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		<title>By: david715</title>
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		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.</description>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to the principle for supporting the rights of the students to protest.  I haven&#039;t heard if any action was taken against the kids who participated, but I read where the principle was at least understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the principle for supporting the rights of the students to protest.  I haven&#8217;t heard if any action was taken against the kids who participated, but I read where the principle was at least understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67362</link>
		<dc:creator>alexatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for standing up for real American values and defending the Constitution.  These kids were brave to go against peer pressure and commit this act of noncompliance against religious bullying.  &lt;br /&gt;
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This episode makes me want to ask why do so many xians always proclaim that America was founded as a xian nation by xians when exactly the opposite is true?  When I learned American history I was taught that the Founding Fathers founded our nation with a strong wall between church and state, for the protection of both, because they had seen the negative impact on liberty from  state mandated religion in Europe.  I learned that European immigrants saw America as a way to escape religious persecution back home.  What history books are xians reading where a fantasy group of evangelical xian Founding Fathers established a state church which was a branch of the government?  Why don&#039;t they get challenged more when they revise history?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for standing up for real American values and defending the Constitution.  These kids were brave to go against peer pressure and commit this act of noncompliance against religious bullying.  </p>
<p>This episode makes me want to ask why do so many xians always proclaim that America was founded as a xian nation by xians when exactly the opposite is true?  When I learned American history I was taught that the Founding Fathers founded our nation with a strong wall between church and state, for the protection of both, because they had seen the negative impact on liberty from  state mandated religion in Europe.  I learned that European immigrants saw America as a way to escape religious persecution back home.  What history books are xians reading where a fantasy group of evangelical xian Founding Fathers established a state church which was a branch of the government?  Why don&#8217;t they get challenged more when they revise history?</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67363</link>
		<dc:creator>alexatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digi Eyes&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Bill O&#039;Reilly was already &quot;outraged&quot; over this story this past Friday night.&lt;br /&gt;
Isn&#039;t it about time for him to start pissing and moaning about the non existent &quot;War on Xmas&quot;?  It seems to have become his own one man crusade these past couple years.  &lt;br /&gt;
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If any of you have kids in public schools who are expected to recite the pledge with the words &quot;under god&quot; in it please sit them down and talk about their options.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digi Eyes</p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder if this will make it on Faux News.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bill O&#8217;Reilly was already &#8220;outraged&#8221; over this story this past Friday night.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it about time for him to start pissing and moaning about the non existent &#8220;War on Xmas&#8221;?  It seems to have become his own one man crusade these past couple years.  </p>
<p>If any of you have kids in public schools who are expected to recite the pledge with the words &#8220;under god&#8221; in it please sit them down and talk about their options.  </p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,&lt;br /&gt;
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That is great advice.  I have instructed my children that if &#039;they&#039; feel uncomfortable saying the &quot;unter Gott&quot; part, they need only remain silent for that brief moment, and continue on with the rest of the pledge.&lt;br /&gt;
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When they get older, maybe they will stand out in the hall whenever the pledge is said.  I don&#039;t know.  It will be up to them.  I will not push them one way or the other.  I will only support them, whatever they do.&lt;br /&gt;
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Right now, they are both in a class with less than 20 students, and at their age, they would be ostracized without a doubt.  Besides, I really have no problem with the secular part of the pledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>That is great advice.  I have instructed my children that if &#8216;they&#8217; feel uncomfortable saying the &#8220;unter Gott&#8221; part, they need only remain silent for that brief moment, and continue on with the rest of the pledge.</p>
<p>When they get older, maybe they will stand out in the hall whenever the pledge is said.  I don&#8217;t know.  It will be up to them.  I will not push them one way or the other.  I will only support them, whatever they do.</p>
