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		<title>By: JeffXL</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69100</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffXL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad it won&#039;t bankrupt those scumbags!&lt;br /&gt;
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Again: One of the zillions reasons I could never become a Christian? I don&#039;t join hate groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad it won&#8217;t bankrupt those scumbags!</p>
<p>Again: One of the zillions reasons I could never become a Christian? I don&#8217;t join hate groups.</p>
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		<title>By: lsmithlas</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69102</link>
		<dc:creator>lsmithlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually they&#039;ll drag it out in court trying to get it reversed on freedom of speech grounds.  I can&#039;t decide if they&#039;re just high on the publicity or they really believe what they preach.  I mean they never seem to be looking for converts that I&#039;ve seen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fred Phelps scares me more than the KKK at times because I&#039;m not sure when he&#039;s going to go off or why. I truly hope he&#039;s the worst of the, and I use the term loosely, Christian religious fanatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually they&#8217;ll drag it out in court trying to get it reversed on freedom of speech grounds.  I can&#8217;t decide if they&#8217;re just high on the publicity or they really believe what they preach.  I mean they never seem to be looking for converts that I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>Fred Phelps scares me more than the KKK at times because I&#8217;m not sure when he&#8217;s going to go off or why. I truly hope he&#8217;s the worst of the, and I use the term loosely, Christian religious fanatics.</p>
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		<title>By: alatham</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69103</link>
		<dc:creator>alatham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$10,900,000?!?!&lt;br /&gt;
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What?!?&lt;br /&gt;
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What this church does is horrible.  But the message to stop spouting nonsense should come from society, it shouldn&#039;t be enforced by the courts.&lt;br /&gt;
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Past that, how is one family&#039;s grief worth $2.9M?&lt;br /&gt;
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This family is getting 2.9 million dollars not because their song died, but because they had to listen to how one small church hates America?  Why is that worth 2.9 million dollars?&lt;br /&gt;
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This jury is a bunch of nut-cases.  Congrats, you&#039;ve just set the legal precedent for Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress (admittedly to many families) at several eight million dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
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How many other vague laws can we use to throw piles of money at people?&lt;br /&gt;
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Does this mean that everyone speaking up in favor of Evolution owes the Theists a shit-ton of money too?  No doubt the truth is worth tons more &quot;emotional distress&quot; than some family (that everyone knows is crazy) yelling their heads off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$10,900,000?!?!</p>
<p>What?!?</p>
<p>What this church does is horrible.  But the message to stop spouting nonsense should come from society, it shouldn&#8217;t be enforced by the courts.</p>
<p>Past that, how is one family&#8217;s grief worth $2.9M?</p>
<p>This family is getting 2.9 million dollars not because their song died, but because they had to listen to how one small church hates America?  Why is that worth 2.9 million dollars?</p>
<p>This jury is a bunch of nut-cases.  Congrats, you&#8217;ve just set the legal precedent for Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress (admittedly to many families) at several eight million dollars.</p>
<p>How many other vague laws can we use to throw piles of money at people?</p>
<p>Does this mean that everyone speaking up in favor of Evolution owes the Theists a shit-ton of money too?  No doubt the truth is worth tons more &#8220;emotional distress&#8221; than some family (that everyone knows is crazy) yelling their heads off.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69105</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to believe that any nonpyschotic American, religious or otherwise, would take this &quot;church&quot; seriously. I think we are seeing the tip of the sinister iceberg that is the Westboro Baptist Church. My guess is that this church is a front and safe-harbor for some purpose entirely different from the stated one. Just a hunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to believe that any nonpyschotic American, religious or otherwise, would take this &#8220;church&#8221; seriously. I think we are seeing the tip of the sinister iceberg that is the Westboro Baptist Church. My guess is that this church is a front and safe-harbor for some purpose entirely different from the stated one. Just a hunch.</p>
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		<title>By: troydooly</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69106</link>
		<dc:creator>troydooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For centuries people have been using God as a crutch for their covering their own self centered, bigoted sinful attitude. &lt;br /&gt;
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And although they like to take scriptures out of context to spread their hate, it is not the message that authentic followers of Jesus believe. &lt;br /&gt;
