http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695209108,00.html
LDS CHURCH FINALLY ISSUES APOLOGY FOR FAITH-BASED MASSACRE”The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued along-awaited apology today for the massacre of an immigrantwagon train by local church members 150 years ago in southwesternUtah. Elder Henry B. Eyring of the Quorum of the Twelve read thechurch’s statement on assignment from the church’s governing FirstPresidency during a memorial ceremony at the grave site of some ofthe massacre victims at Mountain Meadows, about 35 miles northwestof St. George. The statement also places blame for the Sept. 11,1857, massacre on the local church leaders at the time and churchmembers who followed their orders to murder some 120 unarmed men,women and children. “
No. Mitt had nothing to do with this, and probably does not condone masacre (see! I’m getting better). BUT, for the record, he wears magic underwear. Just thought I’d mention it.
Now Mitt supports the slaughter of Iraqis. My look how far the mormons have come since then.
Checking a site about mormon magic underwear, I found this.
“The white color symbolizes purity and the length and cut of the garment helps assure modesty in dress and appearance. The garment bears several simple marks related to gospel principles of obedience, truth, and discipleship in Christ.”
So they keep christ close to their privates.
“It reminds the wearer of the continuing need for repentance and obedience to God, the need to honor binding covenants voluntarily made in the temple, and the need to cherish and share truth and virtue in our daily living. By so doing, the garment helps the wearer to focus his or her life on Jesus Christ and to thereby lay claim on the blessings promised to those who do so.”
Sounds a bit preverted to me, but they say it is sacred, not magic or secret.
John Safran has a video about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsXzHLiHTOU
BTW, here is what the Mittster apparently believes in, besides his magic underwear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo&mode=related&search=
Aww, That’s ok then. They said sorry.
They do still believe that black people are black as punishment though, Right? No apology for being racist assholes, yet. (i wont hold my breath)
I see no apology to the Paiute Indians, the people THEY BLAMED IT ON and who SUFFERED RETRIBUTIVE ATTACKS from both settlers and the US Army.
Oh well, who cares about the Indians anyway, huh?
My Mormon wife also wears the “garments”. She says they do not represent any sort of “spiritual protection” i.e. “magic”. The undergarments are meant to symbolize the very close relationship (too close, for my comfort) between the individual, her faith, and her church. Truth is, she wears them more out of habit than anything else. After thirty years in the church, donning these undergarments daily is just her way of life. There are times when she doesn’t wear them, but it’s not often.
Personally, I find them dull.
By the way, an excellent book came out a few years ago detailing the FLDS and at the same time dovetailing the history of the Mormon church into the FLDS story.
The title of the book is “Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith”. The author is Jon Krakauer.
The account of the Mountain Meadows Massacre is included in the book. It makes clear that the local Mormons were responsible, and tried to use the Pauites as patsys to take the blame.
It’s a great read, and can probably be found in your local library. That’s where I got the copy I read.
The Mountain Meadows Massacre is not something the LDS likes to include in teaching its own history to its flock. In all her time (about thirty years now) with the church, my wife had never heard about it. I was the first to share this story with her while reading Krakauer’s book. She was shocked.
Cry4:
From the Deseret Morning News article in the link:
“We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time,” Elder Eyring said.
“A separate expression of regret is owed the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre,” he said. “Although the extent of their involvement is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local church leaders and members.”
Hmmmm…. “…express profound regret…” “A separate expression of regret is owed the Paiute people…”
If that’s an apology, it certainly is a tempered one. When I apologize (which happens more often than you might think) for something I’ve done wrong, I make it clear. Something like “I’m sorry. I was wrong. I deeply apologize for what I’ve done”.
Merely expressing regret for what happened is often a cover for expressing regret that you got caught, not that you are really sorry for anything you’ve done. Frankly, I think this is more the case in the “apology” from the LDS over the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
It wasn’t an apology. Celebrant Prince is correct.
If you read the thing, it was carefully worded. They regret it happened. They aren’t apologizing really.
This has been a big discussion item among us ex-Mormons. The movie out now, September Dawn, has exposed to naive Mormons an event they never heard about in church.
The church knows with Mitt and the movie, people are going to investigate more about Mormon topics. They had to say something vague so they don’t upset their members by taking full responsibility.
Besides, the Mormon church is very much about business. If they admit blame, they are afraid the descendants of the victims might sue.
Did anyone else find this date from the post as strange as I did?
“Sept. 11,”
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i thought it was creepy when i saw the date.
i hope the election will result in a full airing of mormon belief and history.they have been getting a free pass.the beliefs and history of all the candidates churchs should be put under the microscope.of course they will say we are not perfect just forgiven but maybe some will start to think.
Does anybody else wonder about Mitt’s mormonism and the religious right’s thinking when it comes to his bid for the nomination? I’m never sure who to believe on the question of are mormons actually xians. So will this question keep the RR from supporting Mitt? Looks to me like the RR doesn’t really have any acceptable candidates other than Brownback and Huckabee and right now neither of those two look to have much chance of snagging the nomination. Geez, what’s a good xian to do???
Blood of the Prophets subtitled Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows by Will Bagley is the book you want to read on this subject. The bottom line is the “Mormons” don’t want to admit that the massacre happened because, the mormon prophet told the mormons not to let the emigrants pass through Utah. Which lead to the “local mormon leaders” making plans and killing the emigrants. The mormon prophet knew that the mormons always did what he told them to do, because his words and desires are as the words and desires of their god idea. Their prophet may not have known that the emigrants were already dead before he sent a message to let the emigrants go, but he certainly knew that if the emigrants weren’t dead by then they would be before the message arrived at its destination.
The mormons will do anything to please the cult leaders. If any magic underwear gets into the White House it will be as if the cult leaders were there.
Blood of the Prophets also shows the degree of deception that christians use to fight their battles. Most christians will say and do anything to bring about the destruction that will bring their god idea back to earth. Very few christians would be willing to speak out against the mob that wants the destruction to take place. For, what if they are wrong and their god idea actually wants the destruction to happen, after all that is what their holey book says will happen.
The goal of christianity is destruction, that is one of several BIG problems with christianity.
Mitt may wear what Dave calls “magic underwear”, but how often does Dave wear the “magical jewish cap”, the yamulke???? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The blog smells of hypocrisy once again.”Just thought I’d mention it.”