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	<title>Comments on: Preachers Hate Hate Crimes Legislation</title>
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		<title>By: thedoubter</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/08/24/preachers_hate_hate_crimes_legislation/comment-page-1#comment-65122</link>
		<dc:creator>thedoubter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, hate crime laws are just a bad idea. It&#039;s giving the government the power to punish someone for what they were thinking when they committed a crime. It isn&#039;t illegal to be a moron, why should we take steps to make it illegal to be a racist moron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, hate crime laws are just a bad idea. It&#8217;s giving the government the power to punish someone for what they were thinking when they committed a crime. It isn&#8217;t illegal to be a moron, why should we take steps to make it illegal to be a racist moron?</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/08/24/preachers_hate_hate_crimes_legislation/comment-page-1#comment-65127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thedoubter,&lt;br /&gt;
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Just curious, but would you punish someone who killed another person in a drunken bar fight with the same vigor you would punish someone that gathered toghether a gang of men and marched down the street in white cloths and torches and burn a cross in a black man&#039;s yard, before pulling him out of his house and stringing him up in the tree out front?&lt;br /&gt;
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So you honestly beleive those two crimes fit in the same category, deserving the same punishment for the taking of a life?  I&#039;m not saying I support hate crimes legislation, but I have a hard time getting my head around two such disparate actions and saying they are BOTH hate crimes by definition.  I for one would punish the latter much harder than the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thedoubter,</p>
<p>Just curious, but would you punish someone who killed another person in a drunken bar fight with the same vigor you would punish someone that gathered toghether a gang of men and marched down the street in white cloths and torches and burn a cross in a black man&#8217;s yard, before pulling him out of his house and stringing him up in the tree out front?</p>
<p>So you honestly beleive those two crimes fit in the same category, deserving the same punishment for the taking of a life?  I&#8217;m not saying I support hate crimes legislation, but I have a hard time getting my head around two such disparate actions and saying they are BOTH hate crimes by definition.  I for one would punish the latter much harder than the former.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/08/24/preachers_hate_hate_crimes_legislation/comment-page-1#comment-65130</link>
		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with thedoubter.  Ren, no I&#039;d say we&#039;d have 20 men in prison instead of one drunk.  I&#039;m a huge proponent of free speech.  What if the Vatican(supreme) court says the bible is protected and anyone committing blasphemy is guilty of hate speech?  That&#039;s just how I see it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with thedoubter.  Ren, no I&#8217;d say we&#8217;d have 20 men in prison instead of one drunk.  I&#8217;m a huge proponent of free speech.  What if the Vatican(supreme) court says the bible is protected and anyone committing blasphemy is guilty of hate speech?  That&#8217;s just how I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: DVanWechel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/08/24/preachers_hate_hate_crimes_legislation/comment-page-1#comment-65132</link>
		<dc:creator>DVanWechel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thedoubter,&lt;br /&gt;
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The government always tries to factor in the violator&#039;s thinking when determining their crime. I believe they refer to it as motivation. So that is nothing new, and is absolutely necessary to properly determine the extent of a crime, who may have committed the crime, and to convincingly prosecute them.&lt;br /&gt;
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But, like you, I do have somewhat of a problem with hate-crime legislation, and can&#039;t necessarily fault the Preachers for their concerns.&lt;br /&gt;
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One the one hand, I believe that violent crimes, of any kind, are as atrocious as the next. Murder is murder, assault is assault, and prosecuting ? in the case of hate crimes ? based on what the assailant&#039;s beliefs were regarding their victim, seems a dangerous road to go down.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think, as you pointed out, it can certainly lead to the government becoming thought-police.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, hate crimes in this country target very specific groups of people, and by doing so, may need to be prosecuted differently.&lt;br /&gt;
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Either way, the &quot;emotional harm&quot; part of the legislation seems the most dangerous to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thedoubter,</p>
<p>The government always tries to factor in the violator&#8217;s thinking when determining their crime. I believe they refer to it as motivation. So that is nothing new, and is absolutely necessary to properly determine the extent of a crime, who may have committed the crime, and to convincingly prosecute them.</p>
<p>But, like you, I do have somewhat of a problem with hate-crime legislation, and can&#8217;t necessarily fault the Preachers for their concerns.</p>
<p>One the one hand, I believe that violent crimes, of any kind, are as atrocious as the next. Murder is murder, assault is assault, and prosecuting ? in the case of hate crimes ? based on what the assailant&#8217;s beliefs were regarding their victim, seems a dangerous road to go down.</p>
<p>I think, as you pointed out, it can certainly lead to the government becoming thought-police.</p>
<p>On the other hand, hate crimes in this country target very specific groups of people, and by doing so, may need to be prosecuted differently.</p>
<p>Either way, the &#8220;emotional harm&#8221; part of the legislation seems the most dangerous to me.</p>
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		<title>By: DVanWechel</title>
		<link>http://atheists.org/blog/2007/08/24/preachers_hate_hate_crimes_legislation/comment-page-1#comment-65133</link>
		<dc:creator>DVanWechel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh! I need to proof my posts before posting them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh! I need to proof my posts before posting them!</p>
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