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		<title>By: Bill Maxfield</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70215</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Maxfield</dc:creator>
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		<description>I applaud the effort to make the U.S. a more secular nation. A rally outside a Supreme Court building seems perfectly appropriate if the purpose is to gain media coverage. However, a rally intending to influence the Court&#039;s decision is an attempt to make the Court base it?s ruling on what used to be called &quot;mobs in the street.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the effort to make the U.S. a more secular nation. A rally outside a Supreme Court building seems perfectly appropriate if the purpose is to gain media coverage. However, a rally intending to influence the Court&#8217;s decision is an attempt to make the Court base it?s ruling on what used to be called &#8220;mobs in the street.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: billh</title>
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		<description>Bill:&lt;br /&gt;
Absolutely agree.</description>
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Absolutely agree.</p>
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		<title>By: GodFree&Glad</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70219</link>
		<dc:creator>GodFree&Glad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me?&lt;br /&gt;
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A &quot;mob in the steet&quot; brings to mind individuals who have spun out of control with violence in the offing.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with gathering outside the court building in an orderly fashion.  As for influencing the court, I doubt a gathering, no matter how large, will have much influence, but at least it sends a message that there are more atheists out here than the xians thought, and probably emboldens other non-believers to step forward in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am really pleased to see atheists coming together to this degree and wish California wasn&#039;t a world away from my homebase so that I could be counted in the numbers.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Sounds as if Michael Newdow may be the next Madlyn Murray, but this time with class maybe. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me?</p>
<p>A &#8220;mob in the steet&#8221; brings to mind individuals who have spun out of control with violence in the offing.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with gathering outside the court building in an orderly fashion.  As for influencing the court, I doubt a gathering, no matter how large, will have much influence, but at least it sends a message that there are more atheists out here than the xians thought, and probably emboldens other non-believers to step forward in the future.</p>
<p>I am really pleased to see atheists coming together to this degree and wish California wasn&#8217;t a world away from my homebase so that I could be counted in the numbers.  </p>
<p>Sounds as if Michael Newdow may be the next Madlyn Murray, but this time with class maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbiebrains</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70220</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbiebrains</dc:creator>
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		<description>Gathering to show support =having a voice.&lt;br /&gt;
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When will ya&#039;ll come to Texas and get rid of the new &quot;one STATE under god&quot; which was inserted in the reconfigured, grammatically bizarre, Texas State Pledge????? What&#039;s next...one homeroom under god? One cafeteria under god???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gathering to show support =having a voice.</p>
<p>When will ya&#8217;ll come to Texas and get rid of the new &#8220;one STATE under god&#8221; which was inserted in the reconfigured, grammatically bizarre, Texas State Pledge????? What&#8217;s next&#8230;one homeroom under god? One cafeteria under god???</p>
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		<title>By: Jack the Toad</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack the Toad</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.&quot; (1816)&lt;br /&gt;
-- First chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Jay&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses ... Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia ... or to the Charter of New England ... or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay ... or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut ... the same objective is present ... a Christian land governed by Christian principles. I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people ... I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- [Liberal] Supreme Court chief justice, Earl Warren&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;... Let me live according to those holy rules which Thou hast this day prescribed in Thy holy word ... Direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ the way, the truth and the life. Bless, O Lord, all the people of this land.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- George Washington&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- George Washington&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- Thomas Jefferson&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;No power over the freedom of religion [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- James Madison&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- John Quincy Adams&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- Grover Cleveland&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;In this actual world, a churchless community, a community where men have abandoned and scoffed at, or ignored their religious needs, is a community on the rapid down-grade.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- Teddy Roosevelt&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Holy Scripture.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- Woodrow Wilson&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;They [the Founding Fathers] were intent upon establishing a Christian commonwealth in accordance with the principle of self-government. They were an inspired body of men. It has been said that God sifted the nations that He might send choice grain into the wilderness ... Who can fail to see it in the hand of Destiny? Who can doubt that it has been guided by a Divine Providence?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- Calvin Coolidge&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
