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	<title>Comments on: Students learn the TRUE meaning of Patriotism</title>
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		<title>By: david715</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67360</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67361</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to the principle for supporting the rights of the students to protest.  I haven&#039;t heard if any action was taken against the kids who participated, but I read where the principle was at least understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the principle for supporting the rights of the students to protest.  I haven&#8217;t heard if any action was taken against the kids who participated, but I read where the principle was at least understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67362</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for standing up for real American values and defending the Constitution.  These kids were brave to go against peer pressure and commit this act of noncompliance against religious bullying.  &lt;br /&gt;
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This episode makes me want to ask why do so many xians always proclaim that America was founded as a xian nation by xians when exactly the opposite is true?  When I learned American history I was taught that the Founding Fathers founded our nation with a strong wall between church and state, for the protection of both, because they had seen the negative impact on liberty from  state mandated religion in Europe.  I learned that European immigrants saw America as a way to escape religious persecution back home.  What history books are xians reading where a fantasy group of evangelical xian Founding Fathers established a state church which was a branch of the government?  Why don&#039;t they get challenged more when they revise history?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for standing up for real American values and defending the Constitution.  These kids were brave to go against peer pressure and commit this act of noncompliance against religious bullying.  </p>
<p>This episode makes me want to ask why do so many xians always proclaim that America was founded as a xian nation by xians when exactly the opposite is true?  When I learned American history I was taught that the Founding Fathers founded our nation with a strong wall between church and state, for the protection of both, because they had seen the negative impact on liberty from  state mandated religion in Europe.  I learned that European immigrants saw America as a way to escape religious persecution back home.  What history books are xians reading where a fantasy group of evangelical xian Founding Fathers established a state church which was a branch of the government?  Why don&#8217;t they get challenged more when they revise history?</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67363</link>
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		<description>Digi Eyes&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Bill O&#039;Reilly was already &quot;outraged&quot; over this story this past Friday night.&lt;br /&gt;
Isn&#039;t it about time for him to start pissing and moaning about the non existent &quot;War on Xmas&quot;?  It seems to have become his own one man crusade these past couple years.  &lt;br /&gt;
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If any of you have kids in public schools who are expected to recite the pledge with the words &quot;under god&quot; in it please sit them down and talk about their options.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digi Eyes</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bill O&#8217;Reilly was already &#8220;outraged&#8221; over this story this past Friday night.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it about time for him to start pissing and moaning about the non existent &#8220;War on Xmas&#8221;?  It seems to have become his own one man crusade these past couple years.  </p>
<p>If any of you have kids in public schools who are expected to recite the pledge with the words &#8220;under god&#8221; in it please sit them down and talk about their options.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67366</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,&lt;br /&gt;
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That is great advice.  I have instructed my children that if &#039;they&#039; feel uncomfortable saying the &quot;unter Gott&quot; part, they need only remain silent for that brief moment, and continue on with the rest of the pledge.&lt;br /&gt;
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When they get older, maybe they will stand out in the hall whenever the pledge is said.  I don&#039;t know.  It will be up to them.  I will not push them one way or the other.  I will only support them, whatever they do.&lt;br /&gt;
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Right now, they are both in a class with less than 20 students, and at their age, they would be ostracized without a doubt.  Besides, I really have no problem with the secular part of the pledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>That is great advice.  I have instructed my children that if &#8216;they&#8217; feel uncomfortable saying the &#8220;unter Gott&#8221; part, they need only remain silent for that brief moment, and continue on with the rest of the pledge.</p>
<p>When they get older, maybe they will stand out in the hall whenever the pledge is said.  I don&#8217;t know.  It will be up to them.  I will not push them one way or the other.  I will only support them, whatever they do.</p>
<p>Right now, they are both in a class with less than 20 students, and at their age, they would be ostracized without a doubt.  Besides, I really have no problem with the secular part of the pledge.</p>
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