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Authentic followers of Jesus, not just  word spouting Christians despise this type of self righteous behavior.&lt;br /&gt;
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As a Marine and authentic follower of Jesus (some call Christians) I want to apologize for these actions. &lt;br /&gt;
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Although some may wonder if one families grief is worth the judgment amount, it does send a solid message. &lt;br /&gt;
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And, I really don&#039;t think the first amendment covers actions of such hate. &lt;br /&gt;
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I think both authentic believers and authentic atheists can agree hate of any kind should not be condoned. &lt;br /&gt;
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And I hope we can come together to fight against such actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Never Give Up,&lt;br /&gt;
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Troy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For centuries people have been using God as a crutch for their covering their own self centered, bigoted sinful attitude. </p>
<p>And although they like to take scriptures out of context to spread their hate, it is not the message that authentic followers of Jesus believe. </p>
<p>Authentic followers of Jesus, not just  word spouting Christians despise this type of self righteous behavior.</p>
<p>As a Marine and authentic follower of Jesus (some call Christians) I want to apologize for these actions. </p>
<p>Although some may wonder if one families grief is worth the judgment amount, it does send a solid message. </p>
<p>And, I really don&#8217;t think the first amendment covers actions of such hate. </p>
<p>I think both authentic believers and authentic atheists can agree hate of any kind should not be condoned. </p>
<p>And I hope we can come together to fight against such actions.</p>
<p>Never Give Up,</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>By: DD Dropout</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69107</link>
		<dc:creator>DD Dropout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen it alleged that the whole point of the Westboro Church protests is to get someone to commit an assault or otherwise make themselves liable to a civil suit.&lt;br /&gt;
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This would seem to put the shoe on the other foot.&lt;br /&gt;
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Good luck on collecting any of the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen it alleged that the whole point of the Westboro Church protests is to get someone to commit an assault or otherwise make themselves liable to a civil suit.</p>
<p>This would seem to put the shoe on the other foot.</p>
<p>Good luck on collecting any of the money.</p>
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		<title>By: FlyingWeasel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69108</link>
		<dc:creator>FlyingWeasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, &lt;br /&gt;
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admittedly, I don&#039;t know how mr phelps comes by whatever money he has, but I doubt that it can be any more than loosely described as &quot;earning&quot; it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, </p>
<p>admittedly, I don&#8217;t know how mr phelps comes by whatever money he has, but I doubt that it can be any more than loosely described as &#8220;earning&#8221; it.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69110</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alatham is right. This is a dangerous precedent. &lt;br /&gt;
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So they are nutcases and their street theater is awful. Free speech means you have the right to express your opinions in public places.&lt;br /&gt;
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Did they threaten anyone with anything other than hellfire and damnation?&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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What a bunch of crap. This sounds like what O&#039;Reilly, Hannity, and such complain about nightly about Liberals on Fox Newsiness.&lt;br /&gt;
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If this decision stands, we&#039;re in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alatham is right. This is a dangerous precedent. </p>
<p>So they are nutcases and their street theater is awful. Free speech means you have the right to express your opinions in public places.</p>
<p>Did they threaten anyone with anything other than hellfire and damnation?</p>
<p>&#8220;defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a bunch of crap. This sounds like what O&#8217;Reilly, Hannity, and such complain about nightly about Liberals on Fox Newsiness.</p>
<p>If this decision stands, we&#8217;re in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69112</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you guys have this wrong about free speech...&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not a Free Speech Issue&lt;br /&gt;
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This is a right for a family to bury one of its members without a club interfering in that very personnel event...&lt;br /&gt;
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Free Speech does not give a right for a group to disparage an individual....in this case a dead individual because this guy followed rules and regulations prescribed by his government....&lt;br /&gt;
