Comments on: McCain makes it clear — fact comes secondary to politics. http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:05:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: charlie http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda/comment-page-1#comment-67391 charlie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-67391 McCain is still alive?<br /> <br /> When will these dumb ideas just fade away....<br /> <br /> and how old is Phreedumb? McCain is still alive?

When will these dumb ideas just fade away….

and how old is Phreedumb?

]]> By: Rusty Shackleford http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda/comment-page-1#comment-67392 Rusty Shackleford Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-67392 McCain<blockquote>I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles...</blockquote>WRONG. There is only one christian principle: love the christian god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. <br /> <br /> That principle does not appear in any of this nation's founding documents. McCain
I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles…

WRONG. There is only one christian principle: love the christian god with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

That principle does not appear in any of this nation’s founding documents.

]]> By: alatham http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda/comment-page-1#comment-67393 alatham Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-67393 Rusty,<br /> <br /> You forgot to mention "Push your political agendas by pandering to the religious".<br /> <br /> Or is that something that only politicians do? Rusty,

You forgot to mention “Push your political agendas by pandering to the religious”.

Or is that something that only politicians do?

]]> By: stilhorn http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda/comment-page-1#comment-67394 stilhorn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-67394 This is unrelated, but apparently Christen conservatives are considering a new party.<br /> <br /> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_po/conservatives_third_party;_ylt=AgmvumMUtrybEuaHSQNC87Ws0NUE This is unrelated, but apparently Christen conservatives are considering a new party.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071001/ap_po/conservatives_third_party;_ylt=AgmvumMUtrybEuaHSQNC87Ws0NUE

]]> By: Celebrant Prince http://atheists.org/blog/2007/10/01/mccain_makes_it_clear_fact_comes_seconda/comment-page-1#comment-67397 Celebrant Prince Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-67397 James Madison's notes taken during his tenure as a delegate to the constitutional convention are compiled in Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 (1987, Prometheus Books, edited by Gaillard Hunt and James Brown Scott) are dry reading, to be sure, but if you diligently trudge through it a certain conclusion becomes inevitable.<br /> <br /> The straight-forward words of the delegates during their convention and deliberations, as scrupulously and assiduously recorded and transcribed by Madison, monumentally stand as their affirmation that they explicitly understood the nature of the task before them: to define, constitutionally, the what, when, where, who, how, and why that this new nation was to be, and that this work was no mere academic stage show, but was rather a do-or-perish juncture of human progress. To them, something completely different was demanded if the newly independent states were to escape a premature demise. They knew that a national government was the only viable option. Precisely how this government was to be structured and implemented was the job they set their hand to.<br /> <br /> From the beginning, one mandate was crystal clear: it had to be the people's national government; a national government of, for, and by the people. On this question, "God" had little, if any, regard in their deliberations, motions, resolutions, or intent. The debates of 1787 were about the American people and the forging of their constitution. They were not about God or The Holy Bible. No part of the Bible was referred to in any of their speeches or written motions except in a very passing manner on very few occasions. Certainly not one single article of the constitution they collectively authored and signed has as its origin any words that are referenced to any biblical citation. Not one!<br /> <br /> Senator John McCain -- Panderer in Cheap. James Madison’s notes taken during his tenure as a delegate to the constitutional convention are compiled in Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 (1987, Prometheus Books, edited by Gaillard Hunt and James Brown Scott) are dry reading, to be sure, but if you diligently trudge through it a certain conclusion becomes inevitable.

The straight-forward words of the delegates during their convention and deliberations, as scrupulously and assiduously recorded and transcribed by Madison, monumentally stand as their affirmation that they explicitly understood the nature of the task before them: to define, constitutionally, the what, when, where, who, how, and why that this new nation was to be, and that this work was no mere academic stage show, but was rather a do-or-perish juncture of human progress. To them, something completely different was demanded if the newly independent states were to escape a premature demise. They knew that a national government was the only viable option. Precisely how this government was to be structured and implemented was the job they set their hand to.

From the beginning, one mandate was crystal clear: it had to be the people’s national government; a national government of, for, and by the people. On this question, “God” had little, if any, regard in their deliberations, motions, resolutions, or intent. The debates of 1787 were about the American people and the forging of their constitution. They were not about God or The Holy Bible. No part of the Bible was referred to in any of their speeches or written motions except in a very passing manner on very few occasions. Certainly not one single article of the constitution they collectively authored and signed has as its origin any words that are referenced to any biblical citation. Not one!

Senator John McCain — Panderer in Cheap.

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