-- John Adams&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let it go folks, you couldn&#039;t be more wrong headed if you tried.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty &#8230; of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.&#8221; (1816)<br />
&#8211; First chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Jay</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses &#8230; Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia &#8230; or to the Charter of New England &#8230; or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay &#8230; or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut &#8230; the same objective is present &#8230; a Christian land governed by Christian principles. I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people &#8230; I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; [Liberal] Supreme Court chief justice, Earl Warren</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Let me live according to those holy rules which Thou hast this day prescribed in Thy holy word &#8230; Direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ the way, the truth and the life. Bless, O Lord, all the people of this land.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; George Washington</p>
<p>&#8220;Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; George Washington</p>
<p>&#8220;Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>&#8220;No power over the freedom of religion [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; James Madison</p>
<p>&#8220;We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government&#8230;[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; John Quincy Adams</p>
<p>&#8220;All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Grover Cleveland</p>
<p>&#8220;In this actual world, a churchless community, a community where men have abandoned and scoffed at, or ignored their religious needs, is a community on the rapid down-grade.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Teddy Roosevelt</p>
<p>&#8220;America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Holy Scripture.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Woodrow Wilson</p>
<p>&#8220;They [the Founding Fathers] were intent upon establishing a Christian commonwealth in accordance with the principle of self-government. They were an inspired body of men. It has been said that God sifted the nations that He might send choice grain into the wilderness &#8230; Who can fail to see it in the hand of Destiny? Who can doubt that it has been guided by a Divine Providence?&#8221;<br />
&#8211; Calvin Coolidge</p>
<p>
&#8220;Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; John Adams</p>
<p>Let it go folks, you couldn&#8217;t be more wrong headed if you tried.</p>
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		<title>By: BobC</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70222</link>
		<dc:creator>BobC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do any other countries have the word &quot;god&quot; on their money, or is only America that stupid?&lt;br /&gt;
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It would be nice if our wall of separation between our governments and religious insanity kept out everything religious, but we&#039;re not even close to that. We have a chaplain talking to himself in the Senate - all sessions of the Senate have been opened with prayer for the past 2 centuries. We have presidential candidates who lie about evolution to please the idiotic everything-is-magic holy rollers. Not long ago, some politicians were actually singing about jesus in Indiana in a government building.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Who knows how many science teachers in our public schools, especially in small towns in the bible belt, throw out evolution to avoid harassment and threats from christian thugs. There is a war against science going on in this country and sane people must fight back. Everything religious must be attacked, so I strongly support this rally in front of the San Francisco Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The problem is religious people, besides being assholes, are just plain stupid. They deserve nothing but ridicule. I&#039;m in favor of more people, especially scientists, telling these people what they are (childish idiots) and telling them they are not going to be allowed to get away with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do any other countries have the word &#8220;god&#8221; on their money, or is only America that stupid?</p>
<p>It would be nice if our wall of separation between our governments and religious insanity kept out everything religious, but we&#8217;re not even close to that. We have a chaplain talking to himself in the Senate &#8211; all sessions of the Senate have been opened with prayer for the past 2 centuries. We have presidential candidates who lie about evolution to please the idiotic everything-is-magic holy rollers. Not long ago, some politicians were actually singing about jesus in Indiana in a government building.</p>
<p>Who knows how many science teachers in our public schools, especially in small towns in the bible belt, throw out evolution to avoid harassment and threats from christian thugs. There is a war against science going on in this country and sane people must fight back. Everything religious must be attacked, so I strongly support this rally in front of the San Francisco Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.</p>
<p>The problem is religious people, besides being assholes, are just plain stupid. They deserve nothing but ridicule. I&#8217;m in favor of more people, especially scientists, telling these people what they are (childish idiots) and telling them they are not going to be allowed to get away with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: 666</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70223</link>
		<dc:creator>666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toad,&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
from the Treaty of Tripoli.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. &quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Thomas Paine&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Thomas Jefferson&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
