Comments on: Religion Rape Rap http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap A Blog of Atheist Thought Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:40:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: alatham http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap/comment-page-1#comment-66269 alatham Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-66269 I guess their Magic Underwear doesn't protect them from sexual predators. I guess their Magic Underwear doesn’t protect them from sexual predators.

]]> By: karen http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap/comment-page-1#comment-66270 karen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-66270 Unfortunately for the women, the Magic Underwear deck is stacked against them, just as each deck is stacked against them in all patriarchal religions.<br /> <br /> Good for this woman-and any others involved- for breaking free and testifying against her/their oppressors. I'm sure it will be at great personal cost and risk.<br /> <br /> The HBO drama *Big Love* covers Mormonism pretty well. The last episode just had the prophet being arrested on 7 violations of the Mann Act. In the show, the prophet's son set him up to be arrested in a coup to take over the prophet seat, but maybe that's how real life went too. Unfortunately for the women, the Magic Underwear deck is stacked against them, just as each deck is stacked against them in all patriarchal religions.

Good for this woman-and any others involved- for breaking free and testifying against her/their oppressors. I’m sure it will be at great personal cost and risk.

The HBO drama *Big Love* covers Mormonism pretty well. The last episode just had the prophet being arrested on 7 violations of the Mann Act. In the show, the prophet’s son set him up to be arrested in a coup to take over the prophet seat, but maybe that’s how real life went too.

]]> By: Celebrant Prince http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap/comment-page-1#comment-66271 Celebrant Prince Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-66271 Dave, not to defend the Mormon religion or any of its offshoots, ESPECIALLY Warren Jeffs (he is beneath contempt) but this time your hyperbole is unacceptable. It is not the case that the Mormon Church is "running" Romney for president. Romney is running on his own. Furthermore, the "official" LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City does not accept the FLDS as part of its flock (as I suspect you well know), and in fact renounced polygamy long ago (I feel quite certain you know this also). In the mainstream LDS church arranged/forced marriages are a part of the past. Neither do they allow marriages that involve partners under the age of consent (this age varies from state to state). Romney belongs to the mainstream LDS church. It is inaccurate to imply Romney's religion is the same one as Warren Jeffs' FLDS. On the contrary, it is reasonable to assume Romney does not condone polygamy, let alone the forced marriage of underage girls.<br /> <br /> Dave, you know I'm an atheist, but my wife (of nearly three years now) is a Mormon, and is one splendid person. Her religion is the same as Romney's, so I think I have a fair handle on the Mormon doctrine Romney likely subscribes to. It think it is grossly unfair of you to assert Romney would not be outraged (were he specifically asked about it) over a fourteen-year-old girl being raped (which I fully agree is the case in regards to Warren Jeffs).<br /> <br /> Don't misunderstand me. Mormonism is a wingnut religion, founded by a psychopathic charlatan, Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon is delusional blathering. The Doctrines and Covenents contains a lot of repulsive ideas. The only reason the Mormon church renounced polygamy when it did was to gain statehood for Utah, a cynical excuse indeed.<br /> <br /> But to imply that Romney would approve of Warren Jeffs and the FLDS, or at the very least be ambivalent about it, is rather boneheaded of you, in my opinion. Dave, not to defend the Mormon religion or any of its offshoots, ESPECIALLY Warren Jeffs (he is beneath contempt) but this time your hyperbole is unacceptable. It is not the case that the Mormon Church is “running” Romney for president. Romney is running on his own. Furthermore, the “official” LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City does not accept the FLDS as part of its flock (as I suspect you well know), and in fact renounced polygamy long ago (I feel quite certain you know this also). In the mainstream LDS church arranged/forced marriages are a part of the past. Neither do they allow marriages that involve partners under the age of consent (this age varies from state to state). Romney belongs to the mainstream LDS church. It is inaccurate to imply Romney’s religion is the same one as Warren Jeffs’ FLDS. On the contrary, it is reasonable to assume Romney does not condone polygamy, let alone the forced marriage of underage girls.

Dave, you know I’m an atheist, but my wife (of nearly three years now) is a Mormon, and is one splendid person. Her religion is the same as Romney’s, so I think I have a fair handle on the Mormon doctrine Romney likely subscribes to. It think it is grossly unfair of you to assert Romney would not be outraged (were he specifically asked about it) over a fourteen-year-old girl being raped (which I fully agree is the case in regards to Warren Jeffs).

Don’t misunderstand me. Mormonism is a wingnut religion, founded by a psychopathic charlatan, Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon is delusional blathering. The Doctrines and Covenents contains a lot of repulsive ideas. The only reason the Mormon church renounced polygamy when it did was to gain statehood for Utah, a cynical excuse indeed.

But to imply that Romney would approve of Warren Jeffs and the FLDS, or at the very least be ambivalent about it, is rather boneheaded of you, in my opinion.

]]> By: DD Dropout http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap/comment-page-1#comment-66273 DD Dropout Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-66273 Took the words out of my mouth, Celebrant Prince. Did a better job than I would have, too.<br /> <br /> Dave, you can go after Mitt if you like, for his delusional faith. Or nail Jeffs for his criminal treatment of all those girls and women and the miserable way boys get excommunicated to make the numbers work.<br /> <br /> Just don't make political hay out of it by claiming a direct connection of responsiblity. It would appear that the political point was the end that justified this attack. Tsk.<br /> <br /> Given that all the candidates are religious, at least on the surface, they are all deluded and/or cynical deceivers. Took the words out of my mouth, Celebrant Prince. Did a better job than I would have, too.

Dave, you can go after Mitt if you like, for his delusional faith. Or nail Jeffs for his criminal treatment of all those girls and women and the miserable way boys get excommunicated to make the numbers work.

Just don’t make political hay out of it by claiming a direct connection of responsiblity. It would appear that the political point was the end that justified this attack. Tsk.

Given that all the candidates are religious, at least on the surface, they are all deluded and/or cynical deceivers.

]]> By: DD Dropout http://atheists.org/blog/2007/09/14/religion_rape_rap/comment-page-1#comment-66275 DD Dropout Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-66275 Celebrant Prince, could you satisfy my curiousity about mainstream Mormonism?<br /> <br /> What is their history on this idea that the only way a woman can get to heaven is if her husband decides he wants to have her with him? Does this predate the split with the FLDS?<br /> <br /> Your wife would have to be very brave if she were convinced of such dogma. Celebrant Prince, could you satisfy my curiousity about mainstream Mormonism?

What is their history on this idea that the only way a woman can get to heaven is if her husband decides he wants to have her with him? Does this predate the split with the FLDS?

Your wife would have to be very brave if she were convinced of such dogma.

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