CBS 5) BERKELEY A Berkeley watchdog organization that tracks military spending said it uncovered a strange U.S. military proposal to create a hormone bomb that could purportedly turn enemy soldiers into homosexuals and make them more interested in sex than fighting.Pentagon officials on Friday confirmed to CBS 5 that military leaders had considered, and then subsquently rejected, building the so-called “Gay Bomb.”http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_159222541.htmlHey — MAKE LOVE, NOT WARPeter Nuhn
If someone wants to set one of those bombs off in my town of Roanoke, that would be A-OK.
But does this prove that homosexuality is not a choice? I think it’s almost irrefutable proof that homosexuality is hormonal… something that people can’t choose but can potentially be governed by genetics.
I wonder what led them to believe that if solders were sexually attracted to each other it would make them less interested in fighting. Might such feelings make a person a more passionate fighter? After all, I doubt most solders are thinking about God and Country in the heat of battle. More like, “that SOB shot my buddy!!” I know I for one would be more likely to take up arms for a lover than for a flag.
Hints of Plato’s Republic.
Reed:
Wow, another Roanoke person?
If they had a working device that could do this, I’d like to set it off inside Fox “News” studios.
I heard about this on NPR’s “Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me” this saturday. I can only imagine what they brainstorm about at the pentagon. I wonder what would happen to the soldiers that were already gay?
@rainbows:
Exactly. The only way it would work is if you have the enemy fall in love with your troops. And even then you’d have a Bobbit or two, just lying in a jelous wait.
r4d,
“Might such feelings make a person a more passionate fighter?”
Yep. Which is why homosexuality was encouraged among armies in Sparta and Thebes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece
I remember learning that in middle school. I guess the guys at the pentagon just slept through that class.
I think an army of gay people would be even more frightening. There are videos involving cages, chains, and baseball bats covered in Vaseline that should have hinted the military in to this.
One of my friends who read this (but can’t comment as he’s not a member) said this:
Does someone have research that shows hormones can change sexual preference?
I once had a girlfriend who was on a medication that contained a high level of testosterone ? she didn’t turn homosexual.
However, to my benefit, she did exhibit a substantially increased libido. : )
Anyway, I’ve read the hypothesis that hormones during gestation might have an effect on sexual preference, but I’ve never heard one could change one’s sexual preference as an adult simply by taking hormones.
Where did the military find research that suggested otherwise?
Sorta on the same topic:
Did anyone see all the Republicans saying that they would not support homosexuals in the military. Not one of those assholes raised their hands.
I hope a their homes catch on fire and a homosexual fireman pulls them out, only to send them to an ER where another homosexual brings them back from the brink.
I don’t know. If the military is looking for a gay bomb they might consider Anne Heche’s movie “Six Days Seven Nights”.
Homosexuality in men seems to be both genetic and hormonal so a “gay bomb” would be impossible to construct unless you could change DNA and not just hormones so the Pentagon soon abandoned any designs to actually create such an impossible weapon. However the very thought of a “gay bomb” which turns entire populations gay brings a big smile to my face.
Podry
I would encourage the GOP to dig themselves deeper into their extremist holes. Cheer them on and off the cliff.
The US military and intelligence agencies have a long history of woo-woo proposals getting money thrown at them. Just how much real evidence did they have for this?
We’ve seen the reports of goats being mentally attacked by psychic killer soldiers and last I heard they still use polygraph lie detectors against recruits in the FBI.
Sgt Peter Pace just got sacked so the military’s number one homophobe is now out of a job. This is the same arsehole who said in March “I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that [the U.S. military] should not condone immoral acts…I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is okay to be immoral in any way…As an individual, I would not want [acceptance of gay behavior] to be our policy.”
Not exactly on topic, but well related…
http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/potw/51/brokeback-hill
Good for him. Hypocrisy makes me sick, so it?s good he?s exposing it.
alex,
Make that GEN Pace. As in, Four Star General Pace. Having been a Non-Commissioned Officer myself, I resent being lumped in with that piece of shit!
Having said that, if he thinks it is wrong to have soldiers that are immoral in any way, I guess he supports kicking out of the army each and every soldier that has killed an enemy soldier for his country. After all, thou shall not kill, for killing is immoral.
Pace’s firing may be good as far as homophobia in the service goes, but for the war effort, it may be bad news. Pace was against going into Iran, while his intended successor sees this as a “generational” war.
Karen
BushCo would tell you it is not in favor of attacking Iran and then they would do it. It was only 2003 when BushCo said it would go to the UN to seek authorization to use force against Iraq and then oh well BushCo didn’t do that. They didn’t do it because they wouldn’t have gotten the res passed. Every permanent member of the UN said NO!
Comment from: What
No exactly. England supported us…and as for the others…
Made in China
Made in Russia
Made in France
Yeah…I can understand why they didn’t support attacking a paying customer………………sheesh
Wasn’t actually most “made in USA”?
gays have free will so just because they are attracted to same sex doesn’t mean they have to act on those urges.are gay people saying they are unable to exercise self control.if gays say they can exercise self control then aren’t the anti gay laws legit.alex,reed&phreedm jump in i want to hear some feed back.
st.lucifer ask rumsfeld he was saddams pal during the 1980’s.
