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		<title>By: RiftPoint</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67700</link>
		<dc:creator>RiftPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So very true!</description>
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		<title>By: david715</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67702</link>
		<dc:creator>david715</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever happened to the golden rule and helping the less fortunate? Isn&#039;t that what christ&#039;s teachings were all about even if he was just a fictional character? I would probably have more respect for xtians if they actually did something xtian instead of getting in my face about what &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; think god wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to the golden rule and helping the less fortunate? Isn&#8217;t that what christ&#8217;s teachings were all about even if he was just a fictional character? I would probably have more respect for xtians if they actually did something xtian instead of getting in my face about what <i>they</i> think god wants.</p>
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		<title>By: RiftPoint</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67705</link>
		<dc:creator>RiftPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but they can confess just before they die (maybe spend a few years in purgatory or whatnot) and then be kickin&#039; it in heaven with jebus and his crew, so why bother following those pesky values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but they can confess just before they die (maybe spend a few years in purgatory or whatnot) and then be kickin&#8217; it in heaven with jebus and his crew, so why bother following those pesky values?</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67707</link>
		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Peter, everyone knows children don&#039;t matter anymore once they are out of the womb. What is wrong with you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Peter, everyone knows children don&#8217;t matter anymore once they are out of the womb. What is wrong with you?</p>
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		<title>By: RiftPoint</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67708</link>
		<dc:creator>RiftPoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, kind of a &quot;your out of the house, so you&#039;re on your own&quot; situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, kind of a &#8220;your out of the house, so you&#8217;re on your own&#8221; situation?</p>
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		<title>By: atomictesting</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67713</link>
		<dc:creator>atomictesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to do something I never do.  I&#039;m siding with Bush on this one (knowing I have little informationon the bill).&lt;br /&gt;
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Why?&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, the truth is that there are already 6.6 million kids being covered by the current bill.  They&#039;re not introducing a &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; bill at all, they&#039;re expanding an old one.&lt;br /&gt;
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When I read statements like what Nancy Pelosi made, &quot;It&#039;s very sad that the president has chosen to veto a bill that would provide health care for ten million American children for the next five years,&quot; the hair just stands up on the back of my neck.&lt;br /&gt;
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Normally a bill isn&#039;t cut and dry.  Many of them are poorly-worded, leading to misuse by the government or &quot;We the People.&quot;  Often both sides will attatch riders to a bill to sneak something into it that didn&#039;t belong in an attempt to sneakily get their pet issue passed or drag the bill down (either way, they win).  They did that with the National ID card, attaching it to a bill to approve funding for the Iraq war and whether or not we agree that we should be in that war or funding it the rider had NO place on the bill and is just plain wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Poor kids first,&quot; Bush said later in explaining his decision, reflecting a concern that some of the bill&#039;s benefits would go to families at higher incomes. &quot;Secondly, I believe in private medicine, not the federal government running the health care system,&quot; he added in remarks to an audience in Lancaster, Pa.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When I read statements like that I&#039;m not convinced that the President is doing this out of malice.  My suspicions are that this bill is as poorly-worded as many of them are and that he&#039;s preventing abuse of it.  If this is true, he did the &lt;i&gt;right thing.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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If it&#039;s equally true that the Democrats intentionally designed this whole fiasco (knowing the President would veto the bill) to make the President look bad (as if they needed to help with that) then &lt;i&gt;shame on them&lt;/i&gt; because they did the &lt;i&gt;wrong thing&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_children_s_health</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to do something I never do.  I&#8217;m siding with Bush on this one (knowing I have little informationon the bill).</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Well, the truth is that there are already 6.6 million kids being covered by the current bill.  They&#8217;re not introducing a <i>new</i> bill at all, they&#8217;re expanding an old one.</p>