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This group of retards can certainly exercise their 1st amendment rights as long as it does not interfere with individual citizens rights....these fuck heads need to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances....not go to private gatherings that are personnel...&lt;br /&gt;
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hope I made my point clearly...not sure I did&lt;br /&gt;
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peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys have this wrong about free speech&#8230;</p>
<p>This is not a Free Speech Issue</p>
<p>This is a right for a family to bury one of its members without a club interfering in that very personnel event&#8230;</p>
<p>Free Speech does not give a right for a group to disparage an individual&#8230;.in this case a dead individual because this guy followed rules and regulations prescribed by his government&#8230;.</p>
<p>This group of retards can certainly exercise their 1st amendment rights as long as it does not interfere with individual citizens rights&#8230;.these fuck heads need to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances&#8230;.not go to private gatherings that are personnel&#8230;</p>
<p>hope I made my point clearly&#8230;not sure I did</p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: alatham</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/11/01/hate_doesn_t_pay/comment-page-1#comment-69114</link>
		<dc:creator>alatham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troy,&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;And although they like to take scriptures out of context to spread their hate, it is not the message that authentic followers of Jesus believe.&lt;br /&gt;
The Bible is pretty clear when it condemns homosexuality.  I think they&#039;re stretching it a bit to say that there&#039;s a clear line between homosexuality and Bad Things, but they&#039;re not stretching the scriptures any more than a Christian who believes that The Bible only teaches peace.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Bible teaches both, it&#039;s up to the nature of the person interpreting it to read what they want to read.&lt;br /&gt;
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Asserting that they aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; Christians is the No True Scotsman fallacy.  It&#039;s simply not true.  If you believe Jesus Christ is your personal savior, then you&#039;re a Christian, no matter how you behave.&lt;br /&gt;
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Moderate Christians (like yourself) need to stop apologizing for the hateful rhetoric that the insane Christians spew.  Tell them off, teach them they&#039;re wrong.  Don&#039;t protect them from criticism by apologizing for them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Charlie and Troy,&lt;br /&gt;
This is absolutely a free speech issue.  There is nothing illegal or wrong about hating the dead.  You could certainly make a case for being a loud public nuisance, and in that you have a good point.  They should be forced to assembly quietly.&lt;br /&gt;
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But the law they used to demand money from these fools has nothing to do with peaceable assembly.  It&#039;s stated quite clearly that they&#039;re being forced to pay up for &quot;Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Case in point:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Fuck Jerry Falwell.  I think he was a horrible person.&quot; - Me.&lt;br /&gt;
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Should I be prosecuted for that?&lt;br /&gt;
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The Westboro Baptist Church is being prosecuted for exactly the same thing that I just did.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the case had read &quot;being a public nuisance&quot; I wouldn&#039;t be railing against it so much.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy,</p>
<blockquote><p>And although they like to take scriptures out of context to spread their hate, it is not the message that authentic followers of Jesus believe.<br />
The Bible is pretty clear when it condemns homosexuality.  I think they&#8217;re stretching it a bit to say that there&#8217;s a clear line between homosexuality and Bad Things, but they&#8217;re not stretching the scriptures any more than a Christian who believes that The Bible only teaches peace.</p>
<p>The Bible teaches both, it&#8217;s up to the nature of the person interpreting it to read what they want to read.</p>
<p>Asserting that they aren&#8217;t <i>real</i> Christians is the No True Scotsman fallacy.  It&#8217;s simply not true.  If you believe Jesus Christ is your personal savior, then you&#8217;re a Christian, no matter how you behave.</p>
<p>Moderate Christians (like yourself) need to stop apologizing for the hateful rhetoric that the insane Christians spew.  Tell them off, teach them they&#8217;re wrong.  Don&#8217;t protect them from criticism by apologizing for them.</p>
<p>Charlie and Troy,<br />
This is absolutely a free speech issue.  There is nothing illegal or wrong about hating the dead.  You could certainly make a case for being a loud public nuisance, and in that you have a good point.  They should be forced to assembly quietly.</p>
<p>But the law they used to demand money from these fools has nothing to do with peaceable assembly.  It&#8217;s stated quite clearly that they&#8217;re being forced to pay up for &#8220;Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.&#8221;</p>
<p>Case in point:<br />
&#8220;Fuck Jerry Falwell.  I think he was a horrible person.&#8221; &#8211; Me.</p>
<p>Should I be prosecuted for that?</p>
<p>The Westboro Baptist Church is being prosecuted for exactly the same thing that I just did.</p>
<p>If the case had read &#8220;being a public nuisance&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t be railing against it so much.</p></blockquote>
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