James Madison&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Seneca&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;I have found christian dogma unintelligible.  Early in life I absented myself from christian assemblies.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Benjamin Franklin&lt;br /&gt;
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There are plenty more! &lt;br /&gt;
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You&#039;re wasting your time here.&lt;br /&gt;
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Once again, lest I forget:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;SUCK IT JESUS&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad,</p>
<p>&#8220;the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion&#8221;<br />
from the Treaty of Tripoli.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. &#8220;<br />
Thomas Paine</p>
<p>&#8220;Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>&#8220;Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise&#8221;<br />
James Madison</p>
<p>&#8220;Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.&#8221;<br />
Seneca</p>
<p>&#8220;I have found christian dogma unintelligible.  Early in life I absented myself from christian assemblies.&#8221;<br />
Benjamin Franklin</p>
<p>
There are plenty more! </p>
<p>You&#8217;re wasting your time here.</p>
<p>Once again, lest I forget:</p>
<p><b>SUCK IT JESUS</b></p>
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		<title>By: BobC</title>
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		<description>Jack the Toad, your quotes only prove politicians used to suck up to stupid people (like you) just like they suck up to stupid voters today. I could come up with just as many quotes supporting our wall of separation, especially from Jefferson who thought christianity was horseshit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Grow up Jack the Toad. Your invisible friend only lives in the small brains of stupid childish brainwashed people, people who are too cowardly to face facts, so they believe they will go to heaven for believing the invisible man in the clouds is real.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
American christians have made our country the laughing-stock of the world. Only the muslim countries come close to matching the stupidity of the Americans. It&#039;s only the muslim terrorists and the American christians who deny evolution in such large numbers. It&#039;s only the muslim terrorists and the American christians who want a theocracy. In America they are not going to be allowed to get away with it, because our constitution and our Bill of Rights were written to keep the stupid majority under control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack the Toad, your quotes only prove politicians used to suck up to stupid people (like you) just like they suck up to stupid voters today. I could come up with just as many quotes supporting our wall of separation, especially from Jefferson who thought christianity was horseshit.</p>
<p>Grow up Jack the Toad. Your invisible friend only lives in the small brains of stupid childish brainwashed people, people who are too cowardly to face facts, so they believe they will go to heaven for believing the invisible man in the clouds is real.</p>
<p>American christians have made our country the laughing-stock of the world. Only the muslim countries come close to matching the stupidity of the Americans. It&#8217;s only the muslim terrorists and the American christians who deny evolution in such large numbers. It&#8217;s only the muslim terrorists and the American christians who want a theocracy. In America they are not going to be allowed to get away with it, because our constitution and our Bill of Rights were written to keep the stupid majority under control.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbiebrains</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/23/pledge_of_allegiance_protest/comment-page-1#comment-70225</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbiebrains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack the Toad..&lt;br /&gt;
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Random quotes are meaningless...Language MUST be contextualized, particularly political speech. Contextualizing and evaluating language means that you have managed to jump from rote definitions to criticism, analysis and (yikes!)...evaluation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hermeneutics: the art and science of interpretation...very useful in life. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack the Toad..</p>
<p>Random quotes are meaningless&#8230;Language MUST be contextualized, particularly political speech. Contextualizing and evaluating language means that you have managed to jump from rote definitions to criticism, analysis and (yikes!)&#8230;evaluation.</p>
<p>Hermeneutics: the art and science of interpretation&#8230;very useful in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nodster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nodster</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ever since David Barton, I seriously question any extremely pro Christian quotes from our founding fathers. Mere mention of god is one thing, but stuff like the nimrod above posted is most likely nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;
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As for reliable anti Christian sentiment from our founding fathers, all anyone has to do is look at, gee, I don&#039;t know, THE ENTIRE FRIGGN&#039; BIBLE RE-WRITTEN BY THOMAS JEFFERSON, The &quot;Age of Reason&quot; by Thomas Paine, and a little something called the Treaty of Tripoli. &lt;br /&gt;
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As for the quotes from our past presidents, so what? The current douche bag in office proves that you don&#039;t have to know the first thing about the ideals of this country to become president. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since David Barton, I seriously question any extremely pro Christian quotes from our founding fathers. Mere mention of god is one thing, but stuff like the nimrod above posted is most likely nonsense.</p>
<p>As for reliable anti Christian sentiment from our founding fathers, all anyone has to do is look at, gee, I don&#8217;t know, THE ENTIRE FRIGGN&#8217; BIBLE RE-WRITTEN BY THOMAS JEFFERSON, The &#8220;Age of Reason&#8221; by Thomas Paine, and a little something called the Treaty of Tripoli. </p>
<p>As for the quotes from our past presidents, so what? The current douche bag in office proves that you don&#8217;t have to know the first thing about the ideals of this country to become president. </p>
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