<p>When I read statements like what Nancy Pelosi made, &#8220;It&#8217;s very sad that the president has chosen to veto a bill that would provide health care for ten million American children for the next five years,&#8221; the hair just stands up on the back of my neck.</p>
<p>Normally a bill isn&#8217;t cut and dry.  Many of them are poorly-worded, leading to misuse by the government or &#8220;We the People.&#8221;  Often both sides will attatch riders to a bill to sneak something into it that didn&#8217;t belong in an attempt to sneakily get their pet issue passed or drag the bill down (either way, they win).  They did that with the National ID card, attaching it to a bill to approve funding for the Iraq war and whether or not we agree that we should be in that war or funding it the rider had NO place on the bill and is just plain wrong.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Poor kids first,&#8221; Bush said later in explaining his decision, reflecting a concern that some of the bill&#8217;s benefits would go to families at higher incomes. &#8220;Secondly, I believe in private medicine, not the federal government running the health care system,&#8221; he added in remarks to an audience in Lancaster, Pa.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I read statements like that I&#8217;m not convinced that the President is doing this out of malice.  My suspicions are that this bill is as poorly-worded as many of them are and that he&#8217;s preventing abuse of it.  If this is true, he did the <i>right thing.</i></p>
<p>If it&#8217;s equally true that the Democrats intentionally designed this whole fiasco (knowing the President would veto the bill) to make the President look bad (as if they needed to help with that) then <i>shame on them</i> because they did the <i>wrong thing</i>.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_children_s_health" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_children_s_health</a></p>
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		<title>By: Celebrant Prince</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67714</link>
		<dc:creator>Celebrant Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, atomictesting, try this link to educate yourself:&lt;br /&gt;
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Misleading Spin on Children&#039;s Health (Editorial, NY Times)--&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05fri1.html&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the Times, here&#039;s the main problem in just keeping SCHIP as it is:&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;As president, [Bush] is again trying to shrink the program for the entire country.  His proposed five-year budget does not provide enough to continue enrollments at current levels, let alone cover millions of the uninsured&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bush&#039;s agenda is clear:  he wants to see the program dead altogether, and one way to accomplish this is for the program to run out of money, which it will if funded at current levels -- &quot;...does not provide enough to continue enrollments at current levels...&quot;.  Those children already covered will soon find themselves without coverage, and those now without coverage have utterly no hope of getting it unless SCHIP funding is increased.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, you&#039;re with Bush, atomictesting?  You too want to see this program dead?  Somehow, I don&#039;t think you really believe that.  Somehow, I think you&#039;ve bitten on the hook of conservative misinformation.&lt;br /&gt;
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p.s.:  Really, atomictesting, you need to inform yourself before speaking out.  Regarding your final paragraph in your post, in fact this bill to increase SCHIP funding received BROAD BIPARTISAN support in both houses of Congress. &quot;The [House] bill reflects a Senate version that was drafted with great care by key members of both parties&quot;.  (Same NY Times Editorial). It was not in any way a product of sole Democratic making.  Many prominent conservative Republican legislators helped draft and present it to get it passed.  It is a great representation of the will of the majority of the American people.  But Bush says in effect &quot;The people be damned&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, atomictesting, try this link to educate yourself:</p>
<p>Misleading Spin on Children&#8217;s Health (Editorial, NY Times)&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05fri1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/opinion/05fri1.html</a></p>
<p>According to the Times, here&#8217;s the main problem in just keeping SCHIP as it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;As president, [Bush] is again trying to shrink the program for the entire country.  His proposed five-year budget does not provide enough to continue enrollments at current levels, let alone cover millions of the uninsured&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bush&#8217;s agenda is clear:  he wants to see the program dead altogether, and one way to accomplish this is for the program to run out of money, which it will if funded at current levels &#8212; &#8220;&#8230;does not provide enough to continue enrollments at current levels&#8230;&#8221;.  Those children already covered will soon find themselves without coverage, and those now without coverage have utterly no hope of getting it unless SCHIP funding is increased.</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re with Bush, atomictesting?  You too want to see this program dead?  Somehow, I don&#8217;t think you really believe that.  Somehow, I think you&#8217;ve bitten on the hook of conservative misinformation.</p>
