘s the matter, can’t find friends your own age?
Bernarda:
“Here is a montage of a Fox News war on xmas report to the 12 days of xmas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3lJec7_QbQ“
Too freaking funny! Thanks!
phreedm:
Sorry it’s taken so long for me to respond – I don’t check this blog every day. I don’t know if you’ll be back to check this thread, but here goes . . . . (I’m using the ellipsis in honor of you
I would object to the wording of it if a president of today gave this speech.
Wow…what a slip. As if anyone needs any further evidence that the 1st Amendment has been twisted from it’s original intent…
Pixel…can you show me one editorial complaining about Lincoln’s proclamation being unconstitutional…?
I’m not saying that his proclamation is unconstitutional. However, it is still my right as a citizen to “object” to something – even if it’s constitutional. I don’t want ANY religious holiday to become a federal holiday, and therefore I would not want my president making such a proclamation.
“And yes…I’ll remind you again…Lincoln was talking about the christian God…”
I have no argument with you on this point (except maybe that he was talking about the JUDEO-Christian God). I don’t know what Lincoln’s true religious leanings were, but I don’t doubt that he was addressing this proclamation to the xian majority.
This seems like a proclamation and not a law, so it may not be technically in conflict with the constitution
A presidents proclamation has alot more authority then a presidents “private” letter…
Yet…you treat the private letter as law…
. . . (another ellipsis for you
um, what “private letter” are you talking about?????
phreedm:
I just looked at the above post and it’s not clear who is talking, so I’ll fix it in this post:
ME: Sorry it’s taken so long for me to respond – I don’t check this blog every day. I don’t know if you’ll be back to check this thread, but here goes . . . . (I’m using the ellipsis in honor of you
ME: I would object to the wording of it if a president of today gave this speech.
YOU: Wow…what a slip. As if anyone needs any further evidence that the 1st Amendment has been twisted from it’s original intent…
Pixel…can you show me one editorial complaining about Lincoln’s proclamation being unconstitutional…?
ME: I’m not saying that his proclamation is unconstitutional. However, it is still my right as a citizen to “object” to something – even if it’s constitutional. I don’t want ANY religious holiday to become a federal holiday, and therefore I would not want my president making such a proclamation.
YOU: And yes…I’ll remind you again…Lincoln was talking about the christian God…
ME: I have no argument with you on this point (except maybe that he was talking about the JUDEO-Christian God). I don’t know what Lincoln’s true religious leanings were, but I don’t doubt that he was addressing this proclamation to the xian majority.
ME: This seems like a proclamation and not a law, so it may not be technically in conflict with the constitution
YOU: A presidents proclamation has alot more authority then a presidents “private” letter…
YOU: Yet…you treat the private letter as law…
ME:. . . (another ellipsis for you
um, what “private letter” are you talking about?????
Here’s a link for you:
http://teachingenglishinkorea.blogspot.com/