When will these dumb ideas just fade away….

and how old is Phreedumb?

I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles…

WRONG. There is only one christian principle: love the christian god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

That principle does not appear in any of this nation’s founding documents.

You forgot to mention “Push your political agendas by pandering to the religious”.

Or is that something that only politicians do?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_po/conservatives_third_party;_ylt=AgmvumMUtrybEuaHSQNC87Ws0NUE

The straight-forward words of the delegates during their convention and deliberations, as scrupulously and assiduously recorded and transcribed by Madison, monumentally stand as their affirmation that they explicitly understood the nature of the task before them: to define, constitutionally, the what, when, where, who, how, and why that this new nation was to be, and that this work was no mere academic stage show, but was rather a do-or-perish juncture of human progress. To them, something completely different was demanded if the newly independent states were to escape a premature demise. They knew that a national government was the only viable option. Precisely how this government was to be structured and implemented was the job they set their hand to.

From the beginning, one mandate was crystal clear: it had to be the people’s national government; a national government of, for, and by the people. On this question, “God” had little, if any, regard in their deliberations, motions, resolutions, or intent. The debates of 1787 were about the American people and the forging of their constitution. They were not about God or The Holy Bible. No part of the Bible was referred to in any of their speeches or written motions except in a very passing manner on very few occasions. Certainly not one single article of the constitution they collectively authored and signed has as its origin any words that are referenced to any biblical citation. Not one!

Senator John McCain — Panderer in Cheap.

Off topic and perhaps suited for another thread, but it would be interesting to discuss the role of the monks in Myanmar and how their religious affiliation made this protest viable and how this protest compares to previous student lead protests.

You should read the Federalist Papers too, if you haven’t already. There’s almost nothing about religion at all. Madison is mostly concerned with factions grabbing too much power in the government and special interests taking over. I wish more people would read this stuff, so they can sift through the bs that guys like McCain shovel out.