I am from the other school. Instead of thinking something is wrong with Atheists, I think there is something seriously wrong with Christians. In my world, the stigma is against those who claim to be Christians. Know how to tell a Christian Values Voter? He’s the one checking out who is in the restroom stalls and then tapping his foot and waving his hand under the stall. He’s the one on Meth purchasing a blow job.Okay, those are only individual bad Christians. And they are not even the really disgusting Christians. The truly disgusting Christians are the ones who voted for majority representation in the House and Senate and then elected a President who came into office and vetoed all health care for little children in America. The Christian Values Voters are totally to blame for this shame in our country. The Christian Value Voters are disgusting, barbarian, immoral lowlifes.Now comes a book prepared by a California Christian that provides data on how young people in the United States agree that these people who claim to be the Christian Value Voters are not really very Christian at all. Check out the link in the title to this posting.So don’t worry so much about the negativity of being an Atheist. Just remember, it is still better than being one of those lowlife Christians who go around vetoing child care for little babies in America. I wouldn’t be one of those people no matter what you called me.Peter Nuhn
From what I can see this thread has gotten a little off subject “Unchristian”.
As a follower of Jesus and former “unchristian” I have to say that what I have read on this post about how Christan’s act is true.
I wrote my own ;ost on this subject at my blog TroyDooly.com titled “Confession of a Pompous Christain.”
John 3:17 states it best, Jesus spoke these words “I did not come to condemn the world, but to save the world.”
So, I am not sure why Christians find it so important to condemn everyone or everything we don’t understand. It is sure not what Jesus did or taught.
troy,
Were you there when the alleged jesus allegedly said anything?
To date there is NO contemporary evidence of the existence of this mythical figure!
Compare your myth to this one:
which predates yours by 600 or so years.
666,
Thanks for the short comment.
Since you used the words “contemporary evidence” I am sure you already know that very little if anything has been found that was written specifically by JESUS,or that has been dated as written directly to events as they happened.
However, if we go to the father of logic Aristotle and apply “First principles” I am sure we would be able to come to a logical conclusion on the evidence (if any) of a historical Jesus.
My comment was completely aimed at the context of the original post
Quote from above – “I am from the other school. Instead of thinking something is wrong with Atheists, I think there is something seriously wrong with Christians.”
In which I used the words of Jesus as recorded down through history in the Bible.
I made it clear when I joined this blog, my intention at being here is not to push my personal beliefs down anyones throat.
If would be very rude of me as a guest to change my intentions.
I am here to learn and understand why you and others do not believe the way I do, not to change your beliefs.
I will be reviewing the link above to learn more.
I can say this. In your parting comment “Predates your by 600 years.” That may be a little off base. Christianity is based on the ancient Hebrew people, which were founded by Abraham around 2000bc.
The religion known as christianity is based on christ. Hence the name. The ancient hebrew religion is called judaism.
I think that if you start calling jews christians and vice versa, you may be opening up a can of worms you may wish you hadn’t.
Regardless, they’re both based on mythology, ignorance and lies.
You are using “hearsay evidence” in regards to what a presumed (on your part)person said. Try using the word “alleged” when referring to such statements. It’s a little more honest.
Thank you for commenting on what I wrote.
I do have one question based on the few things you have written.
Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt using contemporary eveidence that there is no God, or that the historical figure known as Jesus never existed.
This would help me to better understand where you are coming from.
Based on your last comments, I can see that either you left out some of your knowledge or you just do not know the history of Judaism and Christianity.
This will help me to better understand your last post.
I’m your God idea. I command you, to go away ugly troll. Will you disobey the order of your god idea?
Look out the holy spooky ghost is watching you!
Do you have the guts to shame your God idea?
troy,
At first glance, I have to assume that you are unaware as to the meaning of the word atheist (of which I am one example).
I was going to use the word ignorant but, I know some people attach a negative stigma to that word unnecessarily. For example: I am personally ignorant in regards to how to perform neurosurgery. Yet, if I were going to discuss that topic intelligently, I would take it upon myself to become better educated on the subject before bringing it up.
If, after becoming well informed on the facts regarding the subject, I chose to ignore said facts (in favor of having already made up my mind instead), I could legitimately be called “willfully ignorant”. That term does have a negative stigma attached as well it should.
One display of regular ignorance is in what you are implying in the text of the blockquote below.
One can be atheist in regard to many things. It indicates “a” (“lack of” or “without”)and “theist” (“believer”). There are some who would go so far as to assert “I believe there is no god.” but, that is not the same statement as “I don’t believe there is/are [a] god/s.”
As I don’t know the level of your education, I hope you won’t take offense when I tell you this is a distinction which most people should have learned before graduating “high school”.
All the above is in order to analyse what you wrote here
You are displaying your ignorance again in the use of logical fallacies.
The first one is called a “Strawman”, in which you imply someone said something (which they actually did not) and move to destroy that (non-existent) argument in order to try to make yourself look smarter.
The second is called “Shifting the Burden of Proof”. The person making an assertion (in this case as to the existence of a god(s) is the one that has to back up their statement with evidence. If I say I have an invisible dragon in my garage, you have every right to say “I don’t/won’t believe you until you provide the evidence. I would be stupid for me to require you to prove that such a creature doesn’t exist.
I think I have been patient and have spent far more time on this than I had intended. If you are indeed sincere about educating yourself on these matters, I suggest you do a little homework on your own beforehand. You might even try some of the resources listed on the right hand side of the main page.
Failure to make an effort on your part will indicate that you’re merely here to be pissy. If that’s the case, you ought to cease behaving like a sneak in posting on a subject which had ended a week previously and which the average poster here would not see or respond to.
Troy:
I’ll 1 up you on this.
I believe in a little pink teapot circling the earth. Can you prove beyond a ‘shadow of a doubt’ that it doesn’t?
(Russel’s teapot, if you’re curious as to the analogy)
666,
Thank you for the genuine reply. I am very ignorant to all that atheists believe.
As I wrote in my first post I am here to learn, not to debate what I believe.
I know both of the authors of unChristian and after reading it, I realized how much I did not know.
You are correct I should have focused on the date of the post, when I first wrote.
I will take your advice go through the links and educate myself deeper.
Again, thank you for being patient. I think all my responses show I am not here to be pissy or to change how anyone else believes.
Troy,
Although I can’t/don’t speak for anyone else other than myself, if you respond in the manner which you have in your last post, you may find that there are many folks here that will respond politely in kind.
One of the posters here goes by the screen name of “spanders”, and for the most part, is welcome here. He has shown that he accepts the caveat:
Since you mentioned looking at the links, one that I particularly like is:
http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com
The quality of the presentation may not be perfect, but it raises some very interesting points.
There are others on this site from whom you might gain different perspectives by introducing yourself in a current posting. Sure, some will mock,etc., but if you are sincere and don’t start preaching, there are many insights available.
Good luck.