<p>Right now, they are both in a class with less than 20 students, and at their age, they would be ostracized without a doubt.  Besides, I really have no problem with the secular part of the pledge.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Otherwise, they said, they plan to walk out each Thursday when the pledge is read and recite their version, which omits the reference to God and adds allegiance to constitutional rights, diversity and freedom, among other things.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Boulder High has a highly diverse population, not all of whom believe in God, or one God,&quot; said Emma Martens, a senior and president of the club, which has about a dozen members.&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;We didn&#039;t think it was fair for the whole school to have to listen to it. It&#039;s almost religious oppression,&quot; she said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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They plan to keep doing this each Thursday! Hurrah for them! And the principal seems to be level-headed too. &lt;br /&gt;
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I thought the students&#039; idea of moving the pledge to lunch time was a good one. That way it doesn&#039;t take away from education time. But that has already been nixed. &lt;br /&gt;
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Will have to follow this story and see what else happens. Good to know there are motivated young freethinkers out there.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Otherwise, they said, they plan to walk out each Thursday when the pledge is read and recite their version, which omits the reference to God and adds allegiance to constitutional rights, diversity and freedom, among other things.</p>
<p>&#8220;Boulder High has a highly diverse population, not all of whom believe in God, or one God,&#8221; said Emma Martens, a senior and president of the club, which has about a dozen members.</p>
<p>&#8220;We didn&#8217;t think it was fair for the whole school to have to listen to it. It&#8217;s almost religious oppression,&#8221; she said. </p></blockquote>
<p>They plan to keep doing this each Thursday! Hurrah for them! And the principal seems to be level-headed too. </p>
<p>I thought the students&#8217; idea of moving the pledge to lunch time was a good one. That way it doesn&#8217;t take away from education time. But that has already been nixed. </p>
<p>Will have to follow this story and see what else happens. Good to know there are motivated young freethinkers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: what</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67369</link>
		<dc:creator>what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rationality. Coming to a high school near you. &lt;br /&gt;
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Bravo. Those are some courageous students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rationality. Coming to a high school near you. </p>
<p>Bravo. Those are some courageous students.</p>
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		<title>By: IVORY GIRL</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVORY GIRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any minute now Phreedm is going to post and anyone like to bet on what his post will say.Let me have a go!!&lt;br /&gt;
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This is a Xtian nation founded by Xtians.&lt;br /&gt;
The Treaty of Tripoli was a bad translation.&lt;br /&gt;
This is one nation under God,(his God) and if you don&#039;t like it leave.&lt;br /&gt;
The separation of church and state is&lt;br /&gt;
false.&lt;br /&gt;
We have majority rule,so Xtianity rules. add nauseam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any minute now Phreedm is going to post and anyone like to bet on what his post will say.Let me have a go!!</p>
<p>This is a Xtian nation founded by Xtians.<br />
The Treaty of Tripoli was a bad translation.<br />
This is one nation under God,(his God) and if you don&#8217;t like it leave.<br />
The separation of church and state is<br />
false.<br />
We have majority rule,so Xtianity rules. add nauseam.</p>
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		<title>By: alexatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ren,&lt;br /&gt;
Advise your kids to stand and recite the pledge but skip over saying the words &quot;under god&quot; which in a classroom full of kids no one will notice.  This is an easy out for them which allows them to still be true to their convictions.&lt;br /&gt;
When I was in high school me and a muslim girl were the only ones who sat during the Pledge due to the words &quot;under god&quot;.  We never were questioned or bothered by other students but of course it was a class of advanced placement kids so I would expect as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ren,<br />
Advise your kids to stand and recite the pledge but skip over saying the words &#8220;under god&#8221; which in a classroom full of kids no one will notice.  This is an easy out for them which allows them to still be true to their convictions.<br />
When I was in high school me and a muslim girl were the only ones who sat during the Pledge due to the words &#8220;under god&#8221;.  We never were questioned or bothered by other students but of course it was a class of advanced placement kids so I would expect as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/students_learn_the_true_meaning_of_patri/comment-page-1#comment-67380</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Unknown, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;re tracking!!!  AKA: We&#039;re on the same wavelength, or, you&#039;re reading my cue c@rds.&lt;br /&gt;
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As my grandmother used to say:  Great minds think alike ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
We&#8217;re tracking!!!  AKA: We&#8217;re on the same wavelength, or, you&#8217;re reading my cue c@rds.</p>
<p>As my grandmother used to say:  Great minds think alike <img src='http://atheists.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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