Placenta,
Then please explain Dick Cheney’s support of military action against Iran.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7119752/
And while you are at it, perhaps you can justify our actions in Iraq, four plus years after all given reasons for invading have gone up in smoke?
What country would Jesus invade? How many civilians would Jesus kill, in order to remove Saddam, because he killed civilians? When are we going to invade Canada to stop all the illegal Mexicans from crossing our southern border?
Why don’t you do us all a favor and go blow the pilot light out on your gas stove, and turn the oven to ‘clean’?
Well even a stopped clock is correct twice a day (12 hour clock). Phreedy made the obvious correction that the UK supported the Iraq invasion but the rest is pure crap. Even wikipedia has it right:
I really enjoy watching the religious fanatics like Phreedy dig themselves in deeper. Russia, China, France and Germany all opposed the proposed second resolution that BushCo said they would seek but then just invaded instead. Your ignorance is deadly you xian fool.
HAhaHAhaHAhaHAhaHAha!!!!!!!!!!!
Besides, even if it were possible, a bonner ain’t exactly top priority when your getting shot at.
DVan,
“Good for him. Hypocrisy makes me sick, so it?s good he?s exposing it.”
You know, it’s only a short skip from exposing politicians to be gay just because you don’t like their policies (which I don’t like either) to exposing politicians to be atheists just because they are for separation of church and state/you don’t like their policies. Yes, what those politicians did was hypocritical, but that doesn’t mean they should be exposed. That does endanger their jobs, current and future.
Why don’t they just make an oyster drop?
OK, wouldn’t it be easier to have bikini clad, fit, attractive 18-39 year olds fighting on the front lines? Or even air drop tons & tons of stroke books?
I think it would be hilarious if someone set off a Gay Bomb in Fred Phelp’s church one Sunday morning. There’d be plenty of praising the Lard going on, as in “Oh God, Oh God, Oh God!”
EAC,
I support totally the work of Mike Rogers in outing gay politicians who campaign against gay rights. They deserve absolutely no mercy. He has never outed a closeted politician who is supportive of gay rights which I think would be wrong. Bravo to him for ratting out these harmful people.
It really is too bad that we don’t have a gay bomb because Texas would make a hell of a target! Can you imagine all those redneck bible beating cowboys getting all hot for each other?
EAC:
First, he isn?t outing all gay politicians, just individuals that support limiting homosexual?s rights. If he was just outing politicians that happened to be gay, I would have a BIG problem with that. Also, his exposing of gay politicians is less because he doesn’t like their policies, as you suggest, than it is because they are creating laws that discriminate against homosexuals while they themselves are homosexuals ? there’s a BIG difference in motivation there.
Also, I WOULD support exposing atheist politicians if they were creating laws that forced government sponsored religion on Americans. Wouldn’t you?
The issue here isn?t about exposing sexual preference for political gain, it?s about exposing hypocrisy in politics. A hypocrisy that affects the lives of millions of gay Americans. Although these politicians are not doing anything illegal, their hypocrisy is unethical. As such, I believe they should loose their jobs. They are the worst kind of politician and not of the sort I would wish to remain in office ? remember WE hire them. If they loose their jobs, it?s because we decided so.
Exactly! Imagine fighting an army of lovers… Bad enough to see your buddy die, how zealous would a soldier get if his/her loved one died next to them in combat?
I admit, it would be a funny weapon though.
alex and DVan,
I agree that these politicians are hypocrites, but then again, pretty much every politician is. I just don’t think that outing them as gay is really going to solve the issue. It might even encourage homophobia. There are better ways to work against asshole politicians than telling everyone they?re gay.
@”reason”
Do you read your own lines and wonder how stupid they sound?
Hm, how about:
straights have free will so just because they are attracted to the other sex doesn’t mean they have to act on those urges.
Assuming you meant “can’t exercise”:
Are you familiar with the term “consenting”? Why should two consenting adults have to “control” themselves, lest they be thrown in jail? Morality? Then how about extending those laws to include premarital sex and adultery? Aren’t those too morally unacceptable?
well i see i failed to get a response out of the libertarians.
on a serious note anybody know what the price tag is for the 14 permament bases we are building in iraq ? bush says its going to be like korea except for the beheadings.
st.lucifer adultery and fornication is a crime in many places.there are laws still on the books even in united states. my question may sound stupid to you but there are alot of people in this country who think someone like alex or reed should be miserable.i am not one of those people but i am curious as to how libertarians make there case.i would not base it on civil rights but on the inability to enforce such laws.
Case about what? About allowing sexual freedom and taking down restrictive laws?
Ok, how about this: “it is a pleasurable, consenting activity that hurts noone”. You know…. like preaching.
Maybie a very pleasurable, stimulating, relaxing, and sexually liberating pill could be slipped up a certain bushie we all know. As far as gay bombs go I hope someone has a love potient for Hamas/Fatah palestinians.
They told us this at bootcamp.
Like 2 years ago, along with a few other weird chemicals that they tried to make.
Old news.
Now I can forget that nightmare about all the countries of the world gay bombing each other.