<p>p.s.:  Really, atomictesting, you need to inform yourself before speaking out.  Regarding your final paragraph in your post, in fact this bill to increase SCHIP funding received BROAD BIPARTISAN support in both houses of Congress. &#8220;The [House] bill reflects a Senate version that was drafted with great care by key members of both parties&#8221;.  (Same NY Times Editorial). It was not in any way a product of sole Democratic making.  Many prominent conservative Republican legislators helped draft and present it to get it passed.  It is a great representation of the will of the majority of the American people.  But Bush says in effect &#8220;The people be damned&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: atomictesting</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67716</link>
		<dc:creator>atomictesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a Hardball debate on this issue (video).&lt;br /&gt;
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http://tinyurl.com/2f6mf5&lt;br /&gt;
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I can&#039;t find a reason not to stand by my previous statements.  People making $60,000-$80,000 a year can afford health care for their kids.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is tax and spend, it is &quot;creeping sociali$m&quot; just like they&#039;re saying it is and it&#039;s playing politics with a bill to smear the GOP.  The Democrats were planning to spend tax revenue &lt;i&gt;they don&#039;t even have.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I can&#039;t stand what the GOP has done to our country and I didn&#039;t think I could find an issue that would make me despise the Democrats equally.  This is that issue and it&#039;s just plain dirty politics.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, Peter.  This issue has nothing to do with atheists or atheism.  We&#039;re not all Democrats (or Republicans for that matter).  I can&#039;t side with you on it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a Hardball debate on this issue (video).</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2f6mf5" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2f6mf5</a></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find a reason not to stand by my previous statements.  People making $60,000-$80,000 a year can afford health care for their kids.</p>
<p>This is tax and spend, it is &#8220;creeping sociali$m&#8221; just like they&#8217;re saying it is and it&#8217;s playing politics with a bill to smear the GOP.  The Democrats were planning to spend tax revenue <i>they don&#8217;t even have.</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand what the GOP has done to our country and I didn&#8217;t think I could find an issue that would make me despise the Democrats equally.  This is that issue and it&#8217;s just plain dirty politics.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Peter.  This issue has nothing to do with atheists or atheism.  We&#8217;re not all Democrats (or Republicans for that matter).  I can&#8217;t side with you on it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: atomictesting</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67717</link>
		<dc:creator>atomictesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celebrant Prince,&lt;br /&gt;
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Read the big, bold word at the top of the page you linked... &quot;Opinion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celebrant Prince,</p>
<p>Read the big, bold word at the top of the page you linked&#8230; &#8220;Opinion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/05/unchristian/comment-page-1#comment-67720</link>
		<dc:creator>alexatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first, and probably only time, I&#039;m with Bush on this one.  The SCHIP programme is sociali$ed medicine which just doesn&#039;t work.  Privatised health care is the only solution that makes sense-just ask my auntie back in Wales who has been waiting years for her NHS gall bladder surgery.  Anyway, when did access to healthcare become an entitelment in this country instead of the privelege that it is?  Many people think that &quot;free&quot; healthcare really is free and they don&#039;t understand that it is paid for by raising taxes.  Why should I pay for some poor kid&#039;s medical care (and since when is a family making up to $80K a year considered poor?)?  Don&#039;t breed so many damn kids if you can&#039;t afford to take care of them.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first, and probably only time, I&#8217;m with Bush on this one.  The SCHIP programme is sociali$ed medicine which just doesn&#8217;t work.  Privatised health care is the only solution that makes sense-just ask my auntie back in Wales who has been waiting years for her NHS gall bladder surgery.  Anyway, when did access to healthcare become an entitelment in this country instead of the privelege that it is?  Many people think that &#8220;free&#8221; healthcare really is free and they don&#8217;t understand that it is paid for by raising taxes.  Why should I pay for some poor kid&#8217;s medical care (and since when is a family making up to $80K a year considered poor?)?  Don&#8217;t breed so many damn kids if you can&#8217;t afford to take care of